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Post by Virgil Showlion on Aug 13, 2012 21:13:43 GMT -5
Suit: Woman Denied Rental Discount Because She's StraightIn July, Lynn Evenchik paid more than $300 for a weeklong car rental at Avis. In a just-filed federal class-action lawsuit, Evenchik's lawyers contend she was denied discounts of up to 20 percent that Avis "made available to gay and lesbian renters" through two different groups: a gay business association and a gay travel group. ... www.10news.com/news/30202074/detail.htmlReally, Avis. Partnering with a travel agency and offering discounts to certain customers? Haven't you heard about equality™? What is the world coming to? At least all is well now that Lynn "Sue Happy" Evenchik has restored equality™. Really, we couldn't have gone a whole year without some sue-happy idiot suing over a targeted promotion, could we have? Gays should by no means get discounts. On anything. Ever. Seems like a pretty darn stupid policy to me, but who am I to question equality™.
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Post by weltschmerz on Aug 13, 2012 21:18:20 GMT -5
Wow! What a malcontent......
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2012 21:20:07 GMT -5
Sigh. Hopefully she'll find solace in getting to be on TV.
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Post by BeenThere...DoneThat... on Aug 13, 2012 21:22:18 GMT -5
...I'd like to know why she didn't just join the associations and get the member's discount... duh...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2012 21:25:40 GMT -5
Virgil, I am willing to have gayness with you so you can get the discount. Just this once, though. I don't want you to get hooked.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Aug 13, 2012 21:26:37 GMT -5
Wow! What a malcontent...... Want to bet a billion karma a certain poster who purports to value equality™ doesn't really value it in this case? I'm being serious with my "this lawsuit is idiotic" assessment in the OP, Archie. If Avis wants to give discounts to some gay travel agency, no sue-happy straight customer should get ten seconds of court time. Go to some other rental car place if it bothers them. And if Joe Park-Owner wants to give discounts to church groups, more power to him.
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Post by mmhmm on Aug 13, 2012 21:29:46 GMT -5
After reading the article, Virgil, it looks like it's not gays, specifically, who are being given the discount. The discount is being given to members of two organizations, both of which claim anyone can join (gay or straight). Nothing unequal about that. If she wanted the discount, she could have joined one of the organizations to whose members the discounts were being given. Since she's a travel agency owner herself, I'd think she could have checked into that facet quite easily.
If Avis had been giving discounts to anyone who was gay rather than members of the business association and the travel group (which anybody could join), I'd agree that's completely wrong.
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Post by BeenThere...DoneThat... on Aug 13, 2012 21:29:55 GMT -5
Wow! What a malcontent...... Want to bet a billion karma a certain poster who purports to value equality™ doesn't really value it in this case? ...wow... you can upload a billion karma points? ...and I'm also curious... why trademark the word equality? ...though I'm probably just missing an inside joke... wouldn't be a first time...
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Post by Tennesseer on Aug 13, 2012 21:31:57 GMT -5
I get interline discounts. Sue me.
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Post by Tennesseer on Aug 13, 2012 21:32:55 GMT -5
Wow! What a malcontent...... Want to bet a billion karma a certain poster who purports to value equality™ doesn't really value it in this case? Me Virgil? Just say it.
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Post by Tennesseer on Aug 13, 2012 21:33:46 GMT -5
I also get AARP discounts Virgil. ;D
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Post by weltschmerz on Aug 13, 2012 21:36:03 GMT -5
Wow! What a malcontent...... Want to bet a billion karma a certain poster who purports to value equality™ doesn't really value it in this case? I'm being serious with my "this lawsuit is idiotic" assessment in the OP, Archie. If Avis wants to give discounts to some gay travel agency, no sue-happy straight customer should get ten seconds of court time. Go to some other rental car place if it bothers them. And if Joe Park-Owner wants to give discounts to church groups, more power to him. Understood.The "malcontents" only apply to non-church members who want to sue water parks. Certainly not in this case.
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Post by Tennesseer on Aug 13, 2012 21:37:31 GMT -5
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Aug 13, 2012 21:44:10 GMT -5
Want to bet a billion karma a certain poster who purports to value equality™ doesn't really value it in this case? Me Virgil? Just say it. Of course you. Unless you're here to claim that gays should under no circumstances be given discounts by any business that sees fit to do so. This woman could very well be a malcontent. Admittedly, we don't have her on record saying she filed the suit because Avis hurt her feelings (as is the case with the retired engineer in the Water Park thread), thus can only guess. But yes, it is a possibility. It's not genuine equality. Its an engine—an industry, if you will—that purports to value equality but places no value whatsoever in it. Think of it like "Good n' Wholesome Toxobenzoarsenic Chemicals Inc.". Blatantly Orwellian in construction. More of a buzzword and a happy trademark than an actual ideal. Hence the ™.
