973beachbum
Senior Associate
Politics Admin
Joined: Dec 17, 2010 16:12:13 GMT -5
Posts: 10,501
|
Post by 973beachbum on Jun 10, 2012 20:53:40 GMT -5
My grandmother was one of 23 children. All but 2 of them died in infantcy. My great grandmother didn't die from the grief but she was very protective of her grandkids when they were born. I don't know but I didn't think it was common for grandparents to go to to talk to grandkids teahcers in the 1910's.
|
|
Jaguar
Administrator
Fear does not stop death. It stops life.
Joined: Dec 20, 2011 6:07:45 GMT -5
Posts: 50,108
Mini-Profile Background: {"image":"https://cdn.nickpic.host/images/IZlZ65.jpg","color":""}
Mini-Profile Text Color: 290066
|
Post by Jaguar on Jun 10, 2012 21:21:31 GMT -5
The grief was there, just no one talked about it. That's the difference to today, where we talk about everything and know about everything in light speed. I lived with death, in that I was born with a couple of health issues that before me kids would die of. You can say that death is up close and personal with me.
|
|
Deleted
Joined: Jun 28, 2024 20:56:26 GMT -5
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2012 21:35:46 GMT -5
I agree with what Virgil is saying. Responses to grief and loss are learned to a certain degree. I don't think previous generations felt the pain any less, they just had to continue to function. It was a matter of survival. We don't need to function at the same level they did to be fed, clothed and sheltered.
|
|
ՏՇԾԵԵʅՏɧ_LԹՏՏʅҼ
Community Leader
♡ ♡ BᏋՆᎥᏋᏉᏋ ♡ ♡
Joined: Dec 17, 2010 16:12:51 GMT -5
Posts: 43,130
Location: Inside POM's Head
Favorite Drink: Chilled White Zin
|
Post by ՏՇԾԵԵʅՏɧ_LԹՏՏʅҼ on Jun 10, 2012 21:48:33 GMT -5
I wholeheartedly agree with that, Later. My grandmother lost a child shortly after it was born, and she felt the loss and pain like any other mother would, but she didn't have time to crawl into a cocoon and really grieve for any length of time. There were mouths to feed and work that had to be done to keep the family moving forward. They didn't have the conveniences or luxuries we have today, and there was little time for anything else but providing for the family - which meant long hours doing little else.
|
|
Deleted
Joined: Jun 28, 2024 20:56:26 GMT -5
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2012 21:53:03 GMT -5
I wholeheartedly agree with that, Later.
|
|
ՏՇԾԵԵʅՏɧ_LԹՏՏʅҼ
Community Leader
♡ ♡ BᏋՆᎥᏋᏉᏋ ♡ ♡
Joined: Dec 17, 2010 16:12:51 GMT -5
Posts: 43,130
Location: Inside POM's Head
Favorite Drink: Chilled White Zin
|
Post by ՏՇԾԵԵʅՏɧ_LԹՏՏʅҼ on Jun 10, 2012 21:54:46 GMT -5
Why the shock?? I thought you made a good point.
|
|
Jaguar
Administrator
Fear does not stop death. It stops life.
Joined: Dec 20, 2011 6:07:45 GMT -5
Posts: 50,108
Mini-Profile Background: {"image":"https://cdn.nickpic.host/images/IZlZ65.jpg","color":""}
Mini-Profile Text Color: 290066
|
Post by Jaguar on Jun 10, 2012 22:09:43 GMT -5
Why the shock?? I thought you made a good point. I think you made an excellent point as well Later. They didn't have the luxury to grieve for too long in the past.
|
|
Deleted
Joined: Jun 28, 2024 20:56:26 GMT -5
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2012 7:37:41 GMT -5
Nice rant. The subject matter was good. The thoughts were extreme and on the edge of sanity. Minus points for too cohesiveness of thoughts, but that can be overlooked. Overall i give it a B.
|
|
Deleted
Joined: Jun 28, 2024 20:56:26 GMT -5
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2012 7:47:55 GMT -5
regarding grieving over the loss of a child - I think my response would depend on if that was the only child. If I had another child to care for, I would grieve considerably for the lost one (and probably need some therapy to help me cope), but I would still have to press on for the sake of the living one. But if my only child died, I honestly don't know what I would do. Thinking about that right now, part of me would want a completely clean break - leave DH and just go far far away.
