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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Jul 12, 2012 14:49:15 GMT -5
Hmm, if she didn't follow the rules then that makes her claims to ownership a lot stickier. We did absolutely everything we were supposed to and then some before we microchipped her. If someone came to us now I'd tell them to piss off.
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Post by shanendoah on Jul 12, 2012 14:52:28 GMT -5
DQ: I totally agree with you. With the dog we found, even though someone told us where they thought he lived, we contacted the local humane society and asked about the rules. We were told we could bring the dog in, and when we said no, we'd rather him stay with us until his owner was found (local animal control was a kill shelter), we were told that after a certain amount of time, we would be able claim him as our own, which is what would have happened. If the owner of the dog hadn't called us when he did, our next step was to get the dog to a vet to check for a micro-chip. But everything had been closed down due to the winter storm, so it wasn't something we were able to do right away. But we were very happy when his owner came to get him, and you could obviously tell that this was his owner from the dog's reaction.
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Post by Abby Normal on Jul 12, 2012 14:53:00 GMT -5
Hmm, if she didn't follow the rules then that makes her claims to ownership a lot stickier. We did absolutely everything we were supposed to and then some before we microchipped her. If someone came to us now I'd tell them to piss off. I would too. DQ- I'm in the process of adopting an Aussie myself.
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Post by shanendoah on Jul 12, 2012 14:55:53 GMT -5
I miss my Aussie.
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Post by CarolinaKat on Jul 12, 2012 14:58:19 GMT -5
I"ll go home and hug the un-Aussie Aussie for you shannen *hugs* Seriously... She'd try to cuddle a sheep... or run away from it, or maybe try to bathe it like a cat.... She's dumb as a box of rocks but I love her
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Post by movingforward on Jul 12, 2012 15:02:16 GMT -5
shanendoah - what an adorable dog!
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Post by 973beachbum on Jul 12, 2012 15:05:23 GMT -5
If you read the article, the original owner did put an ad on Craig's List, did post flyers, did report the animal missing to animal control - and he has proof that he did all of those things. For 5 months, he continued to call animal control weekly to find out if somone had brought in his dog or reported a found dog that matched his dog's description. It took 2 years for him to find his dog again because the young woman who found the dog didn't actually look for it's owners. She claims she did, but unlike the original owner, she has provided no proof of her efforts. Instead, she refused to cooperate with the investigation and then filed a law suit. First of all this assumes that I spend my day trolling Craig's list. I don't. (I prefer to waste my time here ) secondly I lost a dog and did those things but he had wandered just far enough away that the shelter the person who found him would have called was completely different from the one I did. If I actually thought I had to go throug everything that was posted on the last page I just wouldn't. I would call animal control and they would keep the dog for seven days before they put it to sleep. I may be mean but I am not putting my money, and time, out and going around like a crazy person to find you because you were too lazy to make sure your dog didn't go wandering.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Jul 12, 2012 15:09:11 GMT -5
She should ahve at least reported it to animal control. We reported we had found her to animal control, if no one bothered to even call the animal shelter we figured it was a good bet no one was coming to look for her. We waited six months before we had her microchipped, way longer than we needed to but no one ever came looking for her.
She used to be quite the escape artist so my guess is that she did it one too many times so the owner didn't bother coming to look for her the last time. Or she was abandoned becuase another dog was found in the same area at the same time that was also never claimed, another couple in the neighborhood found him.
I love our aussie but she is not a breed I would have picked out personally. She's a handful. She is awesom with Gwen though, has the patience of a saint. She's a great dog, just not a breed if I was actively looking I would have chosen for our lifestyle.
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Post by 973beachbum on Jul 12, 2012 15:13:28 GMT -5
She should ahve at least reported it to animal control. We reported we had found her to animal control, if no one bothered to even call the animal shelter we figured it was a good bet no one was coming to look for her. We waited six months before we had her microchipped, way longer than we needed to but no one ever came looking for her.I agree that she should have reported to to whatever passes for animal control in that area. Around here they don't keep that type of record for months let alone years and that is what everyone is asking for as proof. Around here me and the woman who found my dog both called animal control days apart and they didnt' tell either of us about the other one. They basicaly took a message. Fat lot of good that does.
