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Post by swamp on Jun 29, 2012 15:03:35 GMT -5
"I'm sorry I started this thread." Why? What is the point if everybody will just agree to everything? Then why are you berating people who disagree with you?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2012 15:03:36 GMT -5
No disrespect Firebird, but I'm not sure why this thread was started. It's up there with abortion and religion - one of those topics that does nothing but rile people up....
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Post by Miss Tequila on Jun 29, 2012 15:03:39 GMT -5
And my obgyn said it was absolutely not safe...actually, I had two different obgyns (two pregnancies) and they both told me it was not safe.... I said earlier we would agree to disagree 2000 vs. 2012. Different advice now. The problem is, I still see lots all of the same orginazations claiming that there is still no safe level of alcohol... Actually...I have my female appt coming up...If I remeber I am going to ask my gyn his views on this...he was a staunch "no alcohol" guy when I had my last baby...
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Post by Miss Tequila on Jun 29, 2012 15:04:00 GMT -5
No disrespect Firebird, but I'm not sure why this thread was started. It's up there with abortion and religion - one of those topics that does nothing but rile people up.... Jen, you just had a baby...what advice were you given??
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2012 15:04:10 GMT -5
That is nice, I've actually read the research. Many of these organizations are composed of people who have never done one single bit of biological research or even have the ability to read a scientific paper. Some of them, yes, but most no. I'll take the actually research over someone's opinion of it, thank you. And I will take the word of the American College of Obsteticians, the ACOG and various other organizations thoughts on the matter over some random internet poster...tyvm yeah, I posted links earlier from each of these organizations saying NO amount of alchol has been proven safe. I can post the actually research it was based off of. Do any of your websites actually reference the research they are basing their opinions on? I would not expect you to listen to me, I would hope you would read the research and not take anyone's opinion over actual fact. But to say that the research says you should not have one drink is completely and utterly false and I can back that up.
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Post by chiver78 on Jun 29, 2012 15:04:18 GMT -5
hmm....my parents used to rub whiskey on my gums when I was teething. I suppose that's about as well-received by some of you as slipping a kid a little Benadryl before a flight. So did my mom...but I also think she sucked as a parent so I'm certainly not clinging to anything she did mine also chain-smoked throughout both her pregnancies. my sis and I were both in the low 5lb range at birth, but scored max on the Apgar (I think that's what it's called) and have both grown up to be productive members of society. goes to show you, even the best of intentions and medical advice don't guarantee a successful pregnancy. value what is here, do the best you can, and don't sweat the small stuff.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Jun 29, 2012 15:05:59 GMT -5
"I'm sorry I started this thread." Why? What is the point if everybody will just agree to everything? Then why are you berating people who disagree with you? I don't think that is a fair statement...I disagree completely with drinking during pregnancy but I do not think I am berating anyone...and bunnysmom has been a hell of a lot softer in her posts than I am...earlier I was a little rougher and I acknowledged that and reined it in...but I honestly didn't see the poster you quoted berating anyone.
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Post by swamp on Jun 29, 2012 15:06:34 GMT -5
No disrespect Firebird, but I'm not sure why this thread was started. It's up there with abortion and religion - one of those topics that does nothing but rile people up.... Jen, you just had a baby...what advice were you given?? My sister is an OB-GYN. Her official advice to her patients is "no alchol" because we dont' know what is safe. Her unofficial advice to friends and family members is "one glass after the baby has all its parts is safe but we don't tell people that because there are too many morons out there who think one drink is a bottle of wine."
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Jun 29, 2012 15:06:39 GMT -5
What do the pro drinking while pregnant studies say about 12 oz glasses of higher alcohol wines, so you're getting the equivalent of 5 drinks over the course of a meal? Is that fine, cause it all came in one glass, or are you now binge drinking while pregnant and that's bad
Yeah that is why I didn't drink. I am horrible at eyeballing/guesstimating how much alcohol is in there.
I got totally plastered on rum/cokes at a bar once (not pregnant). She filled 3/4 of the glass with run and just a teeny splash of coke. After 5 of them made that way I was hosed, I am pretty sure I probably consumed twice that amount of alcohol.
I figured it was better to be safe rather than trust that the bartender is actually measuring the booze properly.
Plus I don't drink that often anyhow, so it wasn't a big deal.
