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Post by muttleynfelix on Apr 25, 2012 15:18:20 GMT -5
I think most peope can survive just fine without being able to calculate the molarity of a solution.
Geology counted as a science requirement for non-science majors but according to the book it is indeed a majors course for biology too. (biology with a geological emphasis). I took Chem 001 and 003 at my school (which are Chem I and II). OMG I hated them. I got B's in both by the skin of my teeth. I could not calculate the molarity of a solution at this point in my life to save my life. I also had to take Geological Engineering 50. That class was a actually a huge joke even if we did have to identify rocks in the lab for our lab final. It was GE for non-GE majors. I finished the lecture final in under 10 minutes. I couldn't tell you a whole lot about what rock was what. All I know is that I live in the Ozarks where we have rock and my parents live in Illinois where they don't.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2012 15:20:14 GMT -5
I'm trying to think of what classes I did feel i got a lot out of ?? ... I had a Life-Span Psych Class, and there was one prof in my field who was excellent and both her classes were very helpful... Other than that it was Business Law, which to the shock of everyone in the class, who were all in the business field I chose as my elective because i wanted to, with the prof who was known in the business school to be the 'hardest prof' and from whom i got a solid B...
Honestly, i'd probably have to look at my transcript to even name most of what i took....
Student teaching was very helpful. I think much more preperatory education should be hands on/internship/apprenticeship type... A mentoring program CAN be effective as well... but i was in one bad and one good one, so it all depends...
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Apr 25, 2012 15:21:21 GMT -5
All I know is that I live in the Ozarks where we have rock and my parents live in Illinois where they don't
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Apr 25, 2012 15:22:28 GMT -5
I didn't get much out of physics, it went in one ear and out the other. I barely passed Physics 101 and 102.
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Post by Waffle on Apr 25, 2012 15:40:53 GMT -5
This thread is making me feel very old. Everyone is talking about who took which classes - I don't even remember most of the classes I took - let alone who was in those classes with me. I do recall that I was a political science major. And, I do remember a few fluff courses - Social Games for a PE credit - it was nicknamed bowling and billiards (we also learned bridge), some sort of design your own literature course that had two students and most of the "class" time was spent out on the lawn, and Intro to the Bible aka baby bible. The only science class I remember was the biology class that I just barely passed (Aced the first test and then just sort of ignored the rest of the class). I hated biology. I'm not saying that I didn't take any other science classes, just that I don't remember them. I thought I went to a good school - not great or prestigious, but good - now I'm not so sure. LOL!
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Post by movingforward on Apr 25, 2012 15:42:38 GMT -5
I took Chemistry 101 and 102 and absolutely loved them, but then again they were obviously part of the mickey mouse curriculum so why wouldn't I.
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Post by Opti on Apr 25, 2012 16:03:04 GMT -5
At the first college I went to, I had to take 9 humanities classes, and they weren't the remedial Mickey Mouse classes for non majors either. I took English classes with the English majors, history with the history majors, social work with the social work majors. How many of you non-science majors had to take that many non-remedial math and science classes, the same classes the science majors were taking? I'm not sure if this is the norm. I guess we'll have to take a poll on this. At the second college I attended, most students didn't have to take anything higher than 'college' algebra, and maybe a couple of remedial science classes, but they were in the process of doing away with the college algebra requirement since half of the non-science majors flunked it anyway. I'm not sure what people want to define as well rounded, however, I felt I was somewhat there before I even hit college. My senior year in high school I took a very comprehensive humanities course which according to some of the teachers and former students was a college level type course. I don't remember much just lots of reading, including the Illiad, The Hero's Journey, and some of the projects I did like a involved paper on witchcraft in one of Shakespeare's plays and one of the art projects I did which was a vase painted in I think a certain Greek time period style. I took German, Acting, and Expository writing in high school and could have gone in Journalism or