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Post by Abby Normal on Jul 12, 2012 15:13:34 GMT -5
I love our aussie but she is not a breed I would have picked out personally. She's a handful. She is awesom with Gwen though, has the patience of a saint. She's a great dog, just not a breed if I was actively looking I would have chosen for our lifestyle. They are definitely not for everyone. Since I do agility, I went searching for one. Since we lost our older dog, the younger one is lonely. I can't justify buying one, where there are so many dogs out there that need homes.
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Post by CarolinaKat on Jul 12, 2012 15:16:06 GMT -5
When I found a dog I put a notice on CL and got contacted by owners looking for their dogs who were being very vigilant. I actually got matched up through the county shelter, they dog still had the collar, the tags had come off. The dog jumped the fence during a storm while the owners were on vacation and they found her missing and their other girl still in the yard. The dog had actually travelled almost 6 miles to end up at my home and I had ended up keeping her for almost their entire vacation. The dog was shy around their particular dogsitter, so the dogsitter hadn't noticed her absence, only that the other dog was acting more stressed than normal. All in all a happy ending, but I don't think that someone who had contacted the county shelter and put in a 'found notice' and put a CL ad would have been contacted in short order by a concerned owner. Especially since she was so close to the owner.
This girl did not try at all to get this puppy back to his family. End of story.
ETA: Animal control cross-matched the 'found' and 'lost' reports of the dog to get Bailey back to her home. They keep them for a long time around here. Probably for cases such as this one
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Jul 12, 2012 15:18:17 GMT -5
Around here they don't keep that type of record for months let alone years and that is what everyone is asking for as proof.
I don't know how long ours keeps them I think it was 90 days.
Since she wasn't chipped and had no tags there was no way to trace her, there wasn't much the animal shelter could have done besides take our description and hope someone called in looking for a dog that matched.
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Post by shanendoah on Jul 12, 2012 15:26:24 GMT -5
In the case in the article, the dog was found 6 blocks from where he got out- certainly not far enough for it to be a different animal control. We, however, did call two different animal control offices when we found Keegan. We also checked Craigs List and the classifieds for the local paper. It took maybe 10 minutes total to do those things and wasn't really an inconvenience. We also posted flyers at the shopping center where we found him and put one in the mailbox of the house we were told people thought he belonged to (they were right). The dog got out because there was a major snow storm and a drift allowed him to just walk right over his fence. There wasn't anything the owner could have done to have prevented that. (And yes, the owner offered to pay us. We refused.)
When our Aussie (the boy pictured above) dug out of the yard the first time, we had been living in that house for over 6 months. He had always had unfettered access to the back yard (doggie door). He had never shown any inclination to dig. Then one day, he did, and he kept doing it. We ended up putting the dogs in the garage when we left the house so that he couldn't dig out. Sometimes, dogs escape, and there's nothing the owner could have done to prevent it.
DQ: They definitely aren't a breed for everyone. I loved my boy dearly, but we likely won't get another Aussie or BC because we aren't a good lifestyle fit for them.
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Post by 973beachbum on Jul 12, 2012 15:28:56 GMT -5
Around here they don't keep that type of record for months let alone years and that is what everyone is asking for as proof.I don't know how long ours keeps them I think it was 90 days.Since she wasn't chipped and had no tags there was no way to trace her, there wasn't much the animal shelter could have done besides take our description and hope someone called in looking for a dog that matched. If they were asking for records from 90 days ago I would agree that that is completely reasonable. Six months ago would be pretty reasonable as long as the animal control keeps them. Two years ago is completely out of the realm of reasonable IMO.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Jul 12, 2012 15:30:01 GMT -5
I agree there is more you can do but I would argue that you really can't provide records that you did it after a year or more. Unless I pay the paper $15 a pop the ad is going to be gone after a week. The animal shelter only keeps records for 60-90 days and the ice cream shop isn't going to keep a poster up forever, neither is the vet.
In a six block radius we'd have gone looking from house to house if at all possible. We've done that with dogs that got loose in our neighborhood before. If we couldn't find someone we'd call animal control to come get the dog. We might put a found ad in the paper depending on the situation.
Luckily a lot of times it is the same damn dog that gets out in our neighborhood. That poor dog is going to be road pizza one of these days.
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Post by shanendoah on Jul 12, 2012 15:31:29 GMT -5
agile: I don't know what part of the country you're in, but unless you do AKC agility and need a papered dog, around here it's very easy to find an Aussie or BC mix in the shelters. Our boy was purebred and he came from a shelter. We were there when he was being surrendered. The older, upper middle class couple were surrendering him because, at 9 months old, he had "too much energy when they got home at the end of the day and let him out of his crate". Seriously. I heard her say it. I even still have the adoption papers (from 12 years ago) with that written on it.
