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Post by Miss Tequila on Aug 7, 2012 13:10:25 GMT -5
"Did Moon and MU date? " I cannot confirm or deny for fear of getting banned myself...all I can say is hell hath no fury like a woman scorned
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Post by swamp on Aug 7, 2012 13:10:29 GMT -5
that's what keeps cows in the pasture.
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Post by Opti on Aug 7, 2012 13:11:00 GMT -5
And this is how conspiracy theories get started! Since moon would be crazy to admit that she deleted a posters entire account on a whim we will never know the entire truth. So what shall we call this moment? MUgate??? Well since Moon let him back after her permaban last time, I'm counting it as reinstating the permaban that should have been never lifted. He was out of control and should have been banned. I kind of hope Moon has no desire to rehash whatever they discussed concerning his account and posting here. I'm not on FB with the rest of you, but MU telling the truth IMO would be the exception not the usual. I dealt with a politicial liar in my last good UNIX admin job. I imagine MU follows the same "rules" in his dealings with everyone. I'd expect him to lie how things happened to get sympathy instead of admitting what control or options he had on his leaving, whether his posts were to remain, etc.
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Post by mmhmm on Aug 7, 2012 13:12:35 GMT -5
I'll take another look. When I read through the thread earlier, I was looking specifically for posts that might break ProBoards' ToS. I remember seeing quite a few posts from WWBG, and posts in reaction to his comments. I didn't note removals and I didn't delete any. I will, however, review it again. Thank you. So btw, where do you mod, normally? Okay, I see the posts you're talking about now. They're at the end of the thread and were deleted by the poster at, or around the time the thread was moved off the public board. They were already gone by the time I reviewed the thread for this morning's reinstatement. I'm one of the Politics and the Markets moderators, but we all work the whole board, as needed.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Aug 7, 2012 13:12:58 GMT -5
Beer gets it. ;D
In all seriousness, WWBG explained (using back channels) why he made the comment. I read the thread. His explanation synced perfectly with his statements. His hasty reaction to the thread blowing up had completely undermined his ability to give an explanation, nobody was accepting his apologies, several people were improperly paraphrasing what he'd said.
Consider me a pompous twit if you want, but my advocacy for him was well-informed, impartial, and sincere.
The decision was hasty, which is why the thread was restored. The action should have been a lock rather than a move, but WWBG has acknowledged this.
The thread was out of control. 12 reports over its lifetime (not including several deletes on the first few pages), 6 in a 20 minute period. The same post cannot be reported more than once, meaning that 12 separate posts had been flagged. You'll forgive us if we see
X reported Y in Teacher Thread Y reported Z in Teacher Thread A reported B in Teacher Thread D reported F in Teacher Thread F reported Q in Teacher Thread Q reported W in Teacher Thread W reported Z in Teacher Thread ...
and sometimes make hasty decisions.
Furthermore, unmaking decisions is a much bigger deal than most people realize. It can (and often does) create more problems than it solves. The decision to restore the Teacher thread was not taken lightly.
Ms. Milee. The 'enjoy annoying posters' was satirical. The "meow" comment was a new page bump, carrying over from an arc on the previous page. In no conceivable way is it me "insulting" anybody.
At present, I'm the only one who has this ability. The other mods can have it, of course, but none want it.
As for mass deletes: If a current or former user requests that their account and/or posts be deleted, per the Proboards ToS, admin must delete the account/posts.
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Post by swasat on Aug 7, 2012 13:13:01 GMT -5
Seriously people? So now from the mod bashing the conversation has gone to moon and MU relationship bashing? Seriously?
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Miss Tequila
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Post by Miss Tequila on Aug 7, 2012 13:13:28 GMT -5
Can NONE OF YOU READ WHAT I KEEP WRITING? A poster CAN NOT delete their history...perhaps MU is a perpetual liar (i don't know and I don't care) but if moon didn't delete him, how is every trace of him gone? ?
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Post by The J on Aug 7, 2012 13:14:07 GMT -5
"I'm sorry, but because MU says something, that something does not become gospel. It is just as likely what I understand to be the reality is, indeed, the reality as it is MU's word is the reality. It is my understanding MU asked that his account be closed and all his posts be removed. " If you would see my later post, no poster has the ability to delete their own history....moon wanted him gone so he is gone... A poster who is quitting the board has the ability to ask a moderator to delete their posting history. Of course, that might go against an individual's biases against a moderator, so that couldn't possibly be the case..... As far as everyone who is calling for more moderators, gin started a thread asking who is willing to be a moderator. At the time I'm posting this, it's 61 posts long, and I believe that Mid is the only person who seriously volunteered (I would note that I would wholly support Mid becoming a mod).
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Post by midjd on Aug 7, 2012 13:14:47 GMT -5
Kind of an oxymoron, is it not? If you're advocating FOR someone, how does impartiality fit into that?
