muttleynfelix
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Post by muttleynfelix on Jun 29, 2012 13:28:50 GMT -5
There has never been any research ever that has shown one drink while pregnant will cause a problem EVER. This is not about shifting research, this about getting better defined research as to what is harmful and what isn't. Both studies I posted were studies done after the fact. The women self reported how much they drank and the children were studied as to any effects. And there is not one study out there that can say for absolute certainly that any amount of alcohol is safe during pregnancy. Actually the second one I posted showed that drinking while pregnant is actually beneficial to the child.
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Post by midjd on Jun 29, 2012 13:28:51 GMT -5
I think you're projecting. NO ONE here has said, "I don't care if I'm pregnant, I'm getting plowed!" All anyone is saying is that they have the right to engage in activity that plenty of OBGYNs have deemed safe.
I assume you, Jenny, and the rest who are objecting avoided all BPA containers, lunch meat, unpasteurized milk/cheese, riding in automobiles, and all the other billion things pregnant women aren't supposed to do? If not, do you really have the right to judge?
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Post by midjd on Jun 29, 2012 13:30:15 GMT -5
Yes. You obviously don't love your baby, or you'd quit your job and stay indoors where it's safe
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Post by Sum Dum Gai on Jun 29, 2012 13:30:23 GMT -5
True. Just like I don't have to "endorse" the choice of fat people to have a second dessert. I think I'm going to open a bakery and institute that policy. Second dessert?? We're talking about baked goods, which are pure carbs and sugar, at least the good ones. I wouldn't even let fat people in the door. If they don't like it, tough. Go whine on my Facebook page. Or organize a protest and stand around outside the door calling me names, but that's a little too much like exercise, so I doubt it would happen. ETA - And since it's too hard to tell the difference between fat people and pregnant people, I wouldn't let the pregnant ones in either.
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Post by Firebird on Jun 29, 2012 13:33:12 GMT -5
And there is not one study out there that can say for absolute certainly that any amount of alcohol is safe during pregnancy.
I wonder if anyone's ever documented the lowest alcohol consumption of a mom who gave birth to a FAS kid. From what I've heard, the kids who have FAS are the ones whose moms were drinking heavily throughout their entire pregnancy. I'd frankly be stunned if anyone ever had a FAS kid on one glass of wine per month.
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Post by muttleynfelix on Jun 29, 2012 13:34:04 GMT -5
I don't understand the disgust. Go down to your local elementary school. Ask to talk to one of the special ed teachers. Ask her/him if you can sit in the back of their classroom for an hour one day. At the end of that day, talk to the teacher again, and find out how many of those kids will never live a normal life because of dumb ass choices their selfish mother made because she couldn't control herself for 9 months. If you still fell like playing russian roulette with your future kid after that, knock yourself out. I can't kiss you (because of distance and the fact that your wife would kick my ass!lol) but I am giving you Karma for this! I dont understand the "it's my body I will do what I want" without any regard to the life inside of them. OK, then you need to come take my Mt. Dew out of my hand and keep me from going to Subway, etc, etc. I engage in all sorts of "risky" f#$king behavior while pregnant. Thus pregnancy I would prefer to have McDonald's breakfast burrito meal every single breakfast with a coke. If I did that every morning of my pregnancy (once again approximagely 266 mornings), I do believe the 900 calories and over 1900 mg of sodium would be detrimental to my baby. In fact more detrimental than the one drink of wine you are trying to prevent me from having. However, it is socially acceptable for me to McDs every morning while pregnant and yet everyone is going throwing a fucking cow if I have one theoretical glass of wine.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Jun 29, 2012 13:35:53 GMT -5
True. Just like I don't have to "endorse" the choice of fat people to have a second dessert. I think I'm going to open a bakery and institute that policy.
And that's your right. Hopefully though fat people are not a major source of clientele for you because you'll find yourself out of business.
If they aren't policy away, it isn't really going to hurt your business all that much.
I would assume that the place that denied a pregnant lady alcohol do not lose so much business that it hurt them. Is it still stupid and unfair, yes.
BUT it is legal and a business has the right to make any dumb decisions it wants and if it doesn't hurt them, bully for them. If it hurts them then that is the cost of being stupid.
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Post by Firebird on Jun 29, 2012 13:36:44 GMT -5
Go down to your local elementary school. Ask to talk to one of the special ed teachers. Ask her/him if you can sit in the back of their classroom for an hour one day. At the end of that day, talk to the teacher again, and find out how many of those kids will never live a normal life because of dumb ass choices their selfish mother made because she couldn't control herself for 9 months.
I'm not talking about binge drinking or doing crack cocaine. There's a standard of reasonableness here. There's a huge difference between a glass of wine with a good meal and five shots of tequila while you're out clubbing.
