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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2011 23:43:57 GMT -5
If you think people are judging the Osteen for having a "nice home", your comprehension skills need a bit of a tune up.
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Post by femmefatale on Oct 26, 2011 0:17:35 GMT -5
If you think people are judging the Osteen for having a "nice home", your comprehension skills need a bit of a tune up. There's nothing wrong with her Comprehension skills.
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Post by Tosh on Oct 26, 2011 5:41:39 GMT -5
Morning all,
Despite numerous attempts by me to qualify my objections to this form of evangelizing there still seems to be some misunderstanding.
These low lives are not earning their money through honest hard work, their wealth comes from charitable donations from the public, many of whom are poor and vulnerable. They are using God to make money for themselves at the expense of the very people God and Jesus promised to protect.
They are fraudulently promising material prosperity through God and Jesus, the Christian church is unanimous in condemning such heresy and blasphemy, they are taking Gods name in vain. Neither God nor Jesus promises material wealth, the verses quoted to justify this are to be frank a complete distortion of the tenets and core values of the Christian faith.
It is moral bribery with a false bribe, it is as wrong as wrong can be.
If these people want to make money teaching positive attitudes to achieve the American dream then do not use God or Jesus as a guarantor.
Neither God nor Jesus promise the American dream.
Peace.
I would prefer to move on to more palatable topics, these fraudsters diminish my faith in humanity.
They are as bad as those fake healing preachers, what in Gods name is going on in America ?
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Post by Tosh on Oct 26, 2011 6:18:46 GMT -5
IT IS IN MY CONTRACT, NO MALE NURSES. Thank you for your heartfelt concern over my well being, Florence Nightingale you aint.
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Post by Forever Sunshine on Oct 26, 2011 6:21:51 GMT -5
Morning all, Despite numerous attempts by me to qualify my objections to this form of evangelizing there still seems to be some misunderstanding. These low lives are not earning their money through honest hard work, their wealth comes from charitable donations from the public, many of whom are poor and vulnerable. They are using God to make money for themselves at the expense of the very people God and Jesus promised to protect. They are fraudulently promising material prosperity through God and Jesus, the Christian church is unanimous in condemning such heresy and blasphemy, they are taking Gods name in vain. Neither God nor Jesus promises material wealth, the verses quoted to justify this are to be frank a complete distortion of the tenets and core values of the Christian faith. It is moral bribery with a false bribe, it is as wrong as wrong can be. If these people want to make money teaching positive attitudes to achieve the American dream then do not use God or Jesus as a guarantor. Neither God nor Jesus promise the American dream. Peace. I would prefer to move on to more palatable topics, these people diminish my faith in humanity.
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Post by Tosh on Oct 26, 2011 6:37:34 GMT -5
I am being continually asked if I can prove God exists, the answer is not a yes or a no, the answer is it is a stupid question or at best a rhetorical one.
God is defined by theists as non-physical and science physically proves what exists, therefore the question whether science can physically prove the existence of a non-physical being is idiotic.
Existence is physicality, if God is not physical then it does not exist, this is not proof it is simply deductive logic.
Peace.
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Post by gavinsnana on Oct 26, 2011 7:19:14 GMT -5
I see the bashing and word twisting continues. Non believers are such an angry group Yes it did, but all is well.. found the ignore button! LOL
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Post by gavinsnana on Oct 26, 2011 7:21:45 GMT -5
I agree Tosh, thanks.. it would be nice for this thread to get back on topic and stop bashing and bringing up old MSN fueds.. However in your post above you are using that broad brush again.... I wish you guys would put all Politicians under the same microscope you do Ministers. I see no difference in them either. They make promises they don't/can't keep. Now it would be nice to get back to: Topic: Does God Exist?
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Post by gavinsnana on Oct 26, 2011 7:26:27 GMT -5
Having very limited knowledge of what's in the Bible, I need to ask....Are the words GOD and LORD both titles or is GOD a name? And why are both used through out the Bible. Why not one or the other? Not sure why.. but they are the names.. God, Lord of Hosts, Holy One, Jesus, Son of God, Master... Good Morning to you!