writing had I followed the advice of a few teachers. In college the only fun course I remember taking was Modern Dance and I'm not sure if it even counted against any of my core requirements. I took one class of German(instruction in high school was better), several Psych courses, and at least two or more Economics courses. Purdue wasn't only known for their engineering program but Krannert School of management had a good rep at the time and the professors and some students were miffed at mine and some other engineers tendencies to get As and high grades in class. I had two awfully evil courses where they upgraded what we learned in hopes of trashing engineer's grades. We were not allowed to take the regular sections of the class. They would move us. The economics course taught be a professor originally from Germany was so hardcore and filled with barely legible equations that I think only one of my known genius friends got an A in that section. I'd be surprised if even the Master's level courses covered what we did. They'd probably though give them a professor who's writing didn't need to be decoded and you had more than 30 seconds to figure it out before he moved on to the next thing. ETA: Oh, and my required English class was taught by a professor who occasionally had us analyze his poetry. He wouldn't give me an A because he knew I could write better. I argued with him and lost when I pointed out he was giving an A to someone who's writing was clearly below mine and B level on a good day. For him it didn't matter I didn't have the time needed to spend writing an A paper if I was going to get my engineering homework in. This was the best she could do so she got an A. I got a B.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Apr 25, 2012 16:14:29 GMT -5
I haven't read 10 pages so I might be repeating someone...
Regardless of what you choose as your major, you should have clear goals on how to use the damn degree. I will never understand someone dropping $50K or more on a "useless" degree...useless because it will never earn you anymore than you would make without it. My dd is only 13 but we have regular conversations about college and how important it is to think through what she really wants out of life...not everyone needs a degree, but if you are going to fork over that kind of money it should be something worthwhile.
I chose my major strictly on how much I could make with it...I can't say I like accounting all that much but you know what I hate more? Being poor!lol
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Post by Sum Dum Gai on Apr 25, 2012 16:16:31 GMT -5
College majors with the highest unemployment
* 1. Clinical psychology 19.5% * 2. Miscellaneous fine arts 16.2% * 3. United States history 15.1% * 4. Library science 15.0% * 5. (tie) Military technologies; educational psychology 10.9% * 6. Architecture 10.6% * 7. Industrial & organizational psychology 10.4% * 8. Miscellaneous psychology 10.3% * 9. Linguistics & comparative literature 10.2% * 10. (tie) Visual & performing arts; engineering & industrial management 9.2% * 11. Engineering & industrial management 9.2% * 12. Social psychology 8.8% * 13. International business 8.5% * 14. Humanities 8.4% * 15. General social sciences 8.2% * 16. Commercial art & graphic design 8.1% * 17. Studio art 8.0% * 18. Pre-law & legal studies 7.9% * 19. Materials engineering and materials science and composition & speech (tie) 7.7% * 20. Liberal arts 7.6% * 21. (tie) Fine arts and genetics 7.4% * 22. Film video & photography arts and cosmetology services & culinary arts (tie) 7.3% * 23. Philosophy & religious studies and neuroscience (tie) 7.2% * 24. Biochemical sciences 7.1% * 25. (tie) Journalism and sociology 7.0% Suck it YM, you were wrong!!! Taken from the article 25 College Majors With the Highest Unemployment Rate, which can be found here www.cbsnews.com/8301-505145_162-57325132/25-college-majors-with-the-highest-unemployment-rates/
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Post by Opti on Apr 25, 2012 16:16:37 GMT -5
I disagree. I do not have a college degree and yet I still posses logic skills, an ability to converse intelligently on numerous topics and have been exposed to well educated people without it. Your life will be as enriching as you make it, with or without the "sheepskin". ETA: And as for the Starbucks barista -- if they want to move up to management I would forego taking any college classes unless they are a requirement for a Management position. Going to college to obtain a BA degree just to have a BA is a waste of time and money IMO. I agree. While certainly the right college can help some people are already there based on the life they have lived through high school. My mom was a teacher and reading, music, and critical thinking skills were something she wanted all her kids to be good at or at least well exposed to. Your parents and where you grow up can help you be exposed to many different kinds of people or on the other end make you isolated to a very small subset.
