Over the Long Term the Markets WILL be Up;Invest Accordingly

[Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger]

Yes, the title is correct!

LONG TERM INVESTING, IS BE THE BEST THING!!!!

When you take a step back and look at the last 200 years this is the picture that you get..




So while the world might be falling apart today. Next week, or next year, it's going to be clear. That investing some money in the markets, is better than living in FEAR!!!

[Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger]

The first point I would like to make is....

This message is brought to you by the letter, FT"I".. and by the number 1..

[maui1]

if you looked back at the history of all world powers, all of their history was up until they failed. did their past history help them when they failed? using history as a predictor seems like a game of musical chairs, it works until it doesn't.

[maui1]

wzy- you know i agree with most of what you say...........my only draw back, is the game itself. companies, (very large ones) and investment houses, have all been proven to be able to lie about anything and everything...........

you are SPECULATING that these public companies are telling the truth, and that our gov't knows what the truth is, from a lie.

i am not sure the evolution of money and our markets, has been a positive one, one that can not fail tomorrow, if confidence is lost for almost any reason what so ever.

confidence could be lost with our debt debate, greece, china, depression, boa failure, anything, and the market drop, over night could be dramatic.

i know you can say "if this happens, who cares, as everyone will be effected", but i don't think that has to be, or will be the case.

[bumpybumpington]

True. But I would rather "invest", not "speculate". I would also rather invest based on probabilities rather than speculative internet conspiracy bull shit. For my money, and it really is all about the money and nothing more or less, I will stick with proven companies and proven strategies along with the proven concept of compounding over the long term to achieve some level of wealth and security.

I am waiting for the ILLUMINATI to weigh in on all of this "proven" approach stuff.
I might have a long wait since they have yet to make any definitive assertions as to whether or not they actually exist.
So while I am waiting, I believe I will also endorse the "proven" approach to investing and leave the wild speculations to the...well you know...speculators.

[verrip1]

There are people who are just plain afraid of markets, so they create bizarre fantasies about markets. They will never invest. Instead they will try hoarding. Long term investing works. I can't really say that long term buy and hold is the best way, but that's verrrry different from long term investing.

The chart shows it. There are ups and downs. They come in cycles. The timing is not exact, but there are definite cycles. I've come to find ways to deal with this that make me money. Not every year, but in that "Lost Decade" I made a lot of money, and I know perfectly well that I'm just an amateur trying his best to make his money work for him; not even close to being any sort of expert or guru. The fact that I do well, proves to me that any schmuck can do the same if they study hard, have some guts, and don't lose their cool when things get tough.

However, there are those, just like many from the Great Depression, whose heads were hit hard by the 2000 and 2008 recessions. Their mindsets changed forever. They will live the rest of their lives in fear that some hateful manipulator will try and take away what they have. They'll become hoarders to one degree or another. Cash, metal bars, whatever; buried in the back yard. I thank my lucky stars I'll never have to live even one second with that kind of fear and loathing.

[kman]

Cheer up maui! I'll look around and see if I can find you a triple inverse hopefulness ETF for you

[Driftr]

Sept 20, 2011 10:59:14 GMT -5 kman said:

Cheer up maui! I'll look around and see if I can find you a triple inverse hopefulness ETF for you

TZA or FAZ would serve that purpose. Just beware of the daily balancing and how it'll screw you long term.

www.darwinsfinance.com/riskiest-etfs-earth-3x-returns/

[maui1]

The modern "investor" should look in the mirror, there you will see the person that is to blame for your investing failure. NOT the government, NOT some world wide conspiracy, NOT the speculative company you invested in, NOT Madoff, it is you and your GREED, as usual, that is the source of investing failure.

good comments! i agree 100% with your statement. you (anyone, any company) take the risk, you take the hit, no matter the impact it has on anyone or anything else. i wish our gov't felt this way as well.

[frankq]

Sept 20, 2011 10:59:14 GMT -5 kman said:

Cheer up maui! I'll look around and see if I can find you a triple inverse hopefulness ETF for you

Shit kman, that's pretty funny..

[kman]

I try.

[Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger]

You get results..

Long term investing works. I can't really say that long term buy and hold is the best way, but that's verrrry different from long term investing.

