How expensive can a divorce be

[imawino]

May 9, 2012 15:02:24 GMT -5 swamp said:

May 9, 2012 15:01:00 GMT -5 ArchietheDragon said:

Or a sugar daddy... I could use a big ole' man in my life.

I never would have pictured you as the catcher.

Really? I totally pictured it.

[swamp]

May 9, 2012 15:02:56 GMT -5 @lonewolf said:

May 9, 2012 15:00:29 GMT -5 imawino said:

I wholeheartedly agree that it was way off topic. But I'm not sure how posts about her degree and earning capacity are an improvement.

I was referring to all the kids their family members were having, ones they weren't financially able to take care for.

They're big on the "God will provide" line of thought. Although God seems to be various family members they hit up for cash.

[Wisconsin Beth]

May 9, 2012 15:02:56 GMT -5 @lonewolf said:

May 9, 2012 15:00:29 GMT -5 imawino said:

I wholeheartedly agree that it was way off topic. But I'm not sure how posts about her degree and earning capacity are an improvement.

I was referring to all the kids their family members were having, ones they weren't financially able to take care for.

I think there's a couple of threads already on that. The wedding one had a bit about the cousin's baby that lives with Gramma and the other cousin who's bipolar makes 2...

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May 9, 2012 15:04:28 GMT -5 imawino said:

May 9, 2012 15:02:24 GMT -5 swamp said:

I never would have pictured you as the catcher.

Really? I totally pictured it.

I'm too pretty to pitch.

[swamp]

May 9, 2012 15:08:14 GMT -5 ArchietheDragon said:

May 9, 2012 15:04:28 GMT -5 imawino said:

Really? I totally pictured it.

I'm too pretty to pitch.

I thought the pretty one was the pitcher and the ugly one was the catcher? No?

Apparently, I don't have the down low rules mastered.

[wvugurl26]

May 9, 2012 15:08:14 GMT -5 ArchietheDragon said:

May 9, 2012 15:04:28 GMT -5 imawino said:

Really? I totally pictured it.

I'm too pretty to pitch.

Bwahaha!

Seriously caiwau that is fucked up! Your online friends are here no matter what you decide.

[Wisconsin Beth]

Wow, I've missed a lot.

There's a LOT of drama in Carl and Mrs. Carl's families.

[quotequeen]

May 9, 2012 14:54:42 GMT -5 imawino said:

May 9, 2012 14:51:54 GMT -5 The Walk of the Penguin Mich said:

I can't be sure because Cawaii posts a lot, but I thought he posted a few months ago that she had gone of her bitch control and whatever happens happens.

Really? He said that his wife cannot be on hormonal birth control, that it makes her sick. Carl has said repeatedly that he uses condoms....lots of 'em!

Then aside form poking holes in them, there shouldn't be any way to "trick" him into getting pregnant.

As I understand his post, he is relying on her to tell him whether or not she is ovulating and that determines whether they think they need to use condoms. So she has been lying and telling him it's a "safe time" so that he thinks a condom is unnecessary.

[swamp]

May 9, 2012 15:13:10 GMT -5 quotequeen said:

May 9, 2012 14:54:42 GMT -5 imawino said:

Then aside form poking holes in them, there shouldn't be any way to "trick" him into getting pregnant.

As I understand his post, he is relying on her to tell him whether or not she is ovulating and that determines whether they think they need to use condoms. So she has been lying and telling him it's a "safe time" so that he thinks a condom is unnecessary.

But shouldn't he know when the fertile time is? Or at least educate himself? Or is that just girl knowledge.

I'm not taking any heat off Mrs. C, but is Cawiau paying attention at all?

[NomoreDramaQ1015]

Then aside form poking holes in them, there shouldn't be any way to "trick" him into getting pregnant.

Sure there is. If she is tracking her fertility she knows when she is ovulating. Unless Carl is doing his own math he has to take her word for it when she says she is not in her window.

And he posted that she lying to him and saying she is not within her fertility window (and she really is) hoping that she'll end up with an "oops" baby.

Others might disagree but I would consider that tricking my spouse if I were doing this because I have insider knowledge that he doesn't and I am using it to my own advantage.

