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Post by 973beachbum on Sept 2, 2012 14:12:23 GMT -5
You said you assumed when someone said leave that it meant paid. Then you gave an example of states that have state disability. I'm probably losing something over the internet, but that is how it came across to me. Sorry if that was not your intention. I think I'm missing the point of the first part. The second part - I have no sick leave. Everything (21 days including 6 holidays that the office is closed) is just PTO and it is use it or lose it for a calender entire year. DS was born in January and this baby is due New Years Eve. I don't really know if there are that many companies out there like this or not. I think it is 100% standard for the a small consulting engineering firm even on the side of generous. It is certainly better than the place I started my career at where I all I got was 2 weeks vacation after the first year (so I had nothing that first year). My entire beef is assuming leave is paid for. If you are talking in the united states, odds are that it isn't (obviously it is in every other developed country around the world, but that is another story). I'm not even sure what percentage have STD policies, but I would guess less than 50%. I said everyone I had known or worked with. I have never heard of people not getting sick leave before. I have heard of the total package for PTO so that people who aren't sick often aren't penealized but even they had some way to deal with a person who has a heart attack or is in a car accident and can't work because of an illness for more than a day or two. How does your company treat time off because of a heart attack or broken bone? Is that any different from how it treats being out because of pregnancy? Just to add I am not saying a person should necessarily get 3-6 months off to take care of a new baby just that the law requires pregnancy be treated the same as any other illness. So the 2-4 weeks before that a woman might not be able to work and the 3-8, depending on the medical complications, after would be treated exactly the same as if she had had a heart attack.
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Post by muttleynfelix on Sept 2, 2012 15:35:07 GMT -5
Beachbum - my company has 6 people and has only been around for 7 years. My maternity leave is the only time we've had someone on leave. If someone else needed leave for medical problems, they would have the option of taking any PTO they had or take the time off unpaid. I could ask my boss to roll my bonus for this year into additional PTO for next year and he might do it, but I don't see the point. The company I started my career with had a couple employees with medical problems. They could take time off without pay and they were bitched at endlessly for doing so. Not every company has a clear cut medical leave policy or even has situations where one comes up. In 20+ years, my dad never had an employee have health problem, only had one female employee and she was past child bearing years. He did give one employee leave to spend 6 weeks in court appointed rehab.
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Post by 973beachbum on Sept 2, 2012 16:31:14 GMT -5
Beachbum - my company has 6 people and has only been around for 7 years. My maternity leave is the only time we've had someone on leave. If someone else needed leave for medical problems, they would have the option of taking any PTO they had or take the time off unpaid. I could ask my boss to roll my bonus for this year into additional PTO for next year and he might do it, but I don't see the point. The company I started my career with had a couple employees with medical problems. They could take time off without pay and they were bitched at endlessly for doing so. Not every company has a clear cut medical leave policy or even has situations where one comes up. In 20+ years, my dad never had an employee have health problem, only had one female employee and she was past child bearing years. He did give one employee leave to spend 6 weeks in court appointed rehab. I understand how with really small companies that would be tough and infrequent. I mostly worked for large to mid size companies but one was what I consider small although not 7 people. ;D DH works for a small engineering company with 12 employees and one is out right now with a knee problem and another with pneumonia or something. That is probably why it is so nice with the state STD being rolled into the UI. I forget how lucky we are to have that. We do pay part of that from our paychecks unlike other states but it solves a lot of issues when someone does get sick. I know it might never happen to us so we want to just block it out but statistically it does happen a lot to people. It is a shame IMO that there is so little of a safety net for people who work in this country.
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Post by tcu2003 on Sept 2, 2012 21:30:12 GMT -5
Where I work, health problems like heart attack or something like that are treated the same as maternity leave. If you have short term disability, that will kick in after 2 weeks. I think after 12 weeks, then long term disability kicks in (that one isn't applicable to regular maternity leave). If you didn't have short term disability, then your only option to get paid would be to use any available sick time or PTO.
