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Post by chiver78 on Aug 7, 2012 11:48:20 GMT -5
No, I think what she was saying was if a specific mod becomes involved in the current debate/discussion/disagreement, then they should no longer also be able to moderate that particular thread because they are no longer impartial. They should ask one of the other moderators to moderate that specific thread and they then become a "regular poster" for that discussion. I can say that I do try to do this. if I'm involved in a heated discussion, I will ask someone else to handle moderating if the thread needs it. that said, I've also been accused (recently, too) of insulting a poster because I'd told them I found their opinion offensive and that no action was taken because I'm a moderator and that was uneven application of the rules. I hadn't tagged as a moderator, it wasn't an issue of their comment being against CoC, I just thought it was offensive. sometimes we just can't win.
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Post by mmhmm on Aug 7, 2012 11:48:41 GMT -5
Okay, folks. I've lookied through the thread. There was nothing there that required moderation, except one post that quoted a post Moonbeam had deleted. Moonbeam has given permission for the thread to be reinstated. At this point, it will probably be locked until we get the go-ahead from her to unlock it for continued posting.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2012 11:48:57 GMT -5
The ones, like me, that found you reasonable were not commenting. Seriously people, how hard is it to follow the code of conduct, which btw, includes some stuff that could get proboards to shut us down completely. And the stuff FB is talking about is amoung those. Maybe you should point us to some examples. I certainly don't read everything here but I haven't seen much that really pushes the PG13 boundaries recently. And if Beer & MU's exchange on "her" thread yesterday is what she's calling explicit then I find her definition of explicit a bit off. I can't anymore, the mods deleted it. Basically though, explicit comments are not just against the code of conduct but against proboards terms of service, which is why the mods are so quick to remove them. They are trying to keep us from being shut down.
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Post by milee on Aug 7, 2012 11:49:16 GMT -5
I vote to ban milee or promote to mod. One or the other. Ban me. I don't want to be a mod.
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Post by milee on Aug 7, 2012 11:51:08 GMT -5
Okay, folks. I've lookied through the thread. There was nothing there that required moderation, except one post that quoted a post Moonbeam had deleted. Moonbeam has given permission for the thread to be reinstated. At this point, it will probably be locked until we get the go-ahead from her to unlock it for continued posting. Thanks, mmhmm. I appreciate you taking the time to do that.
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Post by swamp on Aug 7, 2012 11:51:08 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2012 11:52:10 GMT -5
Yes, one of my posts ate yours.
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Post by swamp on Aug 7, 2012 11:52:30 GMT -5
Okay, folks. I've lookied through the thread. There was nothing there that required moderation, except one post that quoted a post Moonbeam had deleted. Moonbeam has given permission for the thread to be reinstated. At this point, it will probably be locked until we get the go-ahead from her to unlock it for continued posting. thank you.
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Post by thyme4change on Aug 7, 2012 11:53:34 GMT -5
102) People who eat other people's posts
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Post by Chocolate Lover on Aug 7, 2012 11:53:37 GMT -5
Maybe you should point us to some examples. I certainly don't read everything here but I haven't seen much that really pushes the PG13 boundaries recently. And if Beer & MU's exchange on "her" thread yesterday is what she's calling explicit then I find her definition of explicit a bit off. I can't anymore, the mods deleted it. Basically though, explicit comments are not just against the code of conduct but against proboards terms of service, which is why the mods are so quick to remove them. They are trying to keep us from being shut down. I didn't say I didn't understand why things are deleted or even what PG13 is (even if I don't agree with PB's version, I get it) I asked where all this explicit stuff she's telling us about is happening. I'm not seeing it and I do read most of the top threads here and at EE. That leads me to wonder if her definition of "explicit" is even more restrictive than PB's.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2012 11:54:27 GMT -5
102) People who eat other people's posts LOL!
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Post by Firebird on Aug 7, 2012 11:58:34 GMT -5
And if Beer & MU's exchange on "her" thread yesterday is what she's calling explicit then I find her definition of explicit a bit off.
