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Post by femmefatale on Oct 25, 2011 18:22:42 GMT -5
Giving does your heart good. Knowing that you helped someone. Plus it can be contagious.. IMO.... If you are mean and nasty to someone, that someone will go off and do the same to another. If you are helpful and give to someone, they are more likely to do the same. Go and help a need person and see what happens. Go to a retirement home and read to an elderly person. or listen to them because they are alone. Instead of having Thanksgiving, go to the shelter and serve. I promise you will get a lot out of it, more than money can buy Because God is good like that.
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Post by femmefatale on Oct 25, 2011 18:23:05 GMT -5
Joey, Joel talks about God. Do you listen to him? IKR??
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Post by gavinsnana on Oct 25, 2011 18:23:36 GMT -5
Yes, it's called goodness and kindness. Try it. No reason to be rude.... I wasn't rude to anyone here.....and unless you are going to ask what I do to give back to my community, then you don't know what "goodness or kindness" I have tried out now do you? Again, no reason to be rude.... I don't think I was being rude. Sorry you took it that way..
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Post by steff on Oct 25, 2011 18:23:55 GMT -5
AGAIN, unless you are going to ask me what I do to give back, then you really don't know what I have or haven't done in that area.....
no reason to act like ONLY a Christian can give freely without wanting anything in return.....
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Post by Tosh on Oct 25, 2011 18:24:57 GMT -5
It is a registered church, he is supposed to be selling God not books.
He is a minister not some life coach, he is collecting donations from poor people and promising them prosperity through Jesus ?
Capitalism only works if there are rules, he is breaking the rules, it is called fraud , this is bad in any country and in any religion. I choose to see the facts and decide on good and bad. Christians believed Hitler was doing good.
His good life is not the issue, it is how he is making his good life that is the problem, drug dealers make good lives, do you cheer them on ?
What has Wall Street or other corrupt bodies have to do with this monster ?
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Post by gavinsnana on Oct 25, 2011 18:25:20 GMT -5
AGAIN, unless you are going to ask me what I do to give back, then you really don't know what I have or haven't done in that area..... no reason to act like ONLY a Christian can give freely without wanting anything in return..... You are misunderstanding my point. I never said only christians do this, far from it
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Post by femmefatale on Oct 25, 2011 18:25:23 GMT -5
No reason to be rude.... I wasn't rude to anyone here.....and unless you are going to ask what I do to give back to my community, then you don't know what "goodness or kindness" I have tried out now do you? I don't think I was being rude. Sorry you took it that way.. Again, no reason to be rude.... Sounds like a lot of rudeness to me in here. Joel Osteen, someone who is a Man of God, is getting smashed to smithereens by preaching the Gospel. I am straight up. Sorry.
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Post by steff on Oct 25, 2011 18:25:48 GMT -5
Telling someone to "try goodness & kindness" without having a clue, IS being rude.....
would you like to know what this NON Christian does to give back or would you rather ASSume that since they don't believe as you do, they do no good for someone else?
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Post by femmefatale on Oct 25, 2011 18:26:13 GMT -5
AGAIN, unless you are going to ask me what I do to give back, then you really don't know what I have or haven't done in that area..... no reason to act like ONLY a Christian can give freely without wanting anything in return..... You are misunderstanding my point. I never said only christians do this, far from it Going to the God thread now. Later NANNA..Good luck!
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Post by gavinsnana on Oct 25, 2011 18:26:55 GMT -5
He isn't promising Prosperity. Jesus is. Its in the bible.. he is merely stating that. IMO, I would rather give to others and help them. I know that God will take care of me, doors will open, some will close.. but He has never let me down yet.
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Post by steff on Oct 25, 2011 18:27:26 GMT -5
Sounds like a lot of rudeness to me in here. Joel Osteen, someone who is a Man of God, is getting smashed to smithereens by preaching the Gospel. I am straight up. Sorry. There is a difference between talking about a well known preacher in a less than glowing light and telling a fellow poster to "try it sometime" as if you know what they do or don't give back..... again, would you care to ask me what I do to give back or keep assuming to know that I do nothing?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2011 18:27:52 GMT -5
Megachurch Pastor Joel Osteen’s wife, Victoria Osteen, is accused of assaulting a Continental Airlines flight attendant named Sharon Brown on a flight from Houston to Vail, Colorado. Sharon Brown alleges that Victoria Osteen became incensed by a stain on her first class seat and threw her into a bathroom door and elbowed her in the left breast.
Victoria Olsteen has been sued for assault. The lawsuit against Victoria Olsteen looks like it should be a pretty open & shut case since the FAA has already fined Victoria Olsteen $3,000 for interfering with a flight crew member. According to the report put out by the FAA, Victoria Osteen asked another flight attendant to clean a stain off of her first-class seat and when that attendant said she was going to go get another flight attendant to do so, Victoria Osteen grabbed yet another flight attendant and showed her the seat. The newest flight attendant said she would call the cleaning people and went to the cockpit, where Victoria Osteen followed her and then assaulted Sharon Brown. After allegedly assaulting Sharon Brown, flight attendants asked Victoria Osteen to leave the plane, which she and Joel Osteen did voluntarily.
Now that Victoria Osteen is getting sued, she and her lawyer are trying to get the FAA report thrown out of the court, saying “The FAA does in all due respect an incredibly incompetent investigation”. The lawyer for Sharon Brown said the FAA did an appropriately thorough investigation.
