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Post by Firebird on Jun 29, 2012 16:56:59 GMT -5
This is the internet, for all you know I only pretend to be a man! I've seen you in person, so if you're really a woman... um... well done on the cross dressing?
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Post by muttleynfelix on Jun 29, 2012 16:59:44 GMT -5
[quote author=admin board=offtopic thread=24182 post=1119160 time=1341006688muttly, as far as I'm concerned, anyone who hasn't been through debilitating morning sickness has no right to judge. You do what you have to do to get through it. [/quote] Thanks. Things have been looking a bit better on the puking front this week, now it is the exhaustion, dizziness, coupled with extreme heat and chasing a 2.5 yo to navigate.
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Post by Sum Dum Gai on Jun 29, 2012 17:04:41 GMT -5
I've seen you in person, so if you're really a woman... um... well done on the cross dressing? Any EE folks still reading? Now do you see why I left you guys? My talents are actually appreciated over here.
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Post by Firebird on Jun 29, 2012 17:09:18 GMT -5
My talents are actually appreciated over here. I think Dark appreciates Dark enough for all of us.
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Post by Sum Dum Gai on Jun 29, 2012 17:11:29 GMT -5
I think Dark appreciates Dark enough for all of us. You know I only do that every other Tuesday, unless that happens to be a full moon. That's not really all that much.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2012 17:24:02 GMT -5
My daughter is a pharmacist, and she drank occasionally in the latter stages of all her pregnancies. She said once you get past a certain point, it is ok to have an occasional glass of wine. I do not know what that point was, but she did. I had my kids in the 1970s. I don't remember if I drank while I was pregnant or not. I didn't drink much . . . maybe an occasional frozen drink if at all. But I did smoke. The only warning back then was that babies of mothers who smoke were of lower birth weight. I didn't particularly want large babies. Lol. My daughter was 7 pounds, 7 ounces, and my son was 7 pounds, 14 ounces. How much larger would they have been? Of course, now there are lots of reasons not to smoke, pregnant or not. (I quit fourteen or fifteen years ago . . . so long ago that I can no longer remember the year.) Unborn babies are a much more protected class than they were back then. I am not talking about abortion. We just didn't worry so much if we had too much caffeine while pregnant (yep, several cokes a day), etc.
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Post by Firebird on Jun 29, 2012 17:31:23 GMT -5
She said once you get past a certain point, it is ok to have an occasional glass of wine. I do not know what that point was, but she did.After the kid comes out
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Post by cottoncandyclouds on Jun 29, 2012 18:47:29 GMT -5
I hardly post outside of some of the EE threads, but this thread hit close to home for me. I was pregnant when I was a teenager, and my child died shortly before her third birthday. I still wonder to this day if I did something wrong when I was pregnant. Were the few things that, in my naive age , I refused to give up in any way responsible for my little girl's leukemia? To this day I so hope they weren't but no one is able to without a doubt tell me they were or weren't. I'm not advocating here that anyone who does have one drink is hurting their baby. What I'm saying is that you can do EVERYTHING that you think is right, and something like this can still happen to you.
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Post by Firebird on Jun 29, 2012 18:49:14 GMT -5
cottoncandycloud. I'm so sorry. No parent should ever have to bury a child.
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Post by ken a.k.a OMK on Jun 29, 2012 18:56:30 GMT -5
I hardly post outside of some of the EE threads, but this thread hit close to home for me. I was pregnant when I was a teenager, and my child died shortly before her third birthday. I still wonder to this day if I did something wrong when I was pregnant. Were the few things that, in my naive age , I refused to give up in any way responsible for my little girl's leukemia? To this day I so hope they weren't but no one is able to without a doubt tell me they were or weren't. I'm not advocating here that anyone who does have one drink is hurting their baby. What I'm saying is that you can do EVERYTHING that you think is right, and something like this can still happen to you. It was probably nothing you did wrong. Being that young could cause some problems. We lost our first son at 12 from a calcium deposit on his pituitary glad he was born with. None of our pediatricians picked up this until he complained about headaches. ETA,,,yes Firebird. It hurts forever.
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Post by tallguy on Jul 7, 2012 23:00:03 GMT -5
(Rita Rudner, I think.)
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Post by zibazinski on Jul 8, 2012 6:55:46 GMT -5
I had 4 obgyns and they all said later on was fine but no more than one glass of wine. In fact, with DD, I had so many false labor signs that they said to drink and if they didn't stop, I was in real labor. Alcohol will stop Braxton Hicks.