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Post by Opti on Apr 25, 2012 16:18:59 GMT -5
College majors with the highest unemployment
* 1. Clinical psychology 19.5% * 2. Miscellaneous fine arts 16.2% * 3. United States history 15.1% * 4. Library science 15.0% * 5. (tie) Military technologies; educational psychology 10.9% * 6. Architecture 10.6% * 7. Industrial & organizational psychology 10.4% * 8. Miscellaneous psychology 10.3% * 9. Linguistics & comparative literature 10.2% * 10. (tie) Visual & performing arts; engineering & industrial management 9.2% * 11. Engineering & industrial management 9.2% * 12. Social psychology 8.8% * 13. International business 8.5% * 14. Humanities 8.4% * 15. General social sciences 8.2% * 16. Commercial art & graphic design 8.1% * 17. Studio art 8.0% * 18. Pre-law & legal studies 7.9% * 19. Materials engineering and materials science and composition & speech (tie) 7.7% * 20. Liberal arts 7.6% * 21. (tie) Fine arts and genetics 7.4% * 22. Film video & photography arts and cosmetology services & culinary arts (tie) 7.3% * 23. Philosophy & religious studies and neuroscience (tie) 7.2% * 24. Biochemical sciences 7.1% * 25. (tie) Journalism and sociology 7.0% Suck it YM, you were wrong!!! Taken from the article 25 College Majors With the Highest Unemployment Rate, which can be found here www.cbsnews.com/8301-505145_162-57325132/25-college-majors-with-the-highest-unemployment-rates/I think Beach and I have been pointing this out for awhile FYI.
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Post by Sum Dum Gai on Apr 25, 2012 16:21:41 GMT -5
College majors with lowest unemployment rates
* 1. Medical technology technician 1.4% * 2. Nursing 2.2% * 3. Treatment therapy professions 2.6% * 4. Medical assisting services 2.9% * 5. Agriculture production & management 3.0% * 6. Industrial production technologies 3.1% * 7. Pharmacy 3.2% * 8. Communications & disorders sciences 3.3% * 9. Elementary education 3.6% * 10. Special needs education 3.6% * 11. Miscellaneous education 3.7% * 12. Mechanical engineering 3.8% * 13. High school teacher 3.8% * 14. Theology & religious vocations 4.1% * 15. Management info systems & statistics 4.2% * 16. General education 4.2% * 17. Health & medical administrative services 4.3% * 18. Transportation science & technologies 4.4% * 19. Finance 4.5% * 20. Physics 4.5% * 21. PE/health education 4.5% * 22. Criminal justice and fire protection 4.7% * 23. PE/Park & Recreation 4.8% * 24. Civil engineering 4.9% * 25. (tie) Electrical engineering; environmental science; math 5% Wow... looks like teaching isn't for losers after all. You were wrong again YM!!! Even PE teachers have better prospects than engineers... that's gotta sting a bit. The fact that all the jocks with communications majors smoke engineers too is just rubbing salt in the wound. Now go flog yourselves with wet noodles. Taken from the article 25 college majors with the lowest unemployment rates, which can be found here www.cbsnews.com/8301-505145_162-57324669/25-college-majors-with-lowest-unemployment-rates/?tag=contentMain;contentBody
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Post by 973beachbum on Apr 25, 2012 18:07:27 GMT -5
Yup, Opt and I have been saying this for most of 2 years. And where I live those PE teachers have a starting salary of over $50K. So not exactly a low paying profession either.
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Post by Firebird on Apr 25, 2012 18:37:05 GMT -5
Also - I don't calculate a roi in mere dollars. I would want both my kids to have a basic BA degree - if not a masters - as a necessary precursor to being able think and consider ideas they may not be partial to, to evaluate the world logically, to converse intelligently on numerous topics with friends or potential mates, and to have exposure to well educated people to form friendships and relationships.