That's an interesting point Vman, how do you set your self up for this kind of strategy? If you don't mind sharing that is.

if you looked back at the history of all world powers, all of their history was up until they failed. did their past history help them when they failed? using history as a predictor seems like a game of musical chairs, it works until it doesn't.

I don't agree with this at all. China and India were both world powers at one point in the past. Is there history done? Nope. Europe, is their history done? Africa was a power a long long time ago, is their still history being wrote there? Further into it, look at how many American companies are making it in China, and India, ect..

I would go on, but I cover all of this in the Free Enterprise thread, your more than welcome Maui one to discuss these kinds of business/ money related to the overall market and direction topics in there. There is also the American Renaissance Thread as well that covers how WE all will get a slice of the pie, and it won't be one legged world anymore..

[maui1]

NO MATTER WHAT! THE MARKETS WILL BE UP

this seems like the child book about the train going up a hill. seems children have grown up with these dreams, wanting so badly for them to be true, no matter what their eyes see.

[maui1]

I don't agree with this at all. China and India were both world powers at one point in the past. Is there history done?

a ham- we were talking about investment strategies...........i guess my thoughts would be wrong if your idea of LONG term investing includes hundreds of years, between highs and lows.

i don't know about you, but no matter how much i want to believe that i will never die, i know i will, and long before i get to 200 years old.

[kman]

It's called estate planning genius. Assuming you have children ..grandchildren...etc. Trust funds...you get the idea...no....you probably don't.

[maui1]

It's called estate planning genius. Assuming you have children ..grandchildren...etc. Trust funds...you get the idea...no....you probably don't.

so you are making stock decisions today for your great great great great grandchildren. i hope they like what you pick for them. NOW......i understand! why didn't you guys tell me that 10 months ago? now i see the genius in your thought process.

don't worry about gold anymore......i am sure the price of gold will be moot by then.

[kman]

notmsnmoney.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=startinvesting

Start here. Come back in about five years. At least learn the basics before you come to participate.

[maui1]

basics are sound money, less gov't, and more personal responsibility in all areas of american life.

did it get that right?

[kman]

We should consolidate your learning experience. Be right back.

[Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger]

Sept 21, 2011 7:47:08 GMT -5 @maui1 said:

I don't agree with this at all. China and India were both world powers at one point in the past. Is there history done?

a ham- we were talking about investment strategies...........i guess my thoughts would be wrong if your idea of LONG term investing includes hundreds of years, between highs and lows.

i don't know about you, but no matter how much i want to believe that i will never die, i know i will, and long before i get to 200 years old.

Oh you were, ok, because it was a little vague if you were staying on topic or not.

In that case investing in the historical sense, well first wxyz has pointed out that 40-50 yrs ago the common man still couldn't really afford to invest. So the people that were investing 200 yrs ago most likely still have some original shares of KO, IBM, GE, JNJ, ect. I know one former poster on here had IBM shares for over 50 yrs, they pd for some of his and his son's University degrees(bought by his parents so that's grandchildren right there).

Over that 200 yrs if you did your homework, you, and your grandchildren's, grandchildren, could have done really well. Going into the future, again look at how well American Companies are doing world wide.

Buy them stocks, not backpacks
www.financialpost.com/personal-finance/them+stocks+backpacks/5337057/story.html

[kman]

not backpacks
Just bought a backpack...Millitary issue. High Peaks Adirondacks ..October 1st...We gonna hike some peaks ;D

[Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger]

Unfortunately, the last thread that talked about markets being up was removed from here. So in relation to the 2011 MARKETS WILL BE UP TOPIC!!

I have been syaing all summer it's about earnings and then temp hiring kicks in. Earnings have kept the market were it's at up until this point, and now; just imagine the stories over the next few weeks.