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Post by Opti on Jul 9, 2012 12:09:04 GMT -5
"I used that argumetn earlier!lol My mom was told to continue smoke because the stress of quitting would be harder on me...can you imagine such ludicrous advice today???lol" I actually have heard that recently from somebody. So they may still be giving the same exact advice. I know 2 women who smoked during pregnancy, one has a daughter with asthma, the other's baby died 6 weeks after birth (had heart surgery). I don't know and I am sure they don't know if smoking caused it but how would you not blame yourself in that situation? I wonder if the daughter who has asthma got from her Mom smoking while pregnant, her Mom smoking in her presence post birth, or a combination of the two. My Dad used to smoke pipes when I was young and some visitors were allowed to smoke cigarettes in the house as well. I may finally have 100% lung function now but as a child I regularly tested in the 80-90% range I think because of my exposure as a child. My Mom never smoked. I am also pretty sensitive to smoke as well. Because of that seeing smoking in the presence of young children bothers me.
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Post by Opti on Jul 9, 2012 12:28:31 GMT -5
"I had a drink ONLY after four different OB/GYNs told me it was safe, coupled with knowing that all of my friends gave birth to healthy children with perfect brains." God forbid if something were to happen, would you think alcohol had anything to do with it? They used to do xrays instead of ultrasounds, a lot of people turned out okay, that doesn't mean xrays aren't harmful. The doctors have gotten the no alcohol message for pregnant women out there in this country so well that logic doesn't seem to enter in to it. If any alcohol was bad and caused long term damage to the fetus shouldn't France and Italy as countries be doing really horrible because most of them should have been exposed to alcohol pre-birth? As a degreed engineer it wouldn't occur to me that one drink over an entire pregnancy could affect the baby so drastically especially if it was in the last trimester. I'd be more concerned if I discovered someone had slipped rat poison or cyanide in my food once. (Thinking of that crazy MIL story.)
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2012 13:45:22 GMT -5
"I used that argumetn earlier!lol My mom was told to continue smoke because the stress of quitting would be harder on me...can you imagine such ludicrous advice today???lol" I actually have heard that recently from somebody. So they may still be giving the same exact advice. I know 2 women who smoked during pregnancy, one has a daughter with asthma, the other's baby died 6 weeks after birth (had heart surgery). I don't know and I am sure they don't know if smoking caused it but how would you not blame yourself in that situation? I wonder if the daughter who has asthma got from her Mom smoking while pregnant, her Mom smoking in her presence post birth, or a combination of the two. My Dad used to smoke pipes when I was young and some visitors were allowed to smoke cigarettes in the house as well. I may finally have 100% lung function now but as a child I regularly tested in the 80-90% range I think because of my exposure as a child. My Mom never smoked. I am also pretty sensitive to smoke as well. Because of that seeing smoking in the presence of young children bothers meI agree with that, as a kid I could never get away from my smoking mother, even when I could not breathe. I was really happy when it was put on the ballet that it would be illegal to smoke in the car with minor children. It did not pass but I liked it. It is not like these kids can remove themselves.
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Post by Firebird on Jul 9, 2012 13:49:26 GMT -5
I agree with that, as a kid I could never get away from my smoking mother, even when I could not breathe. I was really happy when it was put on the ballet that it would be illegal to smoke in the car with minor children. It did not pass but I liked it. It is not like these kids can remove themselves. DH still insists he's going to quit when Babybird arrives, but whether he does or not I am confident that she's not going to be exposed to much smoke, if any. He's already very, very careful about never smoking anywhere near children (or any other non-smokers). You can't detect even the faintest odor of cigarette smoke in our house. And we've agreed that if he DOESN'T quit, he'll change his shirt every time he comes in from smoking.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2012 14:46:59 GMT -5
I hadn't thought of this before but I think restaurants should absolutely deny serving alcohol to pregnant women for, if nothing else, to avoid law suits. Everybody seems to be lawsuit happy and if there was a problem because of the alcohol served to a pregnant woman, they could sue the restaurant. It is like the casinos here. They used to have free alcohol, now they don't because some idiot drank too much and lost all his money and sued the casino saying they got him drunk and took his money. As long as people do not know how to take personal responsibility, businesses need to protect themselves.
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Post by Firebird on Jul 9, 2012 14:50:33 GMT -5
I hadn't thought of this before but I think restaurants should absolutely deny serving alcohol to pregnant women for, if nothing else, to avoid law suits.
We do live in a litigious society, so this is a fair point.
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Post by Chocolate Lover on Jul 9, 2012 14:54:26 GMT -5
I've seen you in person, so if you're really a woman... um... well done on the cross dressing? Any EE folks still reading? Now do you see why I left you guys? My talents are actually appreciated over here. Unappreciated??? YOU? ? What a selective memory you have.