|
|
teen persuasion
Senior Member
Joined: Dec 20, 2010 21:58:49 GMT -5
Posts: 4,083
|
Post by teen persuasion on Jun 11, 2012 8:29:30 GMT -5
Do you know what would happen if a high schooler put out an invitation to a party today? You don't have to guess, because the incident with my grandparents' neighbour ODing brought up a tale from three years back where a teenager on their block apparently did just that. His parents were away for the weekend. He sent out a message to a few friends. They texted it to more, more, until a mob showed up for the party. Predictably, the police had to be called in. My grandparents' front lawn was full of drinking, partying teens for the first half of the night, and police cleaning up the mess for the latter half.
And the neighbourhood's reaction (which evidently was well-deserved): what was this kid [/i]thinking?[/i] You send out an invitation to a "party" and what did you expect? That a baseball game would break out? That people wouldn't drink themselves stupid? That people would conduct themselves with dignity?[/blockquote] When I was in HS in the early 80's, the "neighborhood's" reaction would have been the same. In my senior year, I spent a week in TO for a Model UN convention. Visiting students were billetted w/ local HS students. Every day, near the end of the meetings, several of the students would commandeer the mic and "invite" everyone (at the convention!) to a party at X address. I was pleasantly surprised to find that the parties were civilized, w/ lots of great alternative music, and no one's house was trashed or overwhelmed (like it might have been if the same happened back home). I was impressed at the maturity of the community's teens, and a bit chagrined that I couldn't expect the same of my US peers. This past weekend, DS2 attended the Prom, and the next day he told me about the party afterwards in friends' barn. Yes, there was drinking, but the parents took everyone's keys at the door, and they were all looking out for one another, making sure no one had too much or got hurt while tipsy. It really didn't sound much different from parties I attended w/ friends in HS. Then again, we live in a rural area, and the kids all know one another. I grew up in the 'burbs, and attended HS in the city, so you definitely did not know everyone. Some things have changed, some are about the same. Recalling my HS trip to TO, my kids could never do a similar trip, given all the supervision that the schools now need in place. We were driven up by a teacher, and did not see her again until we were leaving for home, at the end of a week. We were split up into 2s or 3s and housed w/ local kids that we met the first night, and responsible for all our own transportation back and forth from downtown to wherever we were staying (I was 16 miles out in the 'burbs; no idea where the rest of our group was). The guy we stayed w/ didn't hang out w/ us; his house was just a place to sleep - we were lucky we weren't locked out, or got lost... Now, my kids can't even take a friend's bus home after school w/o a permission slip.
|
|
Virgil Showlion
Distinguished Associate
Moderator
[b]leones potest resistere[/b]
Joined: Dec 20, 2010 15:19:33 GMT -5
Posts: 27,448
|
Post by Virgil Showlion on Jun 11, 2012 10:06:33 GMT -5
Message deleted by moonbeam because even mods don't get to make personal attacks.
If it was meant as humor, it fell short of the mark.
|
|
Deleted
Joined: Jun 28, 2024 20:56:26 GMT -5
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2012 10:09:59 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure that's against the COC.
|
|
rovo
Senior Member
Joined: Dec 18, 2010 14:20:19 GMT -5
Posts: 3,628
|
Post by rovo on Jun 11, 2012 10:12:14 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure that's against the COC. I'll give Virgil a little leeway on the COC since he is Canadian (and special). Archie is a big boy and can take the ridicule.
|
|
moon/Laura
Administrator
Forum Owner
Joined: Dec 17, 2010 15:05:36 GMT -5
Posts: 10,061
Mini-Profile Text Color: f8fb10
|
Post by moon/Laura on Jun 11, 2012 10:13:13 GMT -5
what the hell, Virgil?!!
and archiie has a pic of a bearded dragon, i think.. not a newt. newts are smooth skinned, not scaled.
|
|
Deleted
Joined: Jun 28, 2024 20:56:26 GMT -5
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2012 10:15:02 GMT -5
|
|
Artemis Windsong
Senior Associate
The love in me salutes the love in you. M. Williamson
Joined: Dec 18, 2010 19:32:12 GMT -5
Posts: 12,361
Today's Mood: Twinkling
Location: Wishing Star
Favorite Drink: Fresh, clean cold bottled water.
|
Post by Artemis Windsong on Jun 11, 2012 10:16:24 GMT -5
My DD and I are grieving a grandchild that miscarried. June is when it happened 4 y.a. and little information was given to us. My GrD kept the whole circumstance secret for 2 weeks, delivered the news in one sentence, and has not said a word since. I doubt she was named so I will name her June. This thread reminded me to not forget her.
|
|
NoNamePerson
Distinguished Associate
Is There Anybody OUT There?