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Post by Firebird on Jun 29, 2012 13:38:51 GMT -5
Yes. You obviously don't love your baby, or you'd quit your job and stay indoors where it's safe I dunno, what if I fall down the stairs? But the bathroom is upstairs... balls, what a dilemma... ;D
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Post by Firebird on Jun 29, 2012 13:40:29 GMT -5
OK, then you need to come take my Mt. Dew out of my hand and keep me from going to Subway, etc, etc. I engage in all sorts of "risky" f#$king behavior while pregnant. Thus pregnancy I would prefer to have McDonald's breakfast burrito meal every single breakfast with a coke. muttley, you and I don't deserve to be mommies. Someone needs to come yank our kids away as soon as we give birth to them.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Jun 29, 2012 13:40:51 GMT -5
Pee in a coffee can, problem solved. If you can pee in the cups the doctor gives you you should be able to hit a coffee can.
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Post by Sum Dum Gai on Jun 29, 2012 13:41:02 GMT -5
OK, then you need to come take my Mt. Dew out of my hand and keep me from going to Subway, etc, etc. If I was your husband the Mt. Dew wouldn't be OK either, and I'll give you the same disgusted looks I give pregnant women drinking if I see you swilling that crap in public. Caffeine is a drug. Alcohol is a drug. I personally find a woman drugging her unborn child disgusting. I won't try to force my views on anyone, but I'm not giving them up either. Your child has to spend their entire lives living with the stupid choices you make during those nine months. In my personal opinion if that's not enough to make you pull your head out of your ass and clean up your diet and habits for nine months, you probably aren't ready to be a parent. That's just my opinion though. You don't have to like it, hell you don't even have to tolerate it. However, if I open a business and institute policies in line with those beliefs, your choices are to deal with it in my establishment or go somewhere else.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Jun 29, 2012 13:41:11 GMT -5
I think you're projecting. NO ONE here has said, "I don't care if I'm pregnant, I'm getting plowed!" All anyone is saying is that they have the right to engage in activity that plenty of OBGYNs have deemed safe. I assume you, Jenny, and the rest who are objecting avoided all BPA containers, lunch meat, unpasteurized milk/cheese, riding in automobiles, and all the other billion things pregnant women aren't supposed to do? If not, do you really have the right to judge? And plenty of OBGYNS deem it unsafe... And I did avoid BPA containers, lunch meat, I never ate unpasteurized milk (ewww) and an entire list of things that were potentially harmful to my baby. Becuase the minute I found out I was pregnant my only concern was for the safety of my child. I can't understand that all moms dont' take their child's safety as seriously.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2012 13:41:51 GMT -5
Alright, you guys are getting really "extra" with this whole argument. I've stated my peace. Good day.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Jun 29, 2012 13:42:11 GMT -5
OK, then you need to come take my Mt. Dew out of my hand and keep me from going to Subway, etc, etc. If I was your husband the Mt. Dew wouldn't be OK either, and I'll give you the same disgusted looks I give pregnant women drinking if I see you swilling that crap in public. Caffeine is a drug. Alcohol is a drug. I personally find a woman drugging her unborn child disgusting. I won't try to force my views on anyone, but I'm not giving them up either. Your child has to spend their entire lives living with the stupid choices you make during those nine months. In my personal opinion if that's not enough to make you pull your head out of your ass and clean up your diet and habits for nine months, you probably aren't ready to be a parent. That's just my opinion though. You don't have to like it, hell you don't even have to tolerate it. However, if I open a business and institute policies in line with those beliefs, your choices are to deal with it in my establishment or go somewhere else. yep...and my husband was even more of a nazi then I was...but I didn't get mad, that just showed that he cared about the health of his baby.
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Post by Sum Dum Gai on Jun 29, 2012 13:43:06 GMT -5
There's a huge difference between a glass of wine with a good meal and five shots of tequila while you're out clubbing. Depends entirely on the alcohol content of the wine and the size of the glass. A glass of wine is actually something like 4 ounces. Most restaurant glasses are at least double that. So you might only have one glass, but you actually had two or three drinks.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2012 13:43:31 GMT -5
The decisions made while pregnant are the first decisions you make as a parent. Do you want other people to tell you how you should be parenting your children?
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Post by midjd on Jun 29, 2012 13:44:51 GMT -5
I do hope YM is still around in 20 years so we can see how everyone's perfect parenting turned out
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Post by Firebird on Jun 29, 2012 13:45:15 GMT -5
I can't understand that all moms dont' take their child's safety as seriously.I do take it seriously. So does DH. We just have different definitions of what constitutes reasonable, I guess Hey Drama, I think I've finally got my bad YM mother card! And my baby isn't even here yet! I should get double points for that
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Post by Sum Dum Gai on Jun 29, 2012 13:47:56 GMT -5
Do you want other people to tell you how you should be parenting your children? Sometimes. Parents ask for advice about stuff all the time. If I'm out in public and doing something that's obviously harming my child, I'd expect people to intervene. Is one glass of wine with dinner going to harm a fetus... probably not. If I saw a pregnant woman in the club downing shots of tequila I'd say something though. What kind of despicable douche would stand by and watch a kid/baby getting hurt without saying anything?
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Post by Miss Tequila on Jun 29, 2012 13:48:08 GMT -5
Alright, you guys are getting really "extra" with this whole argument. I've stated my peace. Good day. no...you cant leave me alone to fight the good fight
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Post by Miss Tequila on Jun 29, 2012 13:48:52 GMT -5
The decisions made while pregnant are the first decisions you make as a parent. Do you want other people to tell you how you should be parenting your children? If I was giving my chiild alcohol, I would want someone to step in.