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Post by emma1420 on Sept 3, 2012 20:28:20 GMT -5
I work for a company doesn't fall under the FLMA rules as there are fewer than 50 employees.
My company provides 6 weeks of maternity leave at 100%, and 2 weeks of paternity leave at 100%. Women are permitted to take another 4 weeks of leave (in addition to the 6 weeks) providing they have the PTO. The second parent are permitted to take another 2 weeks of leave providing they have the PTO.
This is different than if someone, for example, has a stroke. Employees in those situations are required to use all available PTO, and then any banked sick time (any unused PTO gets banked in a long term sick time bank), and then they have to take unpaid leave. My employer doesn't offer either short or long term disability leave. So people having children have better defined and more generous leave policies than someone who has a long term illness.
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Post by morrisr2d2 on Sept 3, 2012 21:16:49 GMT -5
Generally speaking, I find blue collar guys remain more chauvinistic aholes than white collar. At least outwardly.
Wonder what they would say to the husband of Yahoo's CEO if he stayed home with the baby!
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Post by thyme4change on Sept 3, 2012 21:33:23 GMT -5
Yes. In my company - whic isn't small, if you have to take time off for any medical condition, you first use your sick days, and then use your vacation time, and then it goes to unpaid leave. We do have a short-term disability policy - but I can't remember the details right now, because I have never used it at this company. At my previous company - the payout was the same for maternity as it was for any other medical condition. So, yes, pregnancy, heart attack, cancer - all the same leave policy, all the same paycheck.
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Post by TD2K on Sept 3, 2012 21:57:00 GMT -5
We don't have separate sick time, the company rolls vacation time and sick time into the same bank of time to use. A much better deal for me as I almost never used any of my sick time. While I get a few days less per year added to my vacation time than under the old vacation time plus sick time, I get quite a bit more time I actually use.
We have a company paid long term disability but you have to buy your short term disability. If you are off for an extended period of time, you use up your PTO and then are on your own until long term disability kicks in, can't remember the waiting period for that.
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Post by Firebird on Sept 4, 2012 13:04:34 GMT -5
DH is only taking a few days off initially when the baby comes (hoping she comes over a weekend so we've got at least 4-5 days uninterrupted as a family). He could take as much as a week, but we've decided to space it out a bit. What we're going to try to do is have him either working from home or taking PTO as he accrues it. He doesn't qualify for state funded paternity leave until April (his one year anniversary with the company) and his company doesn't offer anything beyond the normal PTO accrual.
Not the most ideal situation but on the other hand, he's working so much closer to home that we're going to see him a lot more than we would if he were still working in the city. So I'm basically counting my blessings that he'll be close by, even if he can't be home with us as much as he'd like during my leave.
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Post by thyme4change on Sept 4, 2012 13:16:27 GMT -5
After the initial shock of having a baby in the house - I found the baby stage quite boring. We sat around and watched a lot of TV.
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Post by 8 Bit WWBG on Sept 4, 2012 13:26:58 GMT -5
...:::"He doesn't qualify for state funded paternity leave until April (his one year anniversary with the company) and his company doesn't offer anything beyond the normal PTO accrual.":::...
You mean you procreated without already being eligible! Sheesh, next you are going to tell me you don't have two college tuitions in cash. For shame, Miss Firebird.
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Post by swamp on Sept 4, 2012 13:28:38 GMT -5
After the initial shock of having a baby in the house - I found the baby stage quite boring. We sat around and watched a lot of TV.