How convenient that you point to that one as an example of how "off" my definition of explicit is when one of the participants has been banned and their responses wiped off the board.
This is my last word on the subject, seriously. Any further speculations about why I don't like to read the explicit sexual garbage, I'm referring back to this post. I'm not going to continue defending myself on this in perpetuity.
1. I do not report posts that annoy me personally, or ones I disagree with, or even the ones that could be construed as personal attacks. I only report posts that are clear violations of the part of the CoC that says we're not allowed to post "libelous, defamatory, abusive, or threatening, excessively violent, harassing, obscene, lewd, lascivious, filthy, or pornographic" and usually only after the poster in question has managed to completely derail a thread. The "ignore" button only works when people don't quote a disgusting post 50 times.
2. In more than six years on these boards, I have reported FOUR POSTS. Four posts that violated the above-quoted section of the CoC. That does not even average to once per year. I'm hardly the one you want to point to as an example of abusing the "report post" function.
3. The reason I report posts that violate the obscenity part of the CoC and not other parts is twofold: first, I find them a major distraction from what can otherwise be a good discussion more than most of the other violations, and ultimately that's all I care about on a good thread, and second, I POST AT WORK and I do not want to have to wade through six pages of explicit verbal p**n at work just to see if the discussion ever gets back on track.
4. I am not a moderator. Did you guys forget that? Reporting a post does not necessarily mean that anything is going to happen to the poster. If the mods disagree with me that it's a CoC violation, that's fine - it's ultimately their call, not mine. Reporting a post is merely the way we've been told they prefer to be contacted about a post that we feel is out of line. So that is how I've used it - FOUR TIMES IN SIX YEARS.
It does not have to be more complicated than that, and Miss T, I'll thank you not to continue speculating about my sexual hang-ups from now on.
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Post by kittensaver on Aug 7, 2012 11:58:52 GMT -5
OMG this whole thread makes me so sad :-(
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Post by Firebird on Aug 7, 2012 11:59:56 GMT -5
Okay, folks. I've lookied through the thread. There was nothing there that required moderation, except one post that quoted a post Moonbeam had deleted. Moonbeam has given permission for the thread to be reinstated. At this point, it will probably be locked until we get the go-ahead from her to unlock it for continued posting. Thank you very much.
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Post by mmhmm on Aug 7, 2012 12:00:41 GMT -5
Okay, folks. I've lookied through the thread. There was nothing there that required moderation, except one post that quoted a post Moonbeam had deleted. Moonbeam has given permission for the thread to be reinstated. At this point, it will probably be locked until we get the go-ahead from her to unlock it for continued posting. Thanks, mmhmm. I appreciate you taking the time to do that. No problem, folks. It's a good thread, discussing an important topic. Hopefully, it can continue without the vitriol. In the meantime, it's available for review.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Aug 7, 2012 12:01:14 GMT -5
Well, I find it pretty baseless. Just because I don't like to read obscenities on completely unrelated threads WHILE I AM AT WORK, it "sounds like" I have issues with sex? You want to talk about putting words in people's mouths... and honestly, that's a pretty personal thing to suggest about someone on an open thread. "
So because you decide to post from work, the rest of us have to tiptoe around? If you don't like to read obscenities, don't read them...further more, a little iinnuendo is NOT obscenity...fro someone so young, you are wound very tight!
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Post by mmhmm on Aug 7, 2012 12:01:22 GMT -5
I notice I was "lookie-ing". I guess I need another cuppa! ;D
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Post by Miss Tequila on Aug 7, 2012 12:02:57 GMT -5
"How convenient that you point to that one as an example of how "off" my definition of explicit is when one of the participants has been banned and their responses wiped off the board" MU and moon had a personal relationship awhile back...honestly, she is very biased in her dealings with him and I believe it is becuase of their history..she can't seem to step away from personal issues and just moderate. I saw nothing that he did other than annoy her yesterday,which to my knowledge, isn't actually against CoC...no matter how much FB wants it to be
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Post by Firebird on Aug 7, 2012 12:03:38 GMT -5
So because you decide to post from work, the rest of us have to tiptoe around? If you don't like to read obscenities, don't read them...further more, a little iinnuendo is NOT obscenity...fro someone so young, you are wound very tight!
