Does the universe have a purpose ?

[Forever Sunshine]

Nov 11, 2011 10:08:38 GMT -5 Tosh said:

I wish I had a good answer for you, MK. But, the best I can do is that we've become a nation of self-centered, self-absorbed narcissists who are morally bankrupt and demand their needs be met and be damned to the consequences to anyone else.

The common good or mutual aid is a reasoned morality, we are products of and are affected by our environment, creating an environment that promotes the well being of all will benefit all.

[Tosh]

Maybe it is now time we humans gave up the notion that our universe has any intrinsic purpose and concentrate on our own individual and collective purposes.

I believe we should tackle immortality in a rational and scientific way, find a method of hard copying our memories, replicating our senses, and duplicating our brain processes and simply transplant them into a synthetic human when our own body snuffs it.

We will remove the fear of dying, illness, grief and loss, and live together forever and ever in peace.

We can then travel for thousands of years to other galaxies not worrying about time, all we seem to worry about is time.

[MittenKitten]

Nov 11, 2011 12:20:05 GMT -5 Tosh said:

Maybe it is now time we humans gave up the notion that our universe has any intrinsic purpose and concentrate on our own individual and collective purposes.

I believe we should tackle immortality in a rational and scientific way, find a method of hard copying our memories, replicating our senses, and duplicating our brain processes and simply transplant them into a synthetic human when our own body snuffs it.

We will remove the fear of dying, illness, grief and loss, and live together forever and ever in peace.

We can then travel for thousands of years to other galaxies not worrying about time, all we seem to worry about is time.

Or I will just raise my children in a bubble.....

[MittenKitten]

The purpose of the universe it to make us wonder eternally WHAT is out there past what we know....

[Tosh]

The purpose of the universe it to make us wonder eternally WHAT is out there past what we know....

IT SURE IS COMPLEX, WHETHER THIS IS INTENTIONAL OR BY ACCIDENT IS A MATTER WE MAY NEVER KNOW.

[Spellbound454]

There must be some Darwinian theory as to why this large brained ape is somewhat curious.

Maybe we are just programmed to problem solve.....We have a question in front of us...ie what is the universe...and we seek to answer it.

Our primary purpose is to be born, reproduce and die.....the same as the simplest life-form on the planetl.

[MittenKitten]

Nov 11, 2011 15:00:53 GMT -5 Spellbound454 said:

There must be some Darwinian theory as to why this large brained ape is somewhat curious.

Maybe we are just programmed to problem solve.....We have a question in front of us...ie what is the universe...and we seek to answer it.

Our primary purpose is to be born, reproduce and die.....the same as the simplest life-form on the planetl.

So do we answer or just reproduce and let them figure it out?

[Deleted]

Re: Does the universe have a purpose ?

According to each one's perspective of the universe, probably so.

I bet the farmer thinks so! ;D

[Tosh]

This thread seems to have lost its purpose without God, there may be a lesson in there somewhere.

[femmefatale]

Nov 17, 2011 11:21:00 GMT -5 Tosh said:

This thread seems to have lost its purpose without God, there may be a lesson in there somewhere.

Ya think?

[Deleted]

Nov 17, 2011 11:21:00 GMT -5 Tosh said:

This thread seems to have lost its purpose without God, there may be a lesson in there somewhere.

[femmefatale]

Nov 17, 2011 11:23:45 GMT -5 @beerwench said:

Nov 17, 2011 11:21:00 GMT -5 Tosh said:

This thread seems to have lost its purpose without God, there may be a lesson in there somewhere.

[Tosh]

FF and Beerwench,

What is the purpose to your existence ?

Children, love, goodness, shoes, handbags etc etc.

Give me a clue.

[femmefatale]

Nov 17, 2011 11:41:55 GMT -5 Tosh said:

FF and Beerwench,

What is the purpose to your existence ?

Children, love, goodness, shoes, handbags etc etc.

Give me a clue.

All of those certainly apply.

[Deleted]

Converting oxygen to carbon dioxide.

[femmefatale]

I exist because a Higher Power put me here.

[Tosh]

Converting oxygen to carbon dioxide.

You are not overly ambitious in your aspirations, there may be more to life than breathing, surviving and reproducing.

[Deleted]

You're right, I am not overly ambitious. I have been told on several occasions that it is my fatal flaw.

[Tosh]

I exist because a Higher Power put me here.

I agree that you exist, but I know your parents put you here, so do you.

[Tosh]

You're right, I am not overly ambitious. I have been told on several occasions that it is my fatal flaw.

As long as you are content then it is not a flaw but a gift, just ask any Buddhist.

[femmefatale]

Nov 17, 2011 12:03:52 GMT -5 Tosh said:

I exist because a Higher Power put me here.

I agree that you exist, but I know your parents put you here, so do you.

Yes, physically my Mom did give birth to me and my dad donated but I'm talking about my "existence"....I guess I shouldn't go there since we're not allowed to talk about it anymore.I don't feel well anyways....Going tolie down. Have a good one..

[Deleted]

Nov 17, 2011 12:05:46 GMT -5 Tosh said:

You're right, I am not overly ambitious. I have been told on several occasions that it is my fatal flaw.

As long as you are content then it is not a flaw but a gift, just ask any Buddhist.

I always knew there was nothing wrong with me!!! ;D

[Tosh]

What is the purpose?

Maybe to allow our Creator the ability to experience, enjoy and create through us. Much like we do through our own children.

Considering the age, size and scale of the universe, I very much doubt we occupy much space in the mind of any creator.

[Tosh]

Yes, physically my Mom did give birth to me and my dad donatedbut I'm talking about my "existence"....I guess I shouldn't go there since we're not allowed to talk about it anymore.I don't feel well anyways....Going tolie down. Have a good one..

Your parents are responsible for your existence, hope you feel better soon.

[femmefatale]

Nov 17, 2011 12:09:00 GMT -5 Tosh said:

What is the purpose?

Maybe to allow our Creator the ability to experience, enjoy and create through us. Much like we do through our own children.

Considering the age, size and scale of the universe, I very much doubt we occupy much space in the mind of any creator.

Of course, we already know you think that.

[Tosh]

That is because you don't understand what "we" really means.

Oh I am very conscious of what " we " really means, it is a conscious delusion from humans who do not understand consciousness.

There is no ghost in the machine.

[femmefatale]

Nov 17, 2011 13:13:58 GMT -5 Tosh said:

That is because you don't understand what "we" really means.

Oh I am very conscious of what " we " really means, it is a conscious delusion from humans who do not understand consciousness.

There is no ghost in the machine.

There are no delusions. Just because someone doesn't see things "your" way Tosh, doesn't make them delusional.

[Tosh]

There are no delusions. Just because someone doesn't see things "your" way Tosh, doesn't make them delusional.

My vision is guided by reality, I see what exists, those that wish to see something else are ignoring reality, this is the definition of a delusion.

Please don't shoot the messenger, remember what they did to Jesus for preaching a radical message.

[femmefatale]

Nov 17, 2011 13:49:09 GMT -5 Tosh said:

There are no delusions. Just because someone doesn't see things "your" way Tosh, doesn't make them delusional.

My vision is guided by reality, I see what exists, those that wish to see something else are ignoring reality, this is the definition of a delusion.

Please don't shoot the messenger, remember what they did to Jesus for preaching a radical message.

Well Tosh, being as you are in Scotland dear and I am on the other end of the earth...I highly doubt I have you to worry about unless you can reach through this screen dear!

[femmefatale]

And btw Tosh...I am guided just fine...Faith is a great thing. Call it delusional all day long...That's your opinion.