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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2012 15:09:42 GMT -5
I think it is one of those things that is great or a disaster. If your life works after living on the beach then you are brilliant. If you find yourself worse off, then you are an idiot.
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Post by midjd on Jul 30, 2012 15:11:22 GMT -5
I was referring more to safety. Same reason many women aren't comfortable staying in homeless shelters.
I suppose according to some who post here, if I move to a tent on the beach to try to find a job, and am assaulted while living on the beach, that's what I get for being poor.
You really can't win. If you can't find a job where you are - you need to move to find a job. But if you move without having a job lined up first, you're an idiot.
So what's the answer? I certainly don't have one. Staying with family is what got me through that situation, but that's not an option for everybody.
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Post by Sum Dum Gai on Jul 30, 2012 15:14:23 GMT -5
I know, but I'm just pointing out that men don't exactly feel safe sleeping surrounded by addicts, mentally ill people, etc. Especially if they're sleeping in a fabric structure. We can be beaten, robbed, and raped too yanno.
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Post by Firebird on Jul 30, 2012 15:15:09 GMT -5
So how exactly does one pick up and move to a place that has a lot of jobs, when you don't have a lot of money?
At least one way is to explore the jobs in the new area beforehand, hopefully arrange some interviews, get things set up ahead of time so you can hit the ground running when you arrive. I don't say you should HAVE a job before you move because in a lot of fields that is difficult-to-impossible to accomplish (most of the time, you need to interview in person) but you can at the very least do your homework ahead of time and avoid the "three weeks of pissing around trying to figure out what 'uptown' means in Manhattan" that a lot of people do.
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Post by midjd on Jul 30, 2012 15:17:52 GMT -5
Sure, but aren't you the one who is always saying that women can't really win a fight against someone substantially larger?
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Post by Sum Dum Gai on Jul 30, 2012 15:20:19 GMT -5
I don't know about always... it came up in one thread last week. It's not just women though. A 165 pound male is highly likely to get his ass kicked by a 245 pound male due to the same strength and size differential. Being small and getting in fist fights is just a bad idea all around, regardless of plumbing.
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Post by flopsy on Jul 30, 2012 15:40:49 GMT -5
So how exactly does one pick up and move to a place that has a lot of jobs, when you don't have a lot of money?
By utilizing the power of the internet? Contact the local Chamber of Commerce Read the local (major) business journal Contact recruiters/head hunters that cover your desired location Contact staffing agencies that cover your desired location (especially if you do not have the skill set/experience that would catch the eye of a recruiter/head hunter) Utilize LinkedIn (or Facebook...), do you have contacts in your desired location? See what groups or professional organizations are in your desired location
I could keep going... But these are the first steps I would take to gain a foothold in a new location.
Heck when my stepfather was young secured a job in CA from PA and showed up with a total of $20 in his pocket. He's done ok for himself.
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Post by formerroomate99 on Jul 30, 2012 15:50:02 GMT -5
I doubt that is true.
And I don't think anybody is talking about taking away benefits without giving any notice, so please stop pretending that anyone who can't find a job in a week will end up homeless.
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Post by flopsy on Jul 30, 2012 15:57:54 GMT -5
I've been out of work before and am currently out of work. The length of my unemployed state was of my own doing.
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Post by midjd on Jul 30, 2012 17:41:20 GMT -5
Not everyone is eligible for benefits. I was not eligible for UI when I graduated and was unemployed. I had taken out more SLs than I needed (which I'm sure YM would've warned me against) which was the only thing keeping us afloat until we moved.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2012 17:59:36 GMT -5
When my youngest graduates I will not qualify for anything. If I were unable to earn money, then I would have none. You can't get welfare without minor children. Same goes for FS.
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Post by midjd on Jul 30, 2012 18:31:48 GMT -5
Sometimes - the money stops. Period.
Think about if you had $200 in your checking account, no nearby family (or family unable/unwilling to help), no credit cards or other available credit. And you lose your income suddenly. It's easy to say "I'd just get a job" or "I'd move" but when it comes down to numbers - and yours are close to zero - you don't have a lot of options.