Joined: Dec 17, 2010 17:03:17 GMT -5
Posts: 25,917
Location: WITNESS PROTECTION
Member is Online
|
Post by NoNamePerson on Jun 11, 2012 10:23:20 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure that's against the COC. I'll give Virgil a little leeway on the COC since he is Canadian (and special). Archie is a big boy and can take the ridicule. Personally, I have always thought Virgil and Archie are one and the same.
|
|
Deleted
Joined: Jun 28, 2024 20:56:26 GMT -5
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2012 10:24:05 GMT -5
Virgil is trying to mess up the curve for the rest of the ranters. A+ for effort, for sure. He is a fast learner, that Virgil.
|
|
Deleted
Joined: Jun 28, 2024 20:56:26 GMT -5
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2012 10:36:59 GMT -5
Message deleted by moonbeam because even mods don't get to make personal attacks. If it was meant as humor, it fell short of the mark. oh come on!!!
|
|
TD2K
Senior Associate
Once you kill a cow, you gotta make a burger
Joined: Dec 19, 2010 1:19:25 GMT -5
Posts: 10,931
|
Post by TD2K on Jun 11, 2012 10:38:58 GMT -5
Scary isn't it?
|
|
swamp
Community Leader
Don't be a fool. Call me!
Joined: Dec 19, 2010 16:03:22 GMT -5
Posts: 45,411
|
Post by swamp on Jun 11, 2012 10:39:27 GMT -5
TD is living in my head today.
|
|
NoNamePerson
Distinguished Associate
Is There Anybody OUT There?
Joined: Dec 17, 2010 17:03:17 GMT -5
Posts: 25,917
Location: WITNESS PROTECTION
Member is Online
|
Post by NoNamePerson on Jun 11, 2012 10:44:14 GMT -5
Message deleted by moonbeam because even mods don't get to make personal attacks. If it was meant as humor, it fell short of the mark. oh come on!!! I'm willing to bet that Archie got a big ass kick out of Virgil's RANT against him. Archie has a wicked sense of humor
|
|
Deleted
Joined: Jun 28, 2024 20:56:26 GMT -5
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2012 10:44:21 GMT -5
Virgil is the smarter, conservative, religious, geeky Hyde to my good looking, liberal, atheist, hip Jekyll.
|
|
TD2K
Senior Associate
Once you kill a cow, you gotta make a burger
Joined: Dec 19, 2010 1:19:25 GMT -5
Posts: 10,931
|
Post by TD2K on Jun 11, 2012 10:51:15 GMT -5
Virgil is the smarter, conservative, religious, geeky Hyde to my good looking, liberal, atheist, hip Jekyll. LOL!!!
|
|
Miss Tequila
Distinguished Associate
Joined: Dec 19, 2010 10:13:45 GMT -5
Posts: 20,602
|
Post by Miss Tequila on Jun 11, 2012 11:03:36 GMT -5
It's a sad day....apparantly fun has been banned
|
|
Deleted
Joined: Jun 28, 2024 20:56:26 GMT -5
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2012 11:04:40 GMT -5
Not banned....redefined.
|
|
TD2K
Senior Associate
Once you kill a cow, you gotta make a burger
Joined: Dec 19, 2010 1:19:25 GMT -5
Posts: 10,931
|
Post by TD2K on Jun 11, 2012 11:07:45 GMT -5
PGed 13
|
|
Deleted
Joined: Jun 28, 2024 20:56:26 GMT -5
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2012 11:09:00 GMT -5
Footloose'd.
|
|
Miss Tequila
Distinguished Associate
Joined: Dec 19, 2010 10:13:45 GMT -5
Posts: 20,602
|
Post by Miss Tequila on Jun 11, 2012 11:10:19 GMT -5
PGed 13 Acne and nerdy board games are R rated?
|
|
Deleted
Joined: Jun 28, 2024 20:56:26 GMT -5
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2012 11:12:34 GMT -5
LOL! I'd say they are "Taboo" but that's a board game too!
|
|