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Post by gavinsnana on Oct 26, 2011 7:27:48 GMT -5
Morning Femme! Like the new Avatar!
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Post by gavinsnana on Oct 26, 2011 7:36:52 GMT -5
Everyone have a nice Day!
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Post by gavinsnana on Oct 26, 2011 8:05:27 GMT -5
I had a female semi-friend, a Jehovah Witness, show up at my house one day, years ago and she was really upset. Let me state, she was not a nut case and very into her church. She said that while at church that day the congregation had been informed that the word GOD referred to the true god and LORD referred to Satan. She said that was the reason both titles would be used in the same sentence or paragraph. That has stuck in my head for years. What was she talking about? Got me. I have always referred to God as Lord. Satan is Lord of Lies.. so dunno. JW can be confusing as well. They, IMO, teach away from the teachings of Christ
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Post by sparkle on Oct 26, 2011 8:13:49 GMT -5
3 If, now, the good news we declare is in fact veiled, it is veiled among those who are perishing, 4 among whom the god of this system of things has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, that the illumination of the glorious good news about the Christ, who is the image of God, might not shine through (2 Corinthians 4).
God/god is a title, you can make a god of anything. Satan is called the God of this system the ruler of the world.
I'll be back later, okay.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2011 9:18:59 GMT -5
If you think people are judging the Osteen for having a "nice home", your comprehension skills need a bit of a tune up. There's nothing wrong with her Comprehension skills. To be clear, my issue with Mr. Osteen is MY OPINION and I really am only concerned not so much with him but with the millions of dollars annually that he takes from the pockets of wonderful kind hearted people such as yourself. Mr Osteen is a marketing genius, he's found his niche/cash cow. Now to be fair, I have nothing against motivational speakers in fact I am familiar with quite a few of them that have gotten very wealthy and I don't have a problem with that. What I do have a problem with is the vehicle of which Mr. Osteen has chosen, rather brilliantly, to use to market himself and get rich. He is using religion to become a very wealthy person. I take issue with people that use the blind faith and open pockets of such wonderful people as yourself. So you see it is only because I care that I see Mr. Osteen as a man taking advantage of a situation that he was dropped into when his father died. You notice his church does not have the obligatory cross and he really doesn't reference the bible that much. The man lives like a rock star for gosh sake, he is not humble nor is he much of a philanthropist, he is however a great motivational speaker and even better marketing machine.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2011 9:20:10 GMT -5
To me the idea of going to hell never made any sense. I believe that any true loving god would grant free will to all and not impose rules and hell upon anyone. Did Jesus actually preach against sin and fear of hell or was this the doing of the church? Hell was introduce by man as a control measure. Something to use to threaten and use fear to once again control the people and their pocketbooks.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2011 9:29:53 GMT -5
No. It was a place created for Satan and his dominions who choose to disobey God. So your god sends people who disobey him to hell? It must be a very busy place.
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Post by pilgrim47 on Oct 26, 2011 9:34:55 GMT -5
"God is defined by theists as non-physical and science physically proves what exists, therefore the question whether science can physically prove the existence of a non-physical being is idiotic." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ I believe it to be next to impossible for science to prove the existance of God... I believe in God... Can science prove me wrong?
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Post by femmefatale on Oct 26, 2011 9:41:27 GMT -5
No. It was a place created for Satan and his dominions who choose to disobey God. Amen. GM, Fritz.
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Post by femmefatale on Oct 26, 2011 9:56:52 GMT -5
So your god sends people who disobey him to hell? It must be a very busy place. God doesn't send anyone to Hell. He made the way and led the way to eternal life. Everyone has the free will to choose Hell for themselves or not. Amen again.