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Post by Sum Dum Gai on Jul 30, 2012 18:38:12 GMT -5
I'd put every penny of it in my gas tank and drive back to my mom's. I know she'd always let me stay in the basement or something. I have no idea what people without at least one family member to rely on do in that situation. Knock over a liquor store I guess.
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Post by seriousthistime on Jul 30, 2012 20:48:51 GMT -5
Since there is a lot of anecdotal evidence here, I will add mine (my DS and DIL). When they both graduated from college, they moved to a big city. He was a graduate student, she a recent graduate, both at the top of their fields (top of the top, both awarded number 1 student in their respective majors) and both in STEM fields. She applied for every professional job she could find, no luck. She finally applied for, and landed, a job where she spent her days asking, "Do you want to supersize that?" She spent two years there until she finally found a temp job in her field, and another year after that before she got a permanent job with benefits.
You do what you have to do.
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Post by flopsy on Jul 30, 2012 21:02:39 GMT -5
Sometimes - the money stops. Period. Think about if you had $200 in your checking account, no nearby family (or family unable/unwilling to help), no credit cards or other available credit. And you lose your income suddenly. It's easy to say "I'd just get a job" or "I'd move" but when it comes down to numbers - and yours are close to zero - you don't have a lot of options. No family, no friends, no acquaintances, no one at all? Yes if I lived in a vacuum or burnt every bridge then my opinion might be different.
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Post by flopsy on Jul 30, 2012 21:04:09 GMT -5
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Post by happyhoix on Jul 31, 2012 7:12:38 GMT -5
I doubt that is true. And I don't think anybody is talking about taking away benefits without giving any notice, so please stop pretending that anyone who can't find a job in a week will end up homeless. I never said that people who can't find a job in a week would be homeless. My point is that some posters on this board like to believe that there is a sea of jobs out there and the only reason people are unemployed is that they are shiftless, lazy, worthless people whose goal in life is to sit on the coach someone else paid for and watch TV with electricity someone else paid for. Yes there are people like that, I don't disagree with that. But there are also people trying very hard, by every means possible, to find a job to support their families but sometimes that is very hard to do - especially in bad economic times like these. To bring up the fact that your daddy dug ditches for a quarter a week (in the snow) and if he can do it, everyone else can do it if they weren't so stinking lazy is annoying. To insist that anyone can land a job at any time if they weren't lazy and worthless shows an absence of understanding of what unemployment is really like.
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Post by raeoflyte on Jul 31, 2012 8:00:46 GMT -5
No family, no friends, no acquaintances, no one at all? Yes if I lived in a vacuum or burnt every bridge then my opinion might be different. How about no family (as in everyone else is dead) and friends/co-workers are also struggling? Yes, people make it work. They rent a 1 bedroom and make deals with a neighbor for childcare, hope and pray the car keeps working, and save for years to be able to move into an apartment. I'm just surprised that people on this board aren't more grateful for the good fortune they have had. Well, I guess I'm not surprised...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2012 8:04:33 GMT -5
Since there is a lot of anecdotal evidence here, I will add mine (my DS and DIL). When they both graduated from college, they moved to a big city. He was a graduate student, she a recent graduate, both at the top of their fields (top of the top, both awarded number 1 student in their respective majors) and both in STEM fields. She applied for every professional job she could find, no luck. She finally applied for, and landed, a job where she spent her days asking, "Do you want to supersize that?" She spent two years there until she finally found a temp job in her field, and another year after that before she got a permanent job with benefits. You do what you have to do. I have a bachelor in Accounting and had 2 years experience at the time when I moved to the Albany. Couldn't find a job to save my life, 2008 right in the middle of the financial meltdown. Took a part time job as a grocery cleric for $9/hour (1-5days a week depending on how busy they were) and took another part time job at UPS that I considered my workout also (5 days - 20hours a week) for $9.50. Did that for 2 years (may 2008- June 2010) until I landed a full time job. I always said that 2008-2010 were the most trying/difficult times of my life and looking back I don't know how we made it. I had a co-worker at the time that also got laid off from his job, he was working at the grocery store part time and Barnes & Nobles part time. Another was a recent graduate (masters in education) but could not find a teaching job, so tried to substitute when he could. You would be surprise of how many people in a grocery store have bachelors/masters and trying to find a job. In the mean time they have to eat, keep the lights on. You just do what you you gotta do.