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Post by 973beachbum on Jul 12, 2012 15:39:15 GMT -5
In the case of our dog. He got loose by jumping an 8 ft fence. Normally we could find him but he went a direction we never went so we didnt find him. the woman who did find him is actually in the same town. Her kids go to the same school as mind. It might be 5 miles away. The problem is I live in the south end and she lives in the north. She called the animal control to her east but I called the one to the south. She did put up flier, bless her heart, but they were at the stores by here that I never go to. When we talked she only reads a certain local paper where as I read the slightly bigger area paper.
To make matters worse I have always described him as a "large yellow" dog. She thought he was a "medium cream colored" dog. It is really easy for people who don't live that far awy to never actually cross paths even in a pretty rural area. I would think in an urban one it is even easier. Craigs list all I can say is I have never used it and wouldn't think to use it later. It is just not something I do.
The only reason she actually firgured out that he was ours was because a friend of her daughters was there and remarked that he looked a lot like a friend of her's dog that had run away.
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Post by zibazinski on Jul 12, 2012 15:41:12 GMT -5
Thank GOD for that. What a stroke of luck for sure.
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Post by shanendoah on Jul 12, 2012 15:59:00 GMT -5
I understand that it can be hard to have proof you did things two years after she did them, but to not cooperate with the original investigation at all? That's what gets me. She hired a lawyer while the initial investigation was happening, but didn't cooperate or participate in it at all. SHe did, however, speak to a newspaper (not the one this article is from). Then, when the findings of the investigation came out against her (well, duh, she didn't even participate), she filed a pre-emptive lawsuit. That is what indicates to me that she didn't try to find this dog's owners 2 years ago.
Now, I'll be honest- if one of my dogs was missing for two years and I finally found him, living with a family that loved him, I think I'd let it go. I would have gotten over the loss (at least mostly) in the intervening time, and I would be able to see that my dog was healthy and had a loving home. Why make this new family go through what my family went through- especially if my kids weren't with me when I "found" the dog, again. I'd actually feel a lot better about the situation. In all honestly, I'd also have another dog by that point. So, there is a part of me that disagrees with how this man acted when he saw his dog again, but legally, given the way this young woman has acted, I'm going to say she is the one in the wrong.
I will note, though I have no idea if this is the case here or not, that most sled type dogs I've met are not the love everybody types. They tend to be very pack oriented and don't respond to strangers calling them with kisses and tail wags. If it were a Golden or a Lab, I'd be more inclined to listen to the argument of "so the dog liked you, that doesn't prove it's yours".
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Post by shanendoah on Jul 12, 2012 16:00:49 GMT -5
beachbum: That's actually the point of listing the found/missing dog on Craigslist- it's free and you can post a picture, so the fact that you have differing descriptions doesn't matter as much, because you can see an actual picture of the dog. But yes, it was lucky that friends in common were able to recognize your dog and get him back to you.
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Post by shanendoah on Jul 12, 2012 16:04:56 GMT -5
We did have a cat who liked to wander and many neighbors thought he was a stray. He was a former stray (as far as we knew) so the fact that he wandered and didn't always come home didn't bother us until we didn't see him for a full week. Then we started asking the neighbors. Found out he'd been taken in by a family about 5 houses down the street with a little boy whose mom had just died of cancer. My mom got his vet records together and some food, and took it down to the family. She said she wasn't going to try and take him back, she just wanted them to know he was healthy and safe to be around their family, and here was some of the food he was used to eating.
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Post by Peace Of Mind on Jul 12, 2012 16:16:12 GMT -5
Millions of homeless dogs across the country, and people have to fight over specific ones. Millions of parentless children across the world and people have to fight over specific ones. I just fell completely in love with you, Hoops! Karma when I recharge. I think he should get his dog back but reimburse the other people for the care and medical they provided. What a shame they couldn't work something out without requiring legal assistance but I do understand it. ETA: Shanen - Beautiful Aussie!! Very similar to my mom's Border Collie. Gorgeous, smart and sweet dogs!