Uh huh. See my post #256. That's all I have to say on this.
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Post by swamp on Aug 7, 2012 12:04:34 GMT -5
I notice I was "lookie-ing". I guess I need another cuppa! ;D as long as you're not nookie-ing, its all good.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Aug 7, 2012 12:04:58 GMT -5
"That's all I have to say on this. " LOL...I don't believe you
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2012 12:06:06 GMT -5
I believe that I have mastered innuendo enough that the WORDS I use in my shenanigans wouldn't make a co-worker look twice.
If someone READS INTO what I am saying it is not a violation of the TOS; in fact, I consider it a job well done! ;D
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Post by thyme4change on Aug 7, 2012 12:06:16 GMT -5
Obscene postings are one of many ways a thread gets off track. Once I find the thread to be unacceptable or uninteresting, I just stop clicking on it. I check back in if it lives - but only a couple times - to see if it turns into something more interesting. But trying to keep this group from getting off track is like yelling at the moon. It will accomplish nothing, and exhaust you.
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Post by mmhmm on Aug 7, 2012 12:08:47 GMT -5
Let me try to give some insight on the matter of obscenity, if I may. ProBoards is much, much more aggressive and proactive on this subject than I might be, or you might be. We have to meet their standards or we don't have a board. In trying to do so, we might often seem prudish. It's not our CoC causing this to happen. It's ProBoards' definition of PG-13 we are obligated to meet. Please, try to keep that in mind.
As to Reports, we do receive some that are ... to put it mildly ... downright silly. They usually come from folks who have their knickers in a knot over a deleted post or a perceived reprimand. Sometimes, they're from people who are personally offended by something that doesn't really meet the criteria for deletion. While a moderator might understand your personal feelings on a subject, we can't moderate according to the personal criteria of 400 individual posters. It's just not possible. If you're (generic "you") offended by something, we'll take a look. If it breaks the CoC, or ToS, we'll remove the post; however, if there's a particular poster who's giving another poster fits, that's what the Ignore option is for. If more would use it, there would be a lot less bickering and taking of offense, I'm sure.
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Post by thyme4change on Aug 7, 2012 12:09:45 GMT -5
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Post by mmhmm on Aug 7, 2012 12:09:46 GMT -5
I notice I was "lookie-ing". I guess I need another cuppa! ;D as long as you're not nookie-ing, its all good. Sweetie, at my age the opposite might be true!
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Aug 7, 2012 12:10:52 GMT -5
I had recently read the thread in its entirety. I stated my honest opinion. In the event the thread is restored, it is my expectation that any objective observer (which precludes any of the contributors to the thread, all of whom hold strong opinions on the subject matter) will conclude that WWBG did not say what various posters have accused him of saying. His 'crimes', as I see it, were twofold: - espousing the contrarian view that a student who solicits a teacher, either by acting or dressing provocatively, or by initiating the relationship, bears part of the responsibility for any of the (legal) consequences for the relationship
- responding to milee's explicit hypothetical that a boy had instigated a relationship with Mr. Sanduski in a way he hoped would not portray himself as double-minded; realizing his reply was ripe for misinterpretation; attempting to disclaim and then to retract his statement among a storm of condemnation and inaccurate paraphrases; junking the thread when the rest of us began raising eyebrows on the skyrocketing report count
And, as I understand it, the thread has been restored. Hence interested parties can wade through it and make a determination for themselves.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Aug 7, 2012 12:11:21 GMT -5
Meow
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Post by swamp on Aug 7, 2012 12:11:44 GMT -5
when is this stupid freakin' missing post issue going to go away?!
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Aug 7, 2012 12:11:50 GMT -5
Meow again?
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