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Post by midjd on Jul 31, 2012 8:09:55 GMT -5
There is an element of good fortune in every success story. Much as some of you would like to think you are where you are 100% due to your own hard work, that is never the case.
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Post by Waffle on Jul 31, 2012 8:13:23 GMT -5
There is an element of good fortune in every success story. Much as some of you would like to think you are where you are 100% due to your own hard work, that is never the case.
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Post by raeoflyte on Jul 31, 2012 8:21:15 GMT -5
I'm grateful that I was born with intelligence, ability, and drive. I'm grateful for my parents who encouraged me as a child/teenager and have been there for me repeatedly as an adult. I'm grateful to have been raised in a country where I had access to decent public schools. I'm grateful for bosses who have taken a chance on me and given me opportunities.
90% of my life has been being in the right place at the right time. I work hard too, but I have no delusions that I would have and be where I am without all of the advantages I have been given.
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Post by midjd on Jul 31, 2012 8:22:14 GMT -5
Explain what? That not every element of your life is 100% under your control? Do you really believe it is?
We all depend on luck (or fate, or God, or however you want to classify it) to some extent. This can work for us and against us.
I don't know any success story who didn't have someone - a parent, a great boss, a pastor - help them and give advice along the way.
Plus the luck most of us have had of being born in a first-world country, with no debilitating disabilities, and with average to above-average intelligence. We can't really take credit for that.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2012 8:29:16 GMT -5
sure I can. I beat those other sperm fair and square! They can go suck an egg!
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Post by zibazinski on Jul 31, 2012 8:36:11 GMT -5
;D MJ!
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Post by raeoflyte on Jul 31, 2012 8:37:51 GMT -5
Explain what? That not every element of your life is 100% under your control? Do you really believe it is? We all depend on luck (or fate, or God, or however you want to classify it) to some extent. This can work for us and against us. I don't know any success story who didn't have someone - a parent, a great boss, a pastor - help them and give advice along the way. Plus the luck most of us have had of being born in a first-world country, with no debilitating disabilities, and with average to above-average intelligence. We can't really take credit for that.
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Post by zibazinski on Jul 31, 2012 8:46:01 GMT -5
Seriously, everyone in the US has the same deal. You can choose to get an education, it's free, you can choose to not abuse or sell drugs, you can choose to not get pregnant until you are capable of supporting yourself as well as a child, you can choose to not be a criminal or hang with them. The choices are yours to make. Are they as much fun? Not screwing every boy you meet, or dealing with the buddies on the corner? Probably not, but they are choices and you are free to make them. You have the brains to know that these are no-win situations even though it seems like the easy road to take. That is one of the reason I am so against welfare, because it makes it easy to make bad. How SE that not only affect you, but your children, and the taxpayers. I still think no welfare until age 21 is a great idea because maybe, just maybe, it will get more high school graduates and then employed people because there's no point to having a baby in high school because there's no money or services for doing so. Just like I think if you are on the dole, bc is mandatory and it is for any children you have that could have babies as well. Too bad no bc shot for boy-men.
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Post by Cookies Galore on Jul 31, 2012 8:48:40 GMT -5
Explain what? That not every element of your life is 100% under your control? Do you really believe it is? We all depend on luck (or fate, or God, or however you want to classify it) to some extent. This can work for us and against us. I don't know any success story who didn't have someone - a parent, a great boss, a pastor - help them and give advice along the way. Plus the luck most of us have had of being born in a first-world country, with no debilitating disabilities, and with average to above-average intelligence. We can't really take credit for that.
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Post by midjd on Jul 31, 2012 8:50:08 GMT -5
Seriously, I was not aware that everyone in the US was born with exactly the same intelligence, physical and emotional capabilities, and family support.
I can see how believing that would make it a lot easier to bash poor people without feeling guilty about it, though.
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Post by Waffle on Jul 31, 2012 8:52:35 GMT -5
Seriously, I was not aware that everyone in the US was born with exactly the same intelligence, physical and emotional capabilities, and family support. I can see how believing that would make it a lot easier to bash poor people without feeling guilty about it, though.
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