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Post by Abby Normal on Jul 12, 2012 16:18:27 GMT -5
agile: I don't know what part of the country you're in, but unless you do AKC agility and need a papered dog, around here it's very easy to find an Aussie or BC mix in the shelters. Our boy was purebred and he came from a shelter. We were there when he was being surrendered. The older, upper middle class couple were surrendering him because, at 9 months old, he had "too much energy when they got home at the end of the day and let him out of his crate". Seriously. I heard her say it. I even still have the adoption papers (from 12 years ago) with that written on it. Yep- that happens alot. Agility peope get a lot of dogs out of rescue for exactly that reason. They aren't bad dogs, but people get them without realizing what they are getting into. It's rare to find a BC or Aussie in an actual shelter here. As soon as the shelters get them in, they call the breed rescues and they take the dogs to keep them out of the shelters. They try to keep them from being adopted by people who don't know what they are getting into. It's very networked together here. I contacted the breed rescue locally. They connected me with a shelter in a different state that had a dog that met my great wish list of what I was looking for (age, sex, temperment and even color). Shelter is transporting her to me. Beach- You keep saying two years. The dog is two and a half. He jumped the fence 3/27/11. So we are talking about 14 months when the original owner saw the dog. Edit- Shan- Dogs don't have to be papered to run AKC agility. They changed the rules a few years back. First the dog just had to look like the breed, but now I think they even allow "clearly" mixed breeds.
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Post by shanendoah on Jul 12, 2012 16:25:19 GMT -5
Agile: It was me saying two years because I misread the article. It clearly says the dog has been missing for a year, but then right after that, it says the dog is two years old, and my mind just translated that into the dog being gone two years.
Thanks everyone for the compliments on Moree. He was an absolutely lovely, too smart for his own good, I miss him terribly kind of dog. (Not that I don't love my current dogs, but he was my first baby.)
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Post by Angel! on Jul 12, 2012 16:34:55 GMT -5
I will note, though I have no idea if this is the case here or not, that most sled type dogs I've met are not the love everybody types. I don't know, my husky seems to pretty much love anyone that wants to give him attention & is one of the sweetest dogs I've ever met. But that may not be the norm. He is also an awesome escape artists & definitely stubborn which are both husky traits.
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Post by zibazinski on Jul 12, 2012 16:35:30 GMT -5
You always remember your first.
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Post by 8 Bit WWBG on Jul 12, 2012 16:35:53 GMT -5
...:::"so not the type of dog some people would look super hard for the owner for.":::...
This is my thought. All the "lost dog" ads in the world don't make a difference if the person who found the dog does not WANT to return him.
...:::"If the theory is that the dog was the guys dog all along then he should have to pay that family all expenses they paid to take care of it for him. Fair is fair in my mind. If he isn't willing to pay their expenses then he doesn't really want the do In my mind.":::...
Hah! The rightful owner should pay for 2 years worth of expenses as soon the temporary owner returns the 2 years worth of time that the original owner was lost. Until that time is returned, the temporary owners don't deserve a penny.
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Post by 973beachbum on Jul 12, 2012 16:40:56 GMT -5
...:::"so not the type of dog some people would look super hard for the owner for.":::... This is my thought. All the "lost dog" ads in the world don't make a difference if the person who found the dog does not WANT to return him. ...:::"If the theory is that the dog was the guys dog all along then he should have to pay that family all expenses they paid to take care of it for him. Fair is fair in my mind. If he isn't willing to pay their expenses then he doesn't really want the do In my mind.":::... Hah! The rightful owner should pay for 2 years worth of expenses as soon the temporary owner returns the 2 years worth of time that the original owner was lost. Until that time is returned, the temporary owners don't deserve a penny. You don't know that they didn't try. Everyone is assuming that they didn't because the person who lost the dog says he didn't find him so that means they must not have. So it was 14 months instead of 24. My animal control will still have long since thrown out the notebook that they use to write these things in. All coppping that attitide will accomplish is to annoy people to the point that they will just call the pound and have the dog held for 7 days before putting it to sleep. If having more dogs killed is your intent then congratulations because it will work beutifully.
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Post by zibazinski on Jul 12, 2012 16:50:13 GMT -5
You know, IF it is his dog, he should be grateful that it has had a loving home for over a year as opposed to be killed or abused.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2012 16:50:19 GMT -5
I go with it is her dog. He lost the dog. Finders, keepers. Honestly, I just found the guy unlikable. I think it was the hyphenated name.
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