Now I will agree if you don't use condoms you are taking your chances, but I still consider it trickery to track your ovulation and deliberately lie to your spouse in order to secretely increase your odds off getting pregnant.

To me it is not an "ooops" baby if I am tracking my ovulation and then get my husband to have sex with me within that window. I am deliberately trying and in this case without his knowledge or approval.

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That comment was well past the line, Archie, and you know it. This is your last warning about sexual content. Next time you're gone.

~moon mod

[imawino]

May 9, 2012 15:13:10 GMT -5 quotequeen said:

May 9, 2012 14:54:42 GMT -5 imawino said:

Then aside form poking holes in them, there shouldn't be any way to "trick" him into getting pregnant.

As I understand his post, he is relying on her to tell him whether or not she is ovulating and that determines whether they think they need to use condoms. So she has been lying and telling him it's a "safe time" so that he thinks a condom is unnecessary.

Yeah, I get that. But my point is if you are truly serious about not wanting a kid you don't go protection free at all. I learned in middle school sex ed that the rhythm method is not reliable. And honestly, how do you live with someone and not know their cycle? I can tell you my honey is well aware of where I am throughout the month. (I get EXTRA bitchy if you can imagine)

I'm not excusing the lies. I AM saying that is you don't ACT serious about preventing pregnancy you are sending a mixed message.

[Firebird]

May 8, 2012 11:16:29 GMT -5 Wisconsin Beth said:

May 8, 2012 11:10:45 GMT -5 @moneyjenny82 said:

I care about some of you way more than I should.

Yep. Me too.

Me nth.

I missed this whole saga but I'm so sorry you're getting divorced, Carl.

[Wisconsin Beth]

May 9, 2012 15:16:47 GMT -5 @lonewolf said:

May 9, 2012 15:15:00 GMT -5 swamp said:

But shouldn't he know when the fertile time is? Or at least educate himself? Or is that just girl knowledge.

I'm not taking any heat off Mrs. C, but is Cawiau paying attention at all?

Most men are clueless and gullible when it comes to this.

A lot of women are too, when you get down to it. I know enough to warn people that this isn't a foolproof method.

[imawino]

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[quotequeen]

May 9, 2012 15:17:51 GMT -5 imawino said:

And honestly, how do you live with someone and not know their cycle?

I was wondering that too, but I'm not completely clear on how long this has been going on. They haven't been living together for a couple months or so.

[NomoreDramaQ1015]

I'm not excusing the lies. I AM saying that is you don't ACT serious about preventing pregnancy you are sending a mixed message.

I agree.

I've never really swallowed the "we're not trying but we're not preventing" line if you aren't using anything you are trying whether you want to or not.

But what bothers me is somewhere along the way Mrs C decided she wanted one NOW and started taking steps to increase her odds of getting pregnant without discussing it.

To me that is different than taking your chances if that makes any sense at all.

I'd be upset if my spouse decided to start increasing our odds of having a baby, even if I was sending mixed messages. That's not something you unilaterly decide.

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May 9, 2012 15:21:50 GMT -5 quotequeen said:

May 9, 2012 15:17:51 GMT -5 imawino said:

And honestly, how do you live with someone and not know their cycle?

I was wondering that too, but I'm not completely clear on how long this has been going on. They haven't been living together for a couple months or so.

I have no knowledge of my wife's cycle.

[swamp]

But what bothers me is somewhere along the way Mrs C decided she wanted one NOW and started taking steps to increase her odds of getting pregnant without discussing it with me.

Does your opinion really matter?

[The Walk of the Penguin Mich]

May 9, 2012 15:17:51 GMT -5 imawino said:

May 9, 2012 15:13:10 GMT -5 quotequeen said:

As I understand his post, he is relying on her to tell him whether or not she is ovulating and that determines whether they think they need to use condoms. So she has been lying and telling him it's a "safe time" so that he thinks a condom is unnecessary.

Yeah, I get that. But my point is if you are truly serious about not wanting a kid you don't go protection free at all. I learned in middle school sex ed that the rhythm method is not reliable. And honestly, how do you live with someone and not know their cycle? I can tell you my honey is well aware of where I am throughout the month. (I get EXTRA bitchy if you can imagine)

I'm not excusing the lies. I AM saying that is you don't ACT serious about preventing pregnancy you are sending a mixed message.