In short - I highly value an education for the sole purpose of being educated. It saddens me that this is lost to so many people.
I always get sucked into this discussion and it always comes back to this same basic point. You do NOT necessarily need a college degree to be an educated person, and people with college degrees are NOT necessarily educated.
Maybe 30 years ago, this was a legitimate argument but today, assuming that someone is poorly educated because they didn't go to college is a pretty big assumption. I have two friends in particular who didn't go past high school and they are two of the most educated people I know. Widely self-taught but so what? I actually think it's more virtuous to take the initiative to educate yourself past basic knowledge in chosen areas than it is to just learn about whatever your college program tells you to learn about for your degree.
The real world taught me how to "think and consider ideas I may not be partial to, to evaluate the world logically, to converse intelligently on numerous topics with friends or potential mates, and to have exposure to well educated people to form friendships and relationships," not my college education. It's not even a close call. I'm not saying you CAN'T learn those things at college, just that you really, really, really don't automatically learn those things at college. Not anymore.
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Post by binl1908 on Apr 25, 2012 18:41:45 GMT -5
I remember taking a geology course as a science requirement in college. It was affectionately known as "Rocks for Jocks". I'm pretty sure I passed.....
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Post by Firebird on Apr 25, 2012 18:41:46 GMT -5
It all depends on the person. A moron is a moron, but an intelligent person interested in learning and who is exposed to a liberal arts curicculum should develop those skills.
And will do so regardless of whether they're in college or not.
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Post by Rocky Mtn Saver on Apr 25, 2012 18:45:45 GMT -5
Also - I don't calculate a roi in mere dollars. I would want both my kids to have a basic BA degree - if not a masters - as a necessary precursor to being able think and consider ideas they may not be partial to, to evaluate the world logically, to converse intelligently on numerous topics with friends or potential mates, and to have exposure to well educated people to form friendships and relationships.
In short - I highly value an education for the sole purpose of being educated. It saddens me that this is lost to so many people.I always get sucked into this discussion and it always comes back to this same basic point. You do NOT necessarily need a college degree to be an educated person, and people with college degrees are NOT necessarily educated. Maybe 30 years ago, this was a legitimate argument but today, assuming that someone is poorly educated because they didn't go to college is a pretty big assumption. I have two friends in particular who didn't go past high school and they are two of the most educated people I know. Widely self-taught but so what? I actually think it's more virtuous to take the initiative to educate yourself past basic knowledge in chosen areas than it is to just learn about whatever your college program tells you to learn about for your degree. The real world taught me how to "think and consider ideas I may not be partial to, to evaluate the world logically, to converse intelligently on numerous topics with friends or potential mates, and to have exposure to well educated people to form friendships and relationships," not my college education. It's not even a close call. I'm not saying you CAN'T learn those things at college, just that you really, really, really don't automatically learn those things at college. Not anymore. Two things occur to me. One, this is assuming that they're getting all those valuable life skills out of college, which is a big assumption. Two, couldn't you teach your children most of these same valuable life skills yourself for a whole lot less money? ETA: I'm not knocking learning or higher education. I love learning, and I love educating myself.
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Post by Firebird on Apr 25, 2012 18:47:40 GMT -5
I disagree. I do not have a college degree and yet I still posses logic skills, an ability to converse intelligently on numerous topics and have been exposed to well educated people without it.No, no, beer, you don't understand. You have to go to college before you learn how to do those things. If you haven't gone to college, then you don't know how to do them, you just think you do
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Post by hurley1980 on Apr 25, 2012 18:48:03 GMT -5
Agreed Firebird!!!! Karma for you!
