Wáter and URANIUM!

[Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger]

I have had discussions with a couple people about water already. So lets have a place to discuss water related issues, investing and solutions.

This is an interesting concept.

The Big Chill: Could Towing Icebergs to Water-Short Regions Really Work?
www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,2071147,00.html

[The Virginian]

Wouldn't it be cheaper to have a desalinization Plant?

[Driftr]

Didn't Brewster make millions doing that in the 80's?

[The Virginian]

Didn't Brewster make millions doing that in the 80's?

Towing Icebergs?

[Driftr]

Yeah. I thought he invested in a company that was going to strap some engines on the back of one and drive it down to The Kingdom.

[verrip1]

Aging infrastructures in US and Europe. Needed infrastructures everywhere else. That = growth for water related services and equipment. Look at PHO. There's also a global water ETF, but I can't recall the symbol.

It won't happen overnight. But it certainly will happen in the not-so-distant future.

[Driftr]

There's also a global water ETF, but I can't recall the symbol.

Looks like there are at least three. FIW, CGW, PHO

seekingalpha.com/article/35540-blue-gold-comparing-the-water-etfs

[The Virginian]

And who says you can't learn something new here?

[silverdollar]

Well, I don't know if this thread is some more juvenile humor spillover or not, but I took a look at the article. Pure water for arid areas---a plus. I calculated the cost of the operation based on the numbers provided and the cost to transport would be under 1 cent per gallon of water---a definite plus.

But how do you process that big honkin' ice cube when you get it to it's new home? You can't very well place people with jack-hammers on top. Icebergs have a tendency to flip when they become imbalanced. Explosives? How much would be wasted due to that? How do you gather the fragments?

Fresh water for arid regions was a "happy thought" from our rat-packsters but unfortunately, as always, reality must enter into the thinking on this and all other ideas.

[kman]

Replace food...with water

[domeasingold]

DON"T LIVE IN A DESERT!!!!!!!!!!!!

[kman]

Lake Ontario is five miles away from my house. fresh water baby! There should be an ETF on my yet to be 10 million dollar house...not sure where I would put the stadium seated home theater...oh well...Thank God Mrs. Kman is a designer by trade. She'll figure something out.

[domeasingold]

Lake Michigan is 25 miles from my house. Don't get me started on for profit water suppliers vs. municipal supplied water.
I pay $125/month to a for profit supplier.
The municipality next town over charges $80 for equivilent useage.
Same source of watwr except the for profit owns the pipeline from the municipal source.
How long before the for profit company makes the municipality an offer they can't refuse.

But I am fighting back. I just became a shareholder in the for profit company. They pay 8% dividend.

[kman]

You want your money back? Become an owner..Nice move. Did the same thing with AIG.

[Mad Dawg Wiccan]

The richest person/company in the history of the world will be the one that develops an economical way to desalinate sea water.

[Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger]

Nice work Dome. My next K is for you.

I believe there are many ways to utilize the water we have right now. We have to much water in some place, not enough in others. Irrigation, yep, tanks, yep. We know where it starts its a matter of trapping it off the start so that is doesn't start to flood. Kinda like the ice berg but simpler. And yes, to the negative poster, this is a serious thread to discuss the topics that posters are talking about, and even the possibility that as the guy who is trying to make this work, might actually pull this off.

"Mougin hopes to launch the pilot test next year and advance to a full-scale trial a year or two later. He's also confident of the gambit's commercial potential and has formed a company called WPI (Water and Power from Icebergs) to exploit it. After nearly 40 years of effort, Mougin anticipates serving frozen drinks en masse soon.

Read more: www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,2071147,00.html#ixzz1Q9tYh5kp"

[Mad Dawg Wiccan]

Great.......... Global Draining

Not necessarily. Water may become contaminated, but as a substance it is very nearly indestructible unless you manage to rip the hydrogen/oxygen bond apart.

What is drunk today and excreted will become part of the evaporation/rain cycle for later.

[silverdollar]

"And yes, to the negative poster, this is a serious thread to discuss the topics that posters are talking about"

In that case let's take a serious look at the immense quantity of water we're talking about here. If one of the targets is to irrigate land to be farmed which was previously too dry for agriculture then how much water would be needed?

A quick check on average rainfall in a couple of the midwestern states that grow wheat and corn is about 26 inches per year. Even with that there is considerable additional water pulled up from the aquifier beneath to supplement the normal rainfall.

Let's say our target farmland will need 30 inches of rainfall but only gets 15 inches. So how much additional water is needed per acre? The answer is a staggering 440,000 gallons per acre.

Let's say we intend to irrigate 1 million acres to feed a couple of million people, then we would need 440 billion gallons of water or approximately 251 of the icebergs in the OP which would cost 2.5 billion dollars (2,510 dollars per acre) just in towing cost, not counting the immense cost of processing the icebergs upon arrival.

I have read of a project that would be much cheaper to operate but there is a catch here too. Build a large pool near the ocean which can be filled with seawater at high tide. Then seal the doors before the tide goes out. Make the pool watertight. Place clear plastic panels at a slight angle above. As the sun heats up the seawater it evaporates and condenses on the panels and runs off into a trough and is collected. Pure salt free water. There would be maintenance costs to clear away the sand and accumulated salt in the pool bed but it would still be very cheap fresh water. The catch is that you would need gigantic pools to desalinize enough water. The start up cost would be extremely high.

[smackdown]

"Lake Ontario is five miles away from my house. fresh water baby!"