General Mills Earnings Beat Expectations
www.nytimes.com/2011/09/22/business/general-mills-earnings-beat-expectations.html

UPDATE: Bed Bath & Beyond 2Q Profit Up 26% On Sales, Margin
online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20110921-714716.html

Herman Miller 1Q Profit Up 53% On Higher Output, Price Boost
online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20110921-713348.html

Red Hat 2Q earnings rise 69 percent
www.canadianbusiness.com/article/46749--red-hat-2q-earnings-rise-69-percent

Steelcase 2Q Net Soars On Americas Sales; 3Q Outlook Cautious
online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20110921-713601.html

Reason for Optimism: Tech Earnings Keep Beating Expectations
www.fool.com/investing/general/2011/09/21/reason-for-optimism-tech-earnings-keep-beating-exp.aspx

The Cherry on top....

Temp Holiday Jobs Come Early This Year
www.8newsnow.com/story/15499466/temp-holiday-jobs-come-early-this-year

[Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger]

Sept 21, 2011 21:06:10 GMT -5 kman said:

not backpacks
Just bought a backpack...Millitary issue. High Peaks Adirondacks ..October 1st...We gonna hike some peaks ;D

Alright fine just this once!

[Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger]

OOOOpps! Missed this one.

Carnival Net Rises 2.6%
online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424053111904194604576582703507401650.html

[maui1]

US futures plunge as signs of global recession mount.

just sayin...........

[jarhead1976]

The stock market continues its collapse today. The Federal Reserve did virtually nothing to alleviate the global slow down fears and the markets responded with massive downside. At this point, the Dow Jones Industrial Average has fallen over 600 points in the last two days. Today, the SPDR S&P 500 ETF (NYSE:SPY) is trading at $113.05, -3.58 (-3.07%).

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1. Factored Fed: The markets had been floating higher over the last two weeks on anticipation of major intervention by the Federal Reserve. While the markets were moving higher, things in Europe continued to get worse. This move higher was baking into the cake some major QE3 and manipulation by the Federal Reserve. Simply put, the bar was set far too high. Major intervention was factored in, anything less was going to cause a collapse.

2. Bear Flag: Technical analysis is the key to knowing the future. When looking at the daily chart on the S&P 500 or Dow Jones Industrial Average, a massive bear flag had formed. A bear flag is a bearish pattern which forms when a large drop occurs, then sideways to up action follows for a period of time. Note the chart below.

3. Key Trend Line Break: Take the low from August 9th, 2011. Connect the lows on the chart since then and a perfect trend line appears. The markets closed below this trend line yesterday. This set in motion a break down that will take us to the August 9 lows and eventually lower. Note the chart below.

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Gareth Soloway
Chief Market Strategist
www.InTheMoneyStocks.com
Just the news I dont write it but I do read.

www.inthemoneystocks.com/rant-and-rave-blog/item/90145-predicting-the-stock-market-collapse

[Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger]

Interesting points in the article Jarhead. I find it interesint how the market/people are trying to grasp this whole inflation/deflation thing.

Kinda like(not directed at you)...I read between the lines, my CPU tells me maybe there could possibly be a high probability of a recession in the states. Meanwhile the inflation stories from 6 weeks ago have vanished, and yet the earnings numbers are still good! LOL it's like the media is always filling ya full of BS lol!!

Speaking of earnings...

Discover Earnings Surge
online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424053111903791504576586540250752186.html

EasyJet Increases Dividend After Predicting Record Earnings
news.businessweek.com/article.asp?documentKey=1376-LRWU6S6K50XU01-33BGFQQAPB5SJLG8H3HHIBJH2K

Nike Posts Higher Profit, Sales
online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424053111903791504576587150070048050.html

UPDATE: Bed Bath & Beyond 2Q Profit Up 26% On Sales, Margin
online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20110921-714716.html

FedEx Ground Delivers Record 18% Quarterly Margin
torontostar.morningstar.ca/globalhome/industry/news.asp?articleid=395189

[Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger]

Can't forget about this...

Consumer Confidential: Toys R Us hiring; Wal-Mart gets sunnier
latimesblogs.latimes.com/money_co/2011/09/consumer-confidential-toysrus-toys-retailers-christmas-holidays-hiring-workers-walmart-solar-power-panels-california-green.html

companies are expected to hire at about the same level or less than last year's 627,600 jobs from October through December.

600k Jobs will show up in the numbers over the next 3.5 months.

[usaone]

Bull Market ahead!!

[usaone]

Brent Crude down to $103. Hello $2.95 a gallon gas.