The sole reason I am going back to get my degree at 32 years of age is because the position that I hold now, and the positions I have been employed in since I graduated high school all require some sort of degree now, and in the event I get laid off, I don't want to be unemployable. Thanks to everyone and their neighbors dog getting degrees, the job market is flooded with degree holding job seekers, and if I want to complete with them anytime in the future, I better have a degree too! It doesn't mean that I'm an idiot just because I don't have one right now. I make $60 a year without one, in a relatively LCOL area. I have managed to be debt free (minus car and mortgage), buy my own house as a single woman, max out my IRA contributions and my 401k, win awards and certificates at my company, and network with engineers holding PHD's. Obviously I am not a bumbling idiot. I also know graduates who can barely spell their own name. I would not call these people educated!
I also take offense to what someone said early about science and math majors having the only real rounded education (although I've been around here long enough to know I shouldn't be THAT offended). Its utter BS.
Okay, rant over....
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Post by Firebird on Apr 25, 2012 18:49:00 GMT -5
ETA: I'm not knocking learning or higher education. I love learning, and I love educating myself.
Same here! But if there's one thing college taught me, it's that real education doesn't happen in school. I fought that lesson pretty damn hard for five or six years because I was so invested in believing that college was the answer to everything forever and ever amen, but it sunk in eventually.
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Post by Rocky Mtn Saver on Apr 25, 2012 18:53:41 GMT -5
ETA: I'm not knocking learning or higher education. I love learning, and I love educating myself. Same here! But if there's one thing college taught me, it's that real education doesn't happen in school. I fought that lesson pretty damn hard for five or six years because I was so invested in believing that college was the answer to everything forever and ever amen, but it sunk in eventually. Personally, I'd vote for exposing kids to travel, volunteering, and work experience as a good way to create a well-rounded young individual.
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Post by Firebird on Apr 25, 2012 18:57:02 GMT -5
The sole reason I am going back to get my degree at 32 years of age is because the position that I hold now, and the positions I have been employed in since I graduated high school all require some sort of degree now, and in the event I get laid off, I don't want to be unemployable.
That's more or less why I went back too, so good for you! There's absolutely nothing wrong with getting a utility degree nowadays. If you want to enrich yourself, you can read books or take classes on the side. Going to school for four years and spending insane amounts of money on a degree that will earn you $35k/year just so you can say you're educated is ridiculous.
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Post by milee on Apr 25, 2012 19:09:16 GMT -5
College majors with the highest unemployment
* 1. Clinical psychology 19.5% * 2. Miscellaneous fine arts 16.2% * 3. United States history 15.1% * 4. Library science 15.0% * 5. (tie) Military technologies; educational psychology 10.9% * 6. Architecture 10.6% * 7. Industrial & organizational psychology 10.4% * 8. Miscellaneous psychology 10.3% * 9. Linguistics & comparative literature 10.2% * 10. (tie) Visual & performing arts; engineering & industrial management 9.2% * 11. Engineering & industrial management 9.2% * 12. Social psychology 8.8% * 13. International business 8.5% * 14. Humanities 8.4% * 15. General social sciences 8.2% * 16. Commercial art & graphic design 8.1% * 17. Studio art 8.0% * 18. Pre-law & legal studies 7.9% * 19. Materials engineering and materials science and composition & speech (tie) 7.7% * 20. Liberal arts 7.6% * 21. (tie) Fine arts and genetics 7.4% * 22. Film video & photography arts and cosmetology services & culinary arts (tie) 7.3% * 23. Philosophy & religious studies and neuroscience (tie) 7.2% * 24. Biochemical sciences 7.1% * 25. (tie) Journalism and sociology 7.0% Suck it YM, you were wrong!!! Taken from the article 25 College Majors With the Highest Unemployment Rate, which can be found here www.cbsnews.com/8301-505145_162-57325132/25-college-majors-with-the-highest-unemployment-rates/I was curious about the underlying study - how it grouped majors and the methodology. So I clicked on the link, which then directed me to the Georgetown study. If you actually read the Georgetown study, this is not what it says. Here's a link: s3.documentcloud.org/documents/282184/hard-times.pdf