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Post by femmefatale on Oct 26, 2011 10:05:07 GMT -5
This pocket book that you keep bringing up JA is also in the Bible. It is called "tithing"...It shouldn't matter how He makes his money as long as He is doing it justly. So, he preaches God's word? People give back to the Church. There is also scriptures about tithing dear. His home is just a reflection of maybe the money he has, but he is still working wonders in others. When I watch him I am uplifted. There's some I watch, that I turn the tube off as soon as I hear the first sentence because they do not interest me and I can tell right away I'm not interested. You either have the gift of Preaching or you don't. Joel has prospered off of doing so, and I think it's great. He deserves it.
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Post by gavinsnana on Oct 26, 2011 10:06:43 GMT -5
God doesn't send anyone to Hell. He made the way and led the way to eternal life. Everyone has the free will to choose Hell for themselves or not.[/quote][/b] I agree, we all have been given free will, choice. Its up to us what path we take. IN the end God will judge us.. Joey, not going to get into another discussion on the Osteens, you don't know them.. Once again, he lives off what he gets from his books, not what the Church brings in. HAGD
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Post by gavinsnana on Oct 26, 2011 10:09:48 GMT -5
I think I understand, but still wonder, why would a loving god use the threat of "penalty of death" or move them out of Eden? In part, it is these rules, restrictions and threats that cause my doubt. The bible says the wages of sin is death, unless you believe in God, according to his Word, you will not have eternal life.
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Post by gavinsnana on Oct 26, 2011 10:11:04 GMT -5
I don't know what "threats" you are referring too. There is a loving just Holy God who created a way for us his children through the life, sacrifice, death and resurrection of His Son Jesus Christ. One can accept that Sacrifice or not. As for our spiritual nature, if we did what we knew was right in the first place, we wouldn't have eaten the apple. So, what was wrong with eating from the tree of knowledge? I was referring to the threat of Hell. Because it opened them to sin. God said not to eat of it, they disobeyed God and sinned, According to the Bible.
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Post by gavinsnana on Oct 26, 2011 10:12:31 GMT -5
But a true loving god would not ask to be obeyed. ? Not according to the Bible. God is not a meannie. He just says don't sin.. (do bad stuff) Follow the 10 commandments..
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Post by gavinsnana on Oct 26, 2011 10:12:56 GMT -5
No. It was a place created for Satan and his dominions who choose to disobey God. So your god sends people who disobey him to hell? It must be a very busy place. I am thinking it is! LOL
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Post by gavinsnana on Oct 26, 2011 10:16:15 GMT -5
God doesn't send anyone to Hell. He made the way and led the way to eternal life. Everyone has the free will to choose Hell for themselves or not. My grandmother believed that the state we are now living in is actually Hell. True, the Bible says this earth is not the home of Christians, now. But for some, it is their Heaven.. Life is about choices.. God gave us free will. Free will to sin or not.... Now, you all do know that choices have consequences right? Well............ If you kill someone, I think you can figure it out. Steal, hate, kill, adultry.... sin ... right/wrong. Go left, go right.. choices.. chose wisely..
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Post by gavinsnana on Oct 26, 2011 10:19:00 GMT -5
Hey Femme! You changed your avatar again. I was wearing that peace sign necklace Sat. Nite at the Halloween Party.. Had the earrings, as well!
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Post by femmefatale on Oct 26, 2011 10:19:37 GMT -5
Tosh has been rather scarce lately. I haven't seen him since he called me "vulnerable" yesterday....(snicker)
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Post by femmefatale on Oct 26, 2011 10:20:23 GMT -5
Hey Femme! You changed your avatar again. I was wearing that peace sign necklace Sat. Nite at the Halloween Party.. Had the earrings, as well! I like the Peace symbol. I'll bet you looked kewl in your get up! ;D
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Post by gavinsnana on Oct 26, 2011 10:20:37 GMT -5
Tosh has been rather scarce lately. I haven't seen him since he called me "vulnerable" yesterday....(snicker) Maybe he feels bad?? ;D
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