Apparently there are some women who can use this method of b/c reliably.

But quite frankly, inever paid enough attention to know when I was ovulating. I think that Carl knowing the signs is a little much.

[Angel!]

May 9, 2012 15:15:00 GMT -5 swamp said:

May 9, 2012 15:13:10 GMT -5 quotequeen said:

As I understand his post, he is relying on her to tell him whether or not she is ovulating and that determines whether they think they need to use condoms. So she has been lying and telling him it's a "safe time" so that he thinks a condom is unnecessary.

But shouldn't he know when the fertile time is? Or at least educate himself? Or is that just girl knowledge.

I'm not taking any heat off Mrs. C, but is Cawiau paying attention at all?

Well, they aren't living together right now, so it would be pretty easy to lie & he wouldn't know.

But, it seems to me if you aren't using protection every time, then you have to accept that you could have a baby. It seems Mrs C was just trying to put the odds in her favor that it would happen. Still deceitful, but IMO not as bad as saying you are on the pill when you are not.

[Wisconsin Beth]

May 9, 2012 15:21:50 GMT -5 quotequeen said:

May 9, 2012 15:17:51 GMT -5 imawino said:

And honestly, how do you live with someone and not know their cycle?

I was wondering that too, but I'm not completely clear on how long this has been going on. They haven't been living together for a couple months or so.

I doubt my DH could tell you my schedule, without looking at the calendar. And we've been together for 10+ years. Now I try to give him a heads up, because the hormone rush messes with my meds and that's only fair.

[swamp]

May 9, 2012 15:23:02 GMT -5 ArchietheDragon said:

May 9, 2012 15:21:50 GMT -5 quotequeen said:

I was wondering that too, but I'm not completely clear on how long this has been going on. They haven't been living together for a couple months or so.

I have no knowledge of my wife's cycle.

that's because you keep putting it up her butt, and the cycle is irrelevant.

[NomoreDramaQ1015]

I would say Dh has no clue about my cycle. He knows when I am menstrating but he doesn't track when I ovulate. Nor do I.

If you are going to use NFP I think you should both educate yourself and keep track, BUT at the same time it would never occur to me that my spouse would use that information to decieve me. I'd assume my spouse is honest when she says she is not ovulating.

Kinda like when I was on the pill. DH did not stand there and make sure I took it every single morning and didn't check to make sure I swallowed it. He trusted that I was taking my pill appropriately at teh same time every day.

It could have been incredibly easy if I wanted to to stop taking them and make it look like I was. Dh should be able to trust that I am taking the pill properly without checking up on me.

Carl should be able to trust that his wife isn't going to lie to him about when she is ovulating.


Does your opinion really matter?

Shut up. I changed it! I'm actually working between posts today.

[imawino]

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[Sum Dum Gai]

You guys are mixing up the storyline a bit... I think. They were waiting for a couple years, then there was a very brief period where he said they were going to stop using birth control and if it happened it happened. I think that was prior to his new job. It was a really brief period though. Then they were back to waiting a couple years. She stopped taking the pill because the hormones were screwing with her, supposedly. So they were still using birth control, but it was just condoms and her tracking her cycle so they could avoid sex during her fertility windows.

Or at least that's what I remember.

Now he's finding out that she was lying to him about her half of their birth control method, because she decided their lives would be easier if she got pregnant now.

[swamp]

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[kindthatjingles]

I leave for 30 minutes to get myhalf price Frapuccino at Starbucks and the direction has turned! #charm

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[imawino]

May 9, 2012 15:24:40 GMT -5 The Walk of the Penguin Mich said:

Apparently there are some women who can use this method of b/c reliably. got lucky relying on an unreliable form of "birth control"

But quite frankly, inever paid enough attention to know when I was ovulating. I think that Carl knowing the signs is a little much.

Fixed. And I'm not suggesting he needs to watch for minute signs. If she's at all regular it's pretty easy to know the approximate date. If you are actually using rhythm as your main form of birth control there is actually no excuse for both not knowing. I don't pay any attention to my cycle, but I'm not using it for bc.