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Post by thyme4change on Aug 7, 2012 13:15:07 GMT -5
LOL - I'm still using it. Moo-gate.
Clearly, Z was in the wrong.
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Post by Chocolate Lover on Aug 7, 2012 13:15:41 GMT -5
And if Beer & MU's exchange on "her" thread yesterday is what she's calling explicit then I find her definition of explicit a bit off. How convenient that you point to that one as an example of how "off" my definition of explicit is when one of the participants has been banned and their responses wiped off the board. This is my last word on the subject, seriously. Any further speculations about why I don't like to read the explicit sexual garbage, I'm referring back to this post. I'm not going to continue defending myself on this in perpetuity. 1. I do not report posts that annoy me personally, or ones I disagree with, or even the ones that could be construed as personal attacks. I only report posts that are clear violations of the part of the CoC that says we're not allowed to post "libelous, defamatory, abusive, or threatening, excessively violent, harassing, obscene, lewd, lascivious, filthy, or pornographic" and usually only after the poster in question has managed to completely derail a thread. The "ignore" button only works when people don't quote a disgusting post 50 times. 2. In more than six years on these boards, I have reported FOUR POSTS. Four posts that violated the above-quoted section of the CoC. That does not even average to once per year. I'm hardly the one you want to point to as an example of abusing the "report post" function. 3. The reason I report posts that violate the obscenity part of the CoC and not other parts is twofold: first, I find them a major distraction from what can otherwise be a good discussion more than most of the other violations, and ultimately that's all I care about on a good thread, and second, I POST AT WORK and I do not want to have to wade through six pages of explicit verbal p**n at work just to see if the discussion ever gets back on track. 4. I am not a moderator. Did you guys forget that? Reporting a post does not necessarily mean that anything is going to happen to the poster. If the mods disagree with me that it's a CoC violation, that's fine - it's ultimately their call, not mine. Reporting a post is merely the way we've been told they prefer to be contacted about a post that we feel is out of line. So that is how I've used it - FOUR TIMES IN SIX YEARS. It does not have to be more complicated than that, and Miss T, I'll thank you not to continue speculating about my sexual hang-ups from now on. Take a deep breath and relax. I said that IF that is what you were calling explicit then you might not have the same definition as me and, quite likely, a large part of the world. MU got wiped out because he ticked off Moon, if she took offense to something explicit vs. his usual misogynistic tripe then I missed that too. Entirely possible. That's all I've questioned so far so I'm not going to get into the rest of your post. When you set yourself up as the non mod "content police" these questions come up. I asked, you really still haven't answered. Or pointed me to a thread that offended you so I can see what it is you're talking about specifically.
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Post by The J on Aug 7, 2012 13:15:55 GMT -5
Can NONE OF YOU READ WHAT I KEEP WRITING? A poster CAN NOT delete their history...perhaps MU is a perpetual liar (i don't know and I don't care) but if moon didn't delete him, how is every trace of him gone? ? It's more that you can't seem to read what everyone else is writing. While MU could not delete it himself, he could certainly request that it be deleted.
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Post by Opti on Aug 7, 2012 13:15:54 GMT -5
That I remember. He was trying to stir up shit and get the focus on him. I think he was trying to offer some helpful advice, not necessarily "get the focus on him" as he's been accused of...IMHO <<this post in no way suggests that I promote relations with underage girls>> Nice lie there Tax. He didn't try to offer any helpful advice. His sole intent was to derail the thread in a direction he wanted to take it. In other words, standard MU. You like to follow his style to some extent. I see a banning in your near future.
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Post by mmhmm on Aug 7, 2012 13:16:17 GMT -5
You're going to be wasting your time, because those posts are GONE. They went into the abyss, along with MU's.... I think Mods can see deleted posts, though I could be wrong. Unless someone has missed a step, we can see deleted posts, gin, if we deleted them. If we didn't delete them, we cannot see deleted posts. When we delete a post, we copy it and post it in a thread on another board that's made for that purpose. That way, if there are questions, or if it's decided the post should be reinstated, we have it copied.
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Post by kittensaver on Aug 7, 2012 13:16:26 GMT -5
MU telling the truth IMO would be the exception not the usual. I dealt with a politicial liar in my last good UNIX admin job. I imagine MU follows the same "rules" in his dealings with everyone. I'd expect him to lie how things happened to get sympathy instead of admitting what control or options he had on his leaving, whether his posts were to remain, etc. Someone around here would LIE to get sympathy??? Really???
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Post by Miss Tequila on Aug 7, 2012 13:16:42 GMT -5
"It's more that you can't seem to read what everyone else is writing. While MU could not delete it himself, he could certainly request that it be deleted. "
yet mmhmmm said no mod deleted him...so which is it?