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Post by Tennesseer on Aug 13, 2012 21:50:41 GMT -5
This woman had so many other ways of getting a discount Virgil. I have already pointed out two (MasterCard and AARP) if she qualified.
Travel agents get breaks/commissions for steering customers to airlines and rental car agencies all the time. Maybe she should learn the perks of her trade.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Aug 13, 2012 21:51:10 GMT -5
After reading the article, Virgil, it looks like it's not gays, specifically, who are being given the discount. The discount is being given to members of two organizations, both of which claim anyone can join (gay or straight). Nothing unequal about that. If she wanted the discount, she could have joined one of the organizations to whose members the discounts were being given. Since she's a travel agency owner herself, I'd think she could have checked into that facet quite easily. If Avis had been giving discounts to anyone who was gay rather than members of the business association and the travel group (which anybody could join), I'd agree that's completely wrong. And if I applied to become a member of the gay travel agency, and they denied me membership on the grounds that I'm straight and actively denounce homosexuality, you'd be championing my rights? Or if the Water Park sent a bunch of $5 off coupons to every church in town, or put a 'splash club' sign-up sheet in each church in town and offered $5 discounts to 'splash club' members, you honestly think the "Freedom from Religion" foundation wouldn't blow a gasket and try to sue them back into the Stone Age? Fine. She's clueless about discounts. Do you or do you not believe that Avis should have a right to offer discounts to any organization whose membership is exclusively gay?
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Post by BeenThere...DoneThat... on Aug 13, 2012 21:53:19 GMT -5
<<< It's not genuine equality. Its an engine—an industry, if you will—that purports to value equality but places no value whatsoever in it. Think of it like "Good n' Wholesome Toxobenzoarsenic Chemicals Inc.". Blatantly Orwellian in construction. More of a buzzword and a happy trademark than an actual ideal. Hence the ™. >>> ...got it... thanks...
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Post by Tennesseer on Aug 13, 2012 21:56:22 GMT -5
After reading the article, Virgil, it looks like it's not gays, specifically, who are being given the discount. The discount is being given to members of two organizations, both of which claim anyone can join (gay or straight). Nothing unequal about that. If she wanted the discount, she could have joined one of the organizations to whose members the discounts were being given. Since she's a travel agency owner herself, I'd think she could have checked into that facet quite easily. If Avis had been giving discounts to anyone who was gay rather than members of the business association and the travel group (which anybody could join), I'd agree that's completely wrong. And if I applied to become a member of the gay travel agency, and they denied me membership on the grounds that I'm straight and actively denounce homosexuality, you'd be championing my rights? Or if the Water Park sent a bunch of $5 off coupons to every church in town, or put a 'splash club' sign-up sheet in each church in town and offered $5 discounts to 'splash club' members, you honestly think the "Freedom from Religion" foundation wouldn't blow a gasket and try to sue them back into the Stone Age? Fine. She's clueless about discounts. Do you or do you not believe that Avis should have a right to offer discounts to any organization whose membership is exclusively gay? Sure-why not. I also believe Avis should be able to offer discounts to people with a MasterCard and who are over 50-years old and belong to AARP. Inform yourself Virgil about discounts in the travel industry.
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Post by Tennesseer on Aug 13, 2012 21:57:28 GMT -5
Google this Virgil: travel industry discounts
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Aug 13, 2012 22:18:13 GMT -5
Vis a vis Avis's discounts:
Vis a vis Water Parks being forced to revoke their discounts to church groups:
Ergo, by a lack of double-standard, revoking Avis' discounts is creating "equal treatment across the board".
You are clearly opposed to revoking Avis' discounts. Ergo, you place the autonomous right of a business to offer discounts to select groups above "equal treatment across the board". Ergo you believe the Water Park should have the right to offer discounts to church groups.
Is this an accurate assessment?