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Post by milee on Apr 25, 2012 19:10:50 GMT -5
Here's the summary from the actual study:
College Majors, Unemployment and Earnings 16 UNEMPLOYMENT RATES EARNINGS MAJOR RECENT COLLEGE GRADUATE EXPERIENCED COLLEGE GRADUATE GRADUATE DEGREE HOLDER RECENT COLLEGE GRADUATE EXPERIENCED COLLEGE GRADUATE GRADUATE DEGREE HOLDER AGRICULTURE AND NATURAL RESOURCES 7.0% 3.5% 2.4% $32,000 $50,000 $65,000 SCIENCE- LIFE/PHYSICAL 7.7% 4.7% 2.2% $32,000 $60,000 $87,000 ARCHITECTURE 13.9% 9.2% 7.7% $36,000 $64,000 $71,000 HUMANITIES AND LIBERAL ARTS 9.4% 6.1% 3.9% $31,000 $50,000 $65,000 COMMUNICATIONS, JOURNALISM 7.3% 6.0% 4.1% $33,000 $54,000 $64,000 COMPUTERS AND MATHEMATICS 8.2% 5.6% 4.1% $46,000 $76,000 $91,000 EDUCATION 5.4% 3.9% 1.9% $33,000 $43,000 $56,000 ENGINEERING 7.5% 4.9% 3.4% $55,000 $81,000 $100,000 LAW AND PUBLIC POLICY 8.1% 4.5% 3.5% $34,000 $55,000 $70,000 SOCIAL SCIENCE 8.9% 5.7% 4.1% $37,000 $60,000 $85,000 INDUSTRIAL ARTS — 4.7% — — $71,000 — HEALTH 5.4% 2.2% 1.9% $43,000 $63,000 $81,000 PSYCHOLOGY AND SOCIAL WORK 7.3% 5.9% 3.2% $30,000 $45,000 $60,000 RECREATION 8.3% 4.5% 2.0% $30,000 $50,000 $61,000 ARTS 11.1% 7.1% 6.2% $30,000 $46,000 $55,000 BUSINESS 7.4% 5.3% 4.4% $39,000 $63,000 $84,000 APPENDICES
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Looks like engineers aren't doing that badly. Wonder how this was misquoted in the article?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2012 19:24:00 GMT -5
And furthermore, why is it okay for math and science majors to not be "well rounded" by having to take more English, History and Foreign Languages (after all those subjects are obviously a waste of time) but when a History major is not well-rounded because they only have to take one math class that makes them a moron. Education is what you make of it. I took only one quarter of an accelerated English class, which fulfilled my English requirement. I qualified because my verbal ACT was high enough. My electives were carefully-chosen. I took 2 years of German and I'm more fluent now than I was back then. I took a class on women's health and one on music appreciation, both of which I thoroughly enjoyed. Instead of an assortment of entry-level subjects, I took 2 years each of Econ and Physics, and 2 years of Math courses at the graduate/undergrad level (in other words, grad students were sitting next to me and getting graduate degree credits) instead of the one year required. I took programming courses with the engineers. (And, speaking of flirting, try being the only woman in a class full of Engineering or Physics majors in the 1970s. Woo-hoo!) Yeah, I am smart and so are many of the others on this Board. That's not my point. My point is that there are many ways to fulfill the requirements for a degree. If you don't care about breadth or depth, you can still get a degree and probably a higher GPA than I got- but you won't be as employable and you won't have learned as much. As for foreign languages- just this morning I went hunting through a French reinsurance treaty looking for a clause our lawyers had wanted included- and found it. ;D
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2012 19:37:24 GMT -5
Lmao... Either some journalism major failed the math part of that article, or it was written by a creative writing major
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Post by Opti on Apr 25, 2012 19:43:21 GMT -5
From Milee's link:
Unemployment for students with new Bachelor’s degrees is an unacceptable 8.9 percent,1 but it’s a catastrophic 22.9 percent for job seekers with a recent high school diploma—and an almost unthinkable 31.5 percent for recent high school dropouts.