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Post by swamp on Jun 29, 2012 15:07:01 GMT -5
Then why are you berating people who disagree with you? I don't think that is a fair statement...I disagree completely with drinking during pregnancy but I do not think I am berating anyone...and bunnysmom has been a hell of a lot softer in her posts than I am...earlier I was a little rougher and I acknowledged that and reined it in...but I honestly didn't see the poster you quoted berating anyone. I'm not referring to you.
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Post by Firebird on Jun 29, 2012 15:07:32 GMT -5
"I'm sorry I started this thread." Why? What is the point if everybody will just agree to everything? It went from interesting discussion to very upsetting (for me) in a big hurry.
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Post by justme on Jun 29, 2012 15:08:01 GMT -5
Does anyone have studies from European entities re: alochol while pregnant? I've only ever seen it from American organizations, and as I don't plan to be pregnant anytime soon I've never been inclined to research it, but I always hear that in Europe it's common for women to drink a glass throughout pregnancy. It'd be interesting to see what European entities say on the subject.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Jun 29, 2012 15:08:52 GMT -5
I don't think that is a fair statement...I disagree completely with drinking during pregnancy but I do not think I am berating anyone...and bunnysmom has been a hell of a lot softer in her posts than I am...earlier I was a little rougher and I acknowledged that and reined it in...but I honestly didn't see the poster you quoted berating anyone. I'm not referring to you. I know...but I was rougher than the poster you were talking to!lol I didn't think she was berating anyone...she just disagrees with 98% of the posters here...now she knows what I feel like :-p
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2012 15:09:48 GMT -5
Does anyone have studies from European entities re: alochol while pregnant? I've only ever seen it from American organizations, and as I don't plan to be pregnant anytime soon I've never been inclined to research it, but I always hear that in Europe it's common for women to drink a glass throughout pregnancy. It'd be interesting to see what European entities say on the subject. Do you want the studies or the European medical opinions?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2012 15:10:06 GMT -5
"It went from interesting discussion to very upsetting (for me) in a big hurry. "
You don't need to be upset. We all know you care very much about your baby and that you will be a very good mom.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2012 15:10:35 GMT -5
No disrespect Firebird, but I'm not sure why this thread was started. It's up there with abortion and religion - one of those topics that does nothing but rile people up.... Jen, you just had a baby...what advice were you given?? No alcohol, no cigs, no lunchmeat/cured meats, limit seafood. I stuck to all of those. Except the occasional slice of bacon.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Jun 29, 2012 15:11:35 GMT -5
Jen, you just had a baby...what advice were you given?? No alcohol, no cigs, no lunchmeat/cured meats, limit seafood. I stuck to all of those. Except the occasional slice of bacon. Yep, that's what I was told, too...no canned tuna (I think it was mercury) or else I was supposed to only have a very limited amount, I can't remember...but the thought of tuna made me want to puke!lol
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Post by swamp on Jun 29, 2012 15:11:45 GMT -5
Jen, you just had a baby...what advice were you given?? No alcohol, no cigs, no lunchmeat/cured meats, limit seafood. I stuck to all of those. Except the occasional slice of bacon. I'd find a new doctor. Actually, I was told "I can give you a list of what you should and shouldn't eat, but my experience is pregnant women will eat what they feel like eating. You're smart, you know what good nutrition is, do what you think is right." And I threw everything up anyway.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2012 15:12:06 GMT -5
"Then why are you berating people who disagree with you? "
I didn't realize I was berating anyone for disagreeing. I am just stating my opinion from what I recently went through and I didn't even drink alcohol or smoke or do any of the contraversial things during my pregnancy, yet I feel very responsible. I would not wish what I went through on anybody and the feelings that came with it.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Jun 29, 2012 15:12:31 GMT -5
I was told no cigs, no alcohol, no hard drugs. Everything else use common sense. When in doubt refrain or call the nurses line.
I also had my list of approved/not approved drugs for various aliments. Thank god Pepcid is on the approved list, it was the only thing that got rid of my heartburn.
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Post by justme on Jun 29, 2012 15:12:33 GMT -5
Does anyone have studies from European entities re: alochol while pregnant? I've only ever seen it from American organizations, and as I don't plan to be pregnant anytime soon I've never been inclined to research it, but I always hear that in Europe it's common for women to drink a glass throughout pregnancy. It'd be interesting to see what European entities say on the subject. Do you want the studies or the European medical opinions? I would assume they would be in line with each other, though you asking makes me wonder if that's true?