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Post by happyhoix on Jul 9, 2012 15:52:49 GMT -5
I hadn't thought of this before but I think restaurants should absolutely deny serving alcohol to pregnant women for, if nothing else, to avoid law suits. Everybody seems to be lawsuit happy and if there was a problem because of the alcohol served to a pregnant woman, they could sue the restaurant. It is like the casinos here. They used to have free alcohol, now they don't because some idiot drank too much and lost all his money and sued the casino saying they got him drunk and took his money. As long as people do not know how to take personal responsibility, businesses need to protect themselves. Yes but how would you know they're pregnant? Most women don't show for a while - usually 3 or 4 months at least before there is a baby bump. Then there are the fluffy women, would you make them all pee on a stick to make sure they are fat and not pregnant? You couldn't be allowed to discriminate, you'd have to make ALL the women pee on sticks - and then you'd have to make all the men pee on sticks, too, just so you're not picking on the women. Could get out of hand fast.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2012 15:55:05 GMT -5
"Yes but how would you know they're pregnant? Most women don't show for a while - usually 3 or 4 months at least before there is a baby bump. Then there are the fluffy women, would you make them all pee on a stick to make sure they are fat and not pregnant? You couldn't be allowed to discriminate, you'd have to make ALL the women pee on sticks - and then you'd have to make all the men pee on sticks, too, just so you're not picking on the women. Could get out of hand fast." I was thinking for obviously pregnant women but then I quickly remembered last summer when I asked a woman when she was due and she said "Oh I am not pregnant, I am just fat". I felt awful but she really didn't look fat, she looked pregnant. So you are right, I don't know how they could know... maybe make all women sign a waiver?
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Post by raeoflyte on Jul 9, 2012 15:56:45 GMT -5
I hadn't thought of this before but I think restaurants should absolutely deny serving alcohol to pregnant women for, if nothing else, to avoid law suits. Everybody seems to be lawsuit happy and if there was a problem because of the alcohol served to a pregnant woman, they could sue the restaurant. It is like the casinos here. They used to have free alcohol, now they don't because some idiot drank too much and lost all his money and sued the casino saying they got him drunk and took his money. As long as people do not know how to take personal responsibility, businesses need to protect themselves. Yes but how would you know they're pregnant? Most women don't show for a while - usually 3 or 4 months at least before there is a baby bump. Then there are the fluffy women, would you make them all pee on a stick to make sure they are fat and not pregnant? You couldn't be allowed to discriminate, you'd have to make ALL the women pee on sticks - and then you'd have to make all the men pee on sticks, too, just so you're not picking on the women. Could get out of hand fast. I'm 20 weeks and unless you *know* I'm pregnant you'd just assume that I was putting on weight.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2012 16:04:31 GMT -5
"I'm 20 weeks and unless you *know* I'm pregnant you'd just assume that I was putting on weight" Congratulations When I was pregnant, there were days where I looked pregnant but there were also days I felt I looked just fat. I never got to the full belly so it could have been just extra 10 lbs on my belly for anybody who didn't know I was pregnant.
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Post by muttleynfelix on Jul 9, 2012 16:48:38 GMT -5
Yes but how would you know they're pregnant? Most women don't show for a while - usually 3 or 4 months at least before there is a baby bump. Then there are the fluffy women, would you make them all pee on a stick to make sure they are fat and not pregnant? You couldn't be allowed to discriminate, you'd have to make ALL the women pee on sticks - and then you'd have to make all the men pee on sticks, too, just so you're not picking on the women. Could get out of hand fast. I'm 20 weeks and unless you *know* I'm pregnant you'd just assume that I was putting on weight. Only I'm 15 weeks pregnant. There are somedays when I have a belly and somedays I don't but even when I make off-handed comments about being pregnant people who don't know just kind of look at me funny. Heck I get funny looks at prenatal yoga because pretty much everyone else is in the 3rd trimester.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2012 6:52:03 GMT -5
what if restaurants had their servers state "and as restaurant policy we do not serve alcohol to pregnant women" in their beginning speech at each table they wait on? That way people will know that upfront, even if they don't have any pregnant women in their party at the time.
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Post by Firebird on Jul 10, 2012 10:25:28 GMT -5
That seems like overkill, even to me... if I were a non-pregnant woman in that party, it would make me wonder if I LOOKED pregnant and that's why the server was mentioning the policy! Maybe a sign up front or a small note over the cocktail menu? Something a server could easily reference if an obviously pregnant woman ordered a drink? I still feel sorry for servers trying to make this distinction though. You really don't want to be the person making that particular mistake.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2012 10:28:43 GMT -5
a note on the cocktail menu would be a good idea, as well as a note on the general drink menu.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2012 10:29:20 GMT -5
I hadn't thought of this before but I think restaurants should absolutely deny serving alcohol to pregnant women for, if nothing else, to avoid law suits. Everybody seems to be lawsuit happy and if there was a problem because of the alcohol served to a pregnant woman, they could sue the restaurant. It is like the casinos here. They used to have free alcohol, now they don't because some idiot drank too much and lost all his money and sued the casino saying they got him drunk and took his money. As long as people do not know how to take personal responsibility, businesses need to protect themselves. What state are these casinos? I'd like to avoid them, I like my free alcohol when I gamble.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2012 10:52:53 GMT -5
St. Louis, Missouri.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2012 11:12:57 GMT -5
Thank you. I am spoiled by Nevada's casinos. I refused to go to the Indian casinos in Ca and in NY because I got used to the perks in Neveda.
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