I believe the unemployment rate in many states is very close to that 8.9% rate sometimes over sometimes under possibly implying that the unemployment rate as a whole tracks the unemployment rate of college grads with bachelor's degrees.
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Post by Opti on Apr 25, 2012 19:54:06 GMT -5
More from Milee's link:
Majors that are more closely aligned with particular occupations and industries tend to experience lower unemployment rates. Majors such as Healthcare, Education and those related to technical occupations tend to have lower unemployment rates than more general majors, like Humanities and Liberal Arts, where graduates are broadly dispersed across occupations and industries. Unemployment rates for recent graduates in Healthcare and Education are 5.4 percent compared to 9.4 percent for people who majored in Humanities and the Liberal Arts. More than three out of four people who major in Education work in the Education industry while no more than 20 percent of Liberal Arts graduates are concentrated in any single industry. At the same time, majors that are closely aligned with occupations and industries can misfire. For example, tying oneself to a particular major can be a problem if the associated occupations or industries collapse. Unemployment rates for recent college graduates who majored in Architecture start high at 13.9 percent and, due to its strong alignment with the collapse in construction and housing, unemployment remains high even for experienced college graduates at 9.2 percent. Employment patterns among experienced workers who have been out of college for a while suggest that recent graduates will fare better as the recovery continues. With the exception of majors in Architecture, International Business and Theater Arts, more experienced workers have substantially lower unemployment rates and higher earnings than recent college graduates.
Just like location, location, location in real estate I would say specialization, specialization, specialization is the key in the employment market. I bolded the last sentence as I feel it is incomplete and misleading. That happens in quite a few pockets I am aware of in information technology and engineering.
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Post by Cookies Galore on Apr 25, 2012 20:21:22 GMT -5
College majors with the highest unemployment
* 1. Clinical psychology 19.5% * 2. Miscellaneous fine arts 16.2% * 3. United States history 15.1% * 4. Library science 15.0% * 5. (tie) Military technologies; educational psychology 10.9% * 6. Architecture 10.6% * 7. Industrial & organizational psychology 10.4% * 8. Miscellaneous psychology 10.3% * 9. Linguistics & comparative literature 10.2% * 10. (tie) Visual & performing arts; engineering & industrial management 9.2% * 11. Engineering & industrial management 9.2% * 12. Social psychology 8.8% * 13. International business 8.5% * 14. Humanities 8.4% * 15. General social sciences 8.2% * 16. Commercial art & graphic design 8.1% * 17. Studio art 8.0% * 18. Pre-law & legal studies 7.9% * 19. Materials engineering and materials science and composition & speech (tie) 7.7% * 20. Liberal arts 7.6% * 21. (tie) Fine arts and genetics 7.4% * 22. Film video & photography arts and cosmetology services & culinary arts (tie) 7.3% * 23. Philosophy & religious studies and neuroscience (tie) 7.2% * 24. Biochemical sciences 7.1% * 25. (tie) Journalism and sociology 7.0% Suck it YM, you were wrong!!! Taken from the article 25 College Majors With the Highest Unemployment Rate, which can be found here www.cbsnews.com/8301-505145_162-57325132/25-college-majors-with-the-highest-unemployment-rates/Suck it harder, YM! I'm a Journalism major! (I prefer this study )
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Post by Cookies Galore on Apr 25, 2012 20:32:23 GMT -5
I'll be honest, my hardest class was personal defense for women. I had to do a ton of sit-ups, way too much running, a lot of stretching, and a bunch of punching and kicking. It was hard! I also accidentally kicked my instructor in the nuts; somehow I managed to bypass the cup.
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