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Post by muttleynfelix on Sept 4, 2012 13:34:39 GMT -5
After the initial shock of having a baby in the house - I found the baby stage quite boring. We sat around and watched a lot of TV. Lord I wish this had been the case in our house. It is part of the reason I am scared shitless of #2 and I wish I could just fastforward to having an a 1 year old. DS was a terrible awful sleeper. He would be up basically all day long from the time he was born until he was about 3 months old. He would be up for 4 hour stretches in the middle of the night. The days literally would just melt into each other and DH and I had no idea what way was up. Even after I went back to it work it was bad. DH would throw the baby at me the minute I walked in the door and say he was leaving and would be back later. Now we get to do it all over again only this time with a 3 year old in the house.
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Post by swamp on Sept 4, 2012 13:35:46 GMT -5
After the initial shock of having a baby in the house - I found the baby stage quite boring. We sat around and watched a lot of TV. Lord I wish this had been the case in our house. It is part of the reason I am scared shitless of #2 and I wish I could just fastforward to having an a 1 year old. DS was a terrible awful sleeper. He would be up basically all day long from the time he was born until he was about 3 months old. He would be up for 4 hour stretches in the middle of the night. The days literally would just melt into each other and DH and I had no idea what way was up. Even after I went back to it work it was bad. DH would throw the baby at me the minute I walked in the door and say he was leaving and would be back later. Now we get to do it all over again only this time with a 3 year old in the house. You can't get 2 like that. It just wouldn't be fair. My first slept all the time so maternity leave was boring. My second was more like your first.
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Post by muttleynfelix on Sept 4, 2012 13:41:42 GMT -5
I don't think babies care too much about fair. I'm hoping that having to have some sort of schedule for DS will help force a schedule on DD. I was under the impression that newborns just fall asleep when they are tired. Yeah, not DS. It was a really fun first night in the hospital when DH took a sleeping pill and I was walking DS around because he wouldn't nurse and the nurses told me that I could only take him outside of my room in the bassinet! It went downhill from there. But he's an awesome 2.5 year old. A super sweet kid. So if my options are a baby that doesn't sleep and then a sweet toddler or a sweet baby and PITA toddler, I'll take the first option. (Like I get a choice). ;D
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Post by wvugurl26 on Sept 4, 2012 13:47:05 GMT -5
I know one of my coworkers took 3 weeks off when his DS was born. He then came back part time for a week or two. We have to use our sick leave and then vacation. No paid maternity leave and no employer sponsored short term disability policy either.
I had a coworker in Philly try to find one that covered pregnancy. She couldn't find one that covered it if you worked for the feds for a reasonable rate. It was better for her to just have unpaid leave.
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Post by Firebird on Sept 4, 2012 14:26:32 GMT -5
Finally read the whole thread - the U.S. just really sucks when it comes to this stuff. Some countries offer fully paid maternity AND paternity leave. My company just introduced a new benefit - 4 weeks paid maternity leave / 2 weeks paid paternity leave for anyone having a baby or adopting/fostering a child. I thought it was fantastic of them. For most women, disability covers most or all of their leave IF they are giving birth! But for fathers and adoptive parents, they're stuck with alternative options. I don't see why anyone should really care about how someone else uses their vacation time DH's work is encouraging him to take MORE time off but like I said, we've decided we want to stagger it a bit.
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Post by Firebird on Sept 4, 2012 14:31:28 GMT -5
...:::"He doesn't qualify for state funded paternity leave until April (his one year anniversary with the company) and his company doesn't offer anything beyond the normal PTO accrual.":::... You mean you procreated without already being eligible! Sheesh, next you are going to tell me you don't have two college tuitions in cash. For shame, Miss Firebird. Hey, that's Mrs. Firebird to you, buddy! At least I'm not an unwed mother on welfare (though I did have to take my rings off last weekend so I probably look like an unwed mother - time to bust out the Coach purse and really complete the image ). Actually, I think his leave not kicking in until April will work in our favor. If he can possibly manage to get a transfer around that time, he could use his paternity leave for the move and not even touch his PTO. That would be sweet.
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Post by michelyn8 on Sept 5, 2012 10:07:04 GMT -5
Co-worker's SIL took time off to be at home with their second child. He also used that leave for recovery from a vasectomy.