Poop runs down hill. Water moves it along faster. You're the FIFTH Great Lake in the chain... baby. It should occur to you all about the body that represents 20% of the world's fresh water supply. First, the value of water and minerals has been a target for two decades now. The Rights to sub-surface oil, minerals and water have been bought by giants who intend to exploit them. The surface property has been devastated by a planned and controlled attack on industry, especially manufacturing, the area's dominant employer, trashing values. There are settlements on the lakes above Superior that exist solely to provide more source for downstream exploitation.

Read your history about the Evart Head. Once one of the most vigorous Springs surrounded by rich fertile farmland, Ice Mountain and other bottled water labels pumped it at a rate of 175,000 gallons per minute. Then the surrounding once-fertile farmland soil started disintegrating into dust. Today, it's still not sustaining the crops it used to, even though the Head has been capped.

Lake Ontario has two potential dangers. First, what they do upstream deposits in that Lake and can easily pollute it. Second, it lies on a Fault with documented history. Only now are we waking up to the fact that unnatural activity tends to shift pressures that can cause major geological shifts. You can MAKE your own desalinator for a few bucks. If you're smarter and see the world as more than some Financial Sector funds and instruments... buy the "water" books that preceded the current era. They contain all the How-To's you'll ever need and maps of the Heads that are no longer accessible to the general public.

What on Earth will these money-grubbers creepers do when some boob suggests that AIR is the real commodity and they set course to control it? Better to destroy the vessel at sea than to allow those diseased minds on board to reach land again.

[The Virginian]

But I am fighting back. I just became a shareholder in the for profit company. They pay 8% dividend.

Great going Dome - If you can't beat them - Join them!

[silverdollar]

I guess I overestimated you Mr. Happy Meal. I believed you when you said this was a serious discussion and I shot some serious facts and figures your way and you dropped your thread. The honorable way would have been for you to admit you had your head in the clouds, again, and were wrong, again.

[bimetalaupt]

Jun 24, 2011 17:46:02 GMT -5 @silverdollar said:

I guess I overestimated you Mr. Happy Meal. I believed you when you said this was a serious discussion and I shot some serious facts and figures your way and you dropped your thread. The honorable way would have been for you to admit you had your head in the clouds, again, and were wrong, again.

Silver Dollar,
this is a personal attack.. it is in violation of the CoC : Please Read...

"our COC
« Thread Started on Dec 23, 2010, 5:24pm »

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The short version: Treat your fellow posters with courtesy and respect. This means no personal attacks, racial slurs, stalking, etc."

You might also reread some of your other post.. Moon is very clear about what MT has to do to return to our proper state of order.. What you wrote is clearly personal and meant as an insult.
This is an official warning about violation of the CoC. I could have done more but I think a lot of your offerings.. As you know I am open to suggestions so PM me or Revo if you have questions on how the CoC is being interpreted. Moon has the last word.

Just my thoughts esp on the CoC,
Bi Metal Au Pt

[bimetalaupt]

Frank The ,
I got your e-mail in the Lab tonight.. Yes this has been a very bad week.. Money is hard to come by and like others I find myself hoarding cash to be here for the next 10 years or so..

We are working on a project that can use salt water from the wells in Anson, Jones county that have been contaminated by poor well "caping" during the 1950's. With the fresh water from Abilene's recycled water we should be able to grow high salt tolerant B.Braunii. It is all about money and to make this work in our water poor area we will need to fight with one of those "..." Mega firms that want to build a coal power plant some 40 miles from the water..

Well we can have one of the two projects as there is only so much water.. Only project that use the salt water is us. Sorry I have gotten my Blood sugar ( now 400) out of sight over the subject.
I have had a real bad sick day today.. layed down for a second and woke up 7 hours later)...
I have no idea why they want to build the Coal Fired plant in West Texas and Export the Electric power to the East... Be better to build the plant in the east where they have water rather then shipping coal 2,000 miles to the area that does not have water. It is imposable for me to express my true feelings on the subject and be within the CoC. ( This is the project we talked about ).. it also has e-126 wind turbines for electric power and the funny things is the electric grid is overloaded.

I keep getting feelers from other firm that it was not me that self destroyed the Dog and Pony show..

Just a thought,
Bi metal Au Pt... AKA Bruce

[smackdown]

"In a lot of municipalities (and/or states) collection of rain water or snow run off is illegal. The water companies think you're stealing their water.

That said, it will be come a necessity as aquifers and traditional water sources dry up and/or get contaminated. Filtration and sterilization would still be highly recommended due to the amount of not nice things in rain water now a days."

Excellent angle. The very container you save it in makes a difference but utilizing solar energy and various rays to purify and sterilize is the key. Germany is way ahead of us on water collection and re-use. Again... the prior to current era books on water purification are price-less. Less emphasis on chemical treatment, more on natural curing.

I make my own rain barrels and collect it about 10 months a year. It's far better for your garden than what comes through your hose.

[silverdollar]

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[Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger]

Collecing your own rain water is good, around here there are lots of apartment buildings that collect rain water as well. Grey water from the shower and sink can be recycled for use in your toilet tanks. The water that is flushed from that tank can go into a recycling septic system that will water your lawn.

Thanks for the info B, your experiments are great.

[moon/Laura]

Jun 25, 2011 8:13:40 GMT -5 @silverdollar said:

it's just not normal for men to not spar with other men.

you can't spar without calling names?? time to learn, if not.

[silverdollar]

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[verrip1]

Chess?

[verrip1]

OK. You really got me. Good job!! I thought I could pick you out of a crowd of a thousand posters, but I didn't have a clue this time. I guess it was the use of the avatar. My bad.