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Post by Firebird on Jun 29, 2012 15:13:57 GMT -5
"It went from interesting discussion to very upsetting (for me) in a big hurry. " You don't need to be upset. We all know you care very much about your baby and that you will be a very good mom. Or at least you thought so before you found out I was drugging my kid and risking her being mentally retarded because I'm too immature to do the right thing, right?
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Post by milee on Jun 29, 2012 15:14:08 GMT -5
"It went from interesting discussion to very upsetting (for me) in a big hurry. " You don't need to be upset. We all know you care very much about your baby and that you will be a very good mom. Not sure if you have anyone around you that has said this but the same is true of you as well. You obviously love your baby very much. Whatever coke or tea you drank probably was not the cause of the prematurity, but even more importantly, we all know that whatever decisions you made weren't because you didn't love your baby or want the best for him. Like most moms, you love your baby and whatever choices you made were the best ones you could have made with the information you knew at the time. Stop beating yourself up.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2012 15:14:20 GMT -5
"I'm sorry I started this thread." Why? What is the point if everybody will just agree to everything? It went from interesting discussion to very upsetting (for me) in a big hurry. Lots of people will be telling you that you don't care about your kid if you do/don't do XYZ. Once you find your own way that works, just tell them where to shove it. You will NEVER get me to be okay with drinking while pregnant. And I'm sure I do things that you feel strongly against as well. We are human, we judge.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Jun 29, 2012 15:15:09 GMT -5
"It went from interesting discussion to very upsetting (for me) in a big hurry. " You don't need to be upset. We all know you care very much about your baby and that you will be a very good mom. Not sure if you have anyone around you that has said this but the same is true of you as well. You obviously love your baby very much. Whatever coke or tea you drank probably was not the cause of the prematurity, but even more importantly, we all know that whatever decisions you made weren't because you didn't love your baby or want the best for him. Like most moms, you love your baby and whatever choices you made were the best ones you could have made with the information you knew at the time. Stop beating yourself up. milee, that was an awesome post...I was so into this thread I didn't even really think about what she was saying...
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Post by Miss Tequila on Jun 29, 2012 15:16:46 GMT -5
It went from interesting discussion to very upsetting (for me) in a big hurry. Lots of people will be telling you that you don't care about your kid if you do/don't do XYZ. Once you find your own way that works, just tell them where to shove it. You will NEVER get me to be okay with drinking while pregnant. And I'm sure I do things that you feel strongly against as well. We are human, we judge. that's what I said like 3 pages ago! We are human...if we disagree with something we judge...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2012 15:16:58 GMT -5
No alcohol, no cigs, no lunchmeat/cured meats, limit seafood. I stuck to all of those. Except the occasional slice of bacon. I'd find a new doctor. Actually, I was told "I can give you a list of what you should and shouldn't eat, but my experience is pregnant women will eat what they feel like eating. You're smart, you know what good nutrition is, do what you think is right." And I threw everything up anyway. Each doctor is different. And aside from wanting pepperoni, I really didn't have a peobl with those guidelines. Oh, I did binge on chocolate one day until I realized it had caffeine.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Jun 29, 2012 15:18:03 GMT -5
"It went from interesting discussion to very upsetting (for me) in a big hurry. " You don't need to be upset. We all know you care very much about your baby and that you will be a very good mom. Or at least you thought so before you found out I was drugging my kid and risking get being mentally retarded because I'm too immature to do the right thing, right? LOL...oy, see...these kind of topics shouldn't be discussed...we all have our own opinions and ultimately someone's feelings get hurt.
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Post by Firebird on Jun 29, 2012 15:19:12 GMT -5
It went from interesting discussion to very upsetting (for me) in a big hurry. Lots of people will be telling you that you don't care about your kid if you do/don't do XYZ. Once you find your own way that works, just tell them where to shove it. You will NEVER get me to be okay with drinking while pregnant. And I'm sure I do things that you feel strongly against as well. We are human, we judge. Well, as I said, it was my first experience with it. And I'm just lucky it happened on a message board instead of in real life. I will never underestimate the Mommy Judgment phenomenon again.
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Post by Firebird on Jun 29, 2012 15:20:52 GMT -5
milee, that was an awesome post...I was so into this thread I didn't even really think about what she was saying...
SERIOUSLY?!?! That is the EXACT point I was trying to make with the spanking analogy (parents do what they think is right and even if they make choices you disagree with they can still be good parents who love their children) and you argued with me for two pages over the fact that it wasn't a comparable analogy instead of paying attention to what I was trying to say.
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