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Post by muttleynfelix on Jun 29, 2012 13:48:59 GMT -5
OK, then you need to come take my Mt. Dew out of my hand and keep me from going to Subway, etc, etc. If I was your husband the Mt. Dew wouldn't be OK either, and I'll give you the same disgusted looks I give pregnant women drinking if I see you swilling that crap in public. Caffeine is a drug. Alcohol is a drug. I personally find a woman drugging her unborn child disgusting. I won't try to force my views on anyone, but I'm not giving them up either. Your child has to spend their entire lives living with the stupid choices you make during those nine months. In my personal opinion if that's not enough to make you pull your head out of your ass and clean up your diet and habits for nine months, you probably aren't ready to be a parent. That's just my opinion though. You don't have to like it, hell you don't even have to tolerate it. However, if I open a business and institute policies in line with those beliefs, your choices are to deal with it in my establishment or go somewhere else. Except you aren't in my body right now. YOu don't know that I've thrown up everything I've ingested this pregnancy at least once. At this point I'm on fucking survival mode and drinking waterdown Mt. Dew stays down better than anything else. SO, give me that disgusted look, but if you take away my Mt. Dew, I may end up throwing up on you. I would love to do everything fucking perfect. I would love to fucking out there exercising every morning like i was prepregnancy, but I am too fucking sick and too fucking tired and too dizzy to much but argue with assholes from my fucking computer. It is so much fucking fun throwing up during my work day to the point i pee my fucking pants. So, you want to be the fucking morality police on me, go fucking ahead. Like I said, I'll just throw up on you.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2012 13:49:59 GMT -5
No one....but you are coming down on the women saying they've indulged in a glass of wine here and there. NO ONE on this thread said they were binge drinking all the way up until they were 10 cm dilated.
And for the record, I gave up alcohol and smoking when I was pregnant. I drew the line at caffeine. But I reduced that to 2 cups a day.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Jun 29, 2012 13:50:13 GMT -5
Do you want other people to tell you how you should be parenting your children? Sometimes. Parents ask for advice about stuff all the time. If I'm out in public and doing something that's obviously harming my child, I'd expect people to intervene. Is one glass of wine with dinner going to harm a fetus... probably not. If I saw a pregnant woman in the club downing shots of tequila I'd say something though. What kind of despicable douche would stand by and watch a kid/baby getting hurt without saying anything?
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Post by swamp on Jun 29, 2012 13:50:29 GMT -5
What?! I'm an elephant. Didn't you guys know that?
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Post by Sum Dum Gai on Jun 29, 2012 13:51:38 GMT -5
Don't get worked up, the stress is bad for the baby!
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Post by mandyms on Jun 29, 2012 13:52:25 GMT -5
OK, then you need to come take my Mt. Dew out of my hand and keep me from going to Subway, etc, etc. If I was your husband the Mt. Dew wouldn't be OK either, and I'll give you the same disgusted looks I give pregnant women drinking if I see you swilling that crap in public. Caffeine is a drug. Alcohol is a drug. I personally find a woman drugging her unborn child disgusting. I won't try to force my views on anyone, but I'm not giving them up either. Your child has to spend their entire lives living with the stupid choices you make during those nine months. In my personal opinion if that's not enough to make you pull your head out of your ass and clean up your diet and habits for nine months, you probably aren't ready to be a parent. That's just my opinion though. You don't have to like it, hell you don't even have to tolerate it. However, if I open a business and institute policies in line with those beliefs, your choices are to deal with it in my establishment or go somewhere else. yep...and my husband was even more of a nazi then I was...but I didn't get mad, that just showed that he cared about the health of his baby. Out of curiosity: Did he follow the same restrictions for your whole pregnancy too?
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Post by Miss Tequila on Jun 29, 2012 13:52:49 GMT -5
No one....but you are coming down on the women saying they've indulged in a glass of wine here and there. NO ONE on this thread said they were binge drinking all the way up until they were 10 cm dilated. And for the record, I gave up alcohol and smoking when I was pregnant. I drew the line at caffeine. But I reduced that to 2 cups a day. Why did you give it up? Probably for the same reason I did....becuase it wasn't worth the risk? I'm not trying to come down on anyone...but I disagree with taking any risks with an unborn child. I dont' care what an adult does, but when there is a life depending on your decisions, that life should always come first. So a new study has come out in the last few weeks claimign alcohol to be ok...what about the others saying it's not ok? that proves that studies are not reliable.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Jun 29, 2012 13:53:50 GMT -5
yep...and my husband was even more of a nazi then I was...but I didn't get mad, that just showed that he cared about the health of his baby. Out of curiosity: Did he follow the same restrictions for your whole pregnancy too? Why should he have to? The life of our baby wasn't dependent on what he did. To be fair, my husband is extremely health concscious...he rarely drinks alcohol or caffeine, doesn't eat lunch meat,e tc....he probably did follow the rules because he did before I got pregnant....
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