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Post by thyme4change on Sept 5, 2012 10:08:38 GMT -5
Yup - we should use tax dollars to have the government to pay people to have children and not go to work. That would be awesome.
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Post by swamp on Sept 5, 2012 10:09:29 GMT -5
Yup - we should use tax dollars to have the government to pay people to have children and not go to work. That would be awesome. Correct me if I'm wring, but I think we talk about that issue quite freqently on YM.....
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Post by Firebird on Sept 5, 2012 10:11:19 GMT -5
Yup - we should use tax dollars to have the government to pay people to have children and not go to work. That would be awesome. Yup, it would be awesome
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Post by Taxman10 on Sept 5, 2012 10:37:27 GMT -5
Yup - we should use tax dollars to have the government to pay people to have children and not go to work. That would be awesome. i thought the govt wasn't supposed to subsidizes people for having kids? Remember we're getting rid of all the deductions and credits when we re-write the tax code??
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Post by thyme4change on Sept 5, 2012 10:47:38 GMT -5
Maybe we should only subsidize the rich people for maternity leave - since they are (a) more likely to support their own children after birth and (b) more likely to create future tax payers. Whereas the poor people should be punished since they are (a) more likely to need additional government assistance later and (b) more likely to create future welfare queens and criminals.
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Post by Taxman10 on Sept 5, 2012 10:57:16 GMT -5
Maybe we should only subsidize the rich people for maternity leave - since they are (a) more likely to support their own children after birth and (b) more likely to create future tax payers. Whereas the poor people should be punished since they are (a) more likely to need additional government assistance later and (b) more likely to create future welfare queens and criminals. Maybe the govt should write a check to everyone whos has a baby. Like $1,000,000. B/c that's what it costs to raise a baby nowadays. So when you check out of the hospital, the nurses make sure your carseat is safe, then give you your $1 million and you're on your way.
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Post by Firebird on Sept 5, 2012 10:58:17 GMT -5
So when you check out of the hospital, the nurses make sure your carseat is safe, then give you your $1 million and you're on your way. Whoa... did Taxman just have a good idea?
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Post by Taxman10 on Sept 6, 2012 9:24:42 GMT -5
So when you check out of the hospital, the nurses make sure your carseat is safe, then give you your $1 million and you're on your way. Whoa... did Taxman just have a good idea? I've got a lot of good ideas for you.
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Post by thyme4change on Sept 6, 2012 12:10:35 GMT -5
If they did that, I'd be Michelle-frickin-Duggar.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2012 12:13:07 GMT -5
How do you feel about it? My job (at least the policy) doesn't have an issue with it, but the associates/workers don't care much for it. One associate called to say his girlfriend had the baby and he was taking 1 week off; girlfriend will take 6-8 weeks off (they both work for us, different department). All the guys/co-workers started saying the following: - I was at work the next day after my kid was born - what is wrong with him? It's not his first (but hers) - please, I couldn't wait to get back to work - she got him whipped - is he the one that had the baby? So yeah, company allows for it bit it seems the guys will give you a hard time. The girls on the other hand though it was cute. We did send them flowers (already had a baby shower for we at the store). Usually paternity and maternity time don't coincide but run consecutively. This is the first time I have heard of this. The company should change the rules as I am sure they did no forsee this.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2012 12:16:53 GMT -5
Maybe we should only subsidize the rich people for maternity leave - since they are (a) more likely to support their own children after birth and (b) more likely to create future tax payers. Whereas the poor people should be punished since they are (a) more likely to need additional government assistance later and (b) more likely to create future welfare queens and criminals. In Canada the way maternity leave works is that you actually have to have worked a length of time to qualify for it this includes between babies. Currently maternity/paternity leave in can be split between partners and is for one year. I can't imagine going back to work after having a baby in just a few weeks, that breaks my heart to think how many women have to do that.
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