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Post by thyme4change on Aug 7, 2012 13:18:12 GMT -5
Moo
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Post by Miss Tequila on Aug 7, 2012 13:18:38 GMT -5
"A poster who is quitting the board has the ability to ask a moderator to delete their posting history. Of course, that might go against an individual's biases against a moderator, so that couldn't possibly be the case....."
And it couldn't possibly be that you are biased on MU.....
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Post by thyme4change on Aug 7, 2012 13:20:31 GMT -5
MU was like drunk uncle. You aren't proud of him - but he is part of the family.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2012 13:21:12 GMT -5
Can NONE OF YOU READ WHAT I KEEP WRITING? A poster CAN NOT delete their history...perhaps MU is a perpetual liar (i don't know and I don't care) but if moon didn't delete him, how is every trace of him gone? ? It's more that you can't seem to read what everyone else is writing. While MU could not delete it himself, he could certainly request that it be deleted. And I shall submit again.....does that even remotely sound like him??? You expect us to believe that Mr "who can't love me" ASKED for all of his posts to be deleted??
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Post by mmhmm on Aug 7, 2012 13:21:22 GMT -5
"It's more that you can't seem to read what everyone else is writing. While MU could not delete it himself, he could certainly request that it be deleted. " yet mmhmmm said no mod deleted him...so which is it? I'm sorry? I don't believe I said that. I said I understood MU asked that his posts be expunged and his account be closed. That equates to MU deciding to remove himself permanently from the boards, not someone else deciding to remove him.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2012 13:21:53 GMT -5
MU was like drunk uncle. You aren't proud of him - but he is part of the family.
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Post by midjd on Aug 7, 2012 13:22:24 GMT -5
I'm not going to speak for FB, but if she's reported 4 posts in 6 years, it's pretty likely that any offending comments/threads are buried somewhere around page 200 of EE (or lost with the rest of the old YM). I don't know that it's worth it to anyone to try to dig it up.
And I think the back-and-forth innuendo and one-liners are annoying, too. At the VERY least it would be nice if it were confined to EE. I get pretty tired of reading YM/YMOT threads that degenerate into "hahaha, penis" by page 2.
(THIS DOESN'T MEAN I'M REPORTING/HAVE REPORTED ANYONE FOR ANYTHING, SO DON'T JUMP ON ME FOR BEING THE CONTENT POLICE).
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2012 13:23:22 GMT -5
I think Mods can see deleted posts, though I could be wrong. Unless someone has missed a step, we can see deleted posts, gin, if we deleted them. If we didn't delete them, we cannot see deleted posts. When we delete a post, we copy it and post it in a thread on another board that's made for that purpose. That way, if there are questions, or if it's decided the post should be reinstated, we have it copied. Thank you for the information.
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Post by Taxman10 on Aug 7, 2012 13:25:14 GMT -5
I think he was trying to offer some helpful advice, not necessarily "get the focus on him" as he's been accused of...IMHO <<this post in no way suggests that I promote relations with underage girls>> Nice lie there Tax. He didn't try to offer any helpful advice. His sole intent was to derail the thread in a direction he wanted to take it. In other words, standard MU. You like to follow his style to some extent. I see a banning in your near future. how can my opinion be a lie?? nice lie for you too then Opti?? do you want me to predict your future for you?? :-)
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Post by Miss Tequila on Aug 7, 2012 13:25:58 GMT -5
"And I shall submit again.....does that even remotely sound like him??? You expect us to believe that Mr "who can't love me" ASKED for all of his posts to be deleted?? " Exactly....but apparently people really DO think we are just airheaded bimbos who will believe anythignwe are told...ok, we might be bimbos but we ain't airheads
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2012 13:26:14 GMT -5
Where in the heck is this locked thread? Dang it, I don't have time to read it now anyway.
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Post by Taxman10 on Aug 7, 2012 13:26:51 GMT -5
Can NONE OF YOU READ WHAT I KEEP WRITING? A poster CAN NOT delete their history...perhaps MU is a perpetual liar (i don't know and I don't care) but if moon didn't delete him, how is every trace of him gone? ? It's more that you can't seem to read what everyone else is writing. While MU could not delete it himself, he could certainly request that it be deleted. let's go ask MU if that was the case.... MOO-Gate thickens.... <<this post in no way suggests that I promote relations with underage girls>>
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Aug 7, 2012 13:26:54 GMT -5
I read his private explanation, went into the thread without preconceptions to determine if his explanation made sense. It did. That discovery in turn prompted my advocacy.
He has subsequently thanked me for "getting what [he] was trying to say".
I'm not talking through my hat. I know the deleted post. I know the full contents of the thread. I know what WWBG has said.
He made a mistake. He acknowledged and apologized for the mistake. That's all he can do.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Aug 7, 2012 13:27:58 GMT -5
""I'm not saying you're an airhead, I'm saying your posts make you seem like one.""
LMFAO!!!!
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