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Post by chiver78 on Aug 13, 2012 22:25:36 GMT -5
After reading the article, Virgil, it looks like it's not gays, specifically, who are being given the discount. The discount is being given to members of two organizations, both of which claim anyone can join (gay or straight). Nothing unequal about that. If she wanted the discount, she could have joined one of the organizations to whose members the discounts were being given. Since she's a travel agency owner herself, I'd think she could have checked into that facet quite easily. If Avis had been giving discounts to anyone who was gay rather than members of the business association and the travel group (which anybody could join), I'd agree that's completely wrong. And if I applied to become a member of the gay travel agency, and they denied me membership on the grounds that I'm straight and actively denounce homosexuality, you'd be championing my rights? Or if the Water Park sent a bunch of $5 off coupons to every church in town, or put a 'splash club' sign-up sheet in each church in town and offered $5 discounts to 'splash club' members, you honestly think the "Freedom from Religion" foundation wouldn't blow a gasket and try to sue them back into the Stone Age? Fine. She's clueless about discounts. Do you or do you not believe that Avis should have a right to offer discounts to any organization whose membership is exclusively gay? two things - first, if the woman was a "member" of an organization while actively working to undermine the civil rights of the group, I'd have no problem saying this woman wasn't really a member of the organization. substitute your organization of choice here. second, Avis has a right to offer discounts to whatever groups they choose. it seems that a customer chose to raise an objection to not being able to take advantage of a group discount available to a group that she wasn't a member of. I don't find Avis' choice to decline the offer objectionable. substitute your group of choice here.
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Post by Tennesseer on Aug 13, 2012 22:27:29 GMT -5
Vis a vis Avis's discounts: Vis a vis Water Parks being forced to revoke their discounts to church groups: Ergo, by a lack of double-standard, revoking Avis' discounts is creating "equal treatment across the board". You are clearly opposed to revoking Avis' discounts. Ergo, you place the autonomous right of a business to offer discounts to select groups above "equal treatment across the board". Ergo you believe the Water Park should have the right to offer discounts to church groups. Is this an accurate assessment? Ergo Virgil-the lady should have used her travel agent discount. Ergo-the woman is not too bright.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Aug 13, 2012 22:35:38 GMT -5
I am offering a $5 discount to each and every member of church x, church y, church z for admission to my water park. This is my group of choice.
So for the record: I should have the right to do this in your eyes?
Ergo you're dodging the question. Ergo we have yet another public record of what equality™ is (or more appropriately, isn't) all about.
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Post by chiver78 on Aug 13, 2012 22:45:03 GMT -5
I am offering a $5 discount to each and every member of church x, church y, church z for admission to my water park. This is my group of choice. So for the record: I should have the right to do this in your eyes? If Avis is okay with whatever membership rules the group has, who am I to judge? This is akin to Chick-fil-A and their political statement donations, IMHO. If one doesn't like how a company does business, there are plenty other options available in most cases. personally, I choose to spend my money at the businesses of competitors to a few widely known corporations, for a variety of reasons. That's my prerogative as it's the prerogative of any consumer to do business with companies that conduct themselves in a manner to the consumers liking. FWIW, I thought the McDonald's lawsuit from that woman who spilled coffee on herself was rather stupid and over the top. (I'd be willing to bet that surprises you...) I put this lawsuit, and myriad others, into the same category. sent from my electronic distraction
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Post by Tennesseer on Aug 13, 2012 22:45:51 GMT -5
I will say Virgil this woman's case against Avis is an excellent example why gay marriage should be legal. Why should only straight folks get the benefits through marriage. Equality for all right?
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Post by BeenThere...DoneThat... on Aug 13, 2012 22:55:32 GMT -5
I will say Virgil this woman's case against Avis is an excellent example why gay marriage should be legal. Why should only straight folks get the benefits through marriage. Equality for all right? ...fwiw... I'd be fine if the state got out of the marriage benefits business altogether...
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Post by Don Perignon on Aug 13, 2012 23:03:50 GMT -5
Tthe very idea... that perquisites attenuate to "being Christian" have been withdrawn at a two-bit podunk swimming hole (literally) in Upper Frybread Arkansas... See: www.notmsnmoney.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=politics&thread=25449&page=1#1199515 it has whipped the martyrs into a frenzy. Got 'em up on their gay-hatin' soapboxes and everything. Why, they even created a second special thread regarding the topic. Oh, well... any excuse to castigate one's "inferiors", y'know... Ain't nuthin' as fun as scourgin' sinners. ;D
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Post by handyman2 on Aug 13, 2012 23:19:42 GMT -5
Not sure the lady has any basis for any lawsuit. Discounts are given in a variety of forms for a hundred different reasons. Seems a stretch to me. If I join the Avis exclusive rent club and get a discount that others who rent occasionally do not get is that discrimination? I would not think so. Things get crazier all the time.
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Post by BeenThere...DoneThat... on Aug 13, 2012 23:28:22 GMT -5
...wow, don... just wow...
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Post by Don Perignon on Aug 13, 2012 23:31:54 GMT -5
How would the public feel to discover that some major auto-rental agency supplies Muslims with cars at half of the price they charge "infidels"... ? Would there be protestations?
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