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Post by gavinsnana on Oct 25, 2011 18:27:57 GMT -5
Telling someone to "try goodness & kindness" without having a clue, IS being rude..... would you like to know what this NON Christian does to give back or would you rather ASSume that since they don't believe as you do, they do no good for someone else? Actually, I was chatting with Tosh and Joey on this.. I am sorry that you somehow took that I meant you.
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Post by steff on Oct 25, 2011 18:29:03 GMT -5
Telling someone to "try goodness & kindness" without having a clue, IS being rude..... would you like to know what this NON Christian does to give back or would you rather ASSume that since they don't believe as you do, they do no good for someone else? Actually, I was chatting with Tosh and Joey on this.. I am sorry that you somehow took that I meant you. It's a message board, not a private chat room..... others can and do reply to posts.....
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Post by gavinsnana on Oct 25, 2011 18:29:41 GMT -5
Good Grief, Joey.. thats old news. I also know the flight attendant that works with the other. She is the one that blew it all up.
Do you know that the woman sued saying she was constipated by all this? LOL.. talk about frivolous law suites
She was found not guilty by the way.
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Post by gavinsnana on Oct 25, 2011 18:31:28 GMT -5
Actually, I was chatting with Tosh and Joey on this.. I am sorry that you somehow took that I meant you. It's a message board, not a private chat room..... others can and do reply to posts..... You are right, but don't take what I say to them so personally,. because it wasn't posted to you.. Ok? Actually butting in is considered rude.. I forgive you
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Post by femmefatale on Oct 25, 2011 18:33:09 GMT -5
It's a message board, not a private chat room..... others can and do reply to posts..... You are right, but don't take what I say to them so personally,. because it wasn't posted to you.. Ok? Actually butting in is considered rude.. I forgive you ( snicker )
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Post by steff on Oct 25, 2011 18:33:21 GMT -5
Oh please.... how ridiculous..... Can you please, pretty please, point out where a conversation here doesn't allow for anyone else to join in without an invitation.... I'll wait....
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Post by gavinsnana on Oct 25, 2011 18:33:36 GMT -5
I will move on as well.. The thread is taking a bad turn to an Old MSN board.. which is why we all left to begin with.
Steff, I wasn't being rude to you.. please do not take what I was saying to Joey or Tosh to mean you..
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Post by Tosh on Oct 25, 2011 18:33:58 GMT -5
FF,
Please pay attention, this is important:
I am responding to Ricks video clips, he requested a response.
I hate no one, not even Christians.
The snake oil salesman you wish to defend is not a minister nor a Christian, according to Christian theologists he preaches heresy and idolatry.
Defend the man or accept he is a fraud, I do not give a monkeys about his wealth, I care about him distorting the message of a moral philosopher called Jesus and emotionally extorting donations from vulnerable people like you .
Peace.
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Post by steff on Oct 25, 2011 18:34:54 GMT -5
FF, Please pay attention, this is important: I am responding to Ricks video clips, he requested a response. I hate no one, not even Christians. The snake oil salesman you wish to defend is not a minister nor a Christian, according to Christian theologists he preaches heresy and idolatry. Defend the man or accept he is a fraud, I do not give a monkeys about his wealth, I care about him distorting the message of a moral philosopher called Jesus and emotionally extorting donations from vulnerable people like you . Peace.
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Post by Tosh on Oct 25, 2011 18:38:46 GMT -5
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Jesus promised prosperity ?
Show me where in the bible.
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Post by Shirina on Oct 25, 2011 18:39:05 GMT -5
Religion was never meant to be Big Business. I really don't know why some people feel it ought to be. There are some professions that will never make one rich ... and perhaps that is a good thing, for it helps ensure that people choose those professions for the right reasons.
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Post by cranberry49 on Oct 25, 2011 18:39:44 GMT -5
No, steff. That was my point. Jesus gave us an example when he refused to become King and therefore more wealthy. John 6:15. "So Jesus, perceiving that they were intending to come and take Him by force to make Him king, withdrew again to the mountain by Himself alone." He also gave plenty of examples such as when he overturned the tables in the Tabernacle because of making money off of poor people, etc. These 'religious preachers' that get rich off of poor believers are nothing but fake, IMO. I would never send them a dime of my money. but that's not what the prosperity gospel does or teaches.... it's about what YOU can get and getting as much as YOU can in money & stuff....that God will reward you in material goods for any good you might do.... it's basically the religious version of "he who dies with the most toys wins". I know. I do not agree with these money hungry users either!
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Post by cranberry49 on Oct 25, 2011 18:41:56 GMT -5
Men of God should be setting much higher standards of humility. Again, I'm not suggesting that they live in squalor, but let's face it, do you think that someone with a $10.5 million home qualifies as part of the meek who will inherit the earth? There is no such thing in scripture about "the Gospel of Prosperity." That's just something he made up to rationalize after-the-fact his embarrassment of riches.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2011 18:42:05 GMT -5
Many have attacked Osteen personally, pointing to the scarcity of references to Jesus in his books, the absence of a cross on stage, his lack of theological training, his refusal to talk about sin. Michael Horton, a professor of theology, more or less called him a heretic on national TV. Others say he's not a preacher at all, but a secular self-help showman, selling platitudes and false hope.
I'm confused is he a self help guru or a "man of god".
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Post by Tosh on Oct 25, 2011 18:47:10 GMT -5
My God, this man is satan, he caused the global economic crisis, he created a depression by telling nit wits God would pay their mortgage !!
Nurse.....Nurse !!
Get me my meds, my eye is twitching in morse code.
S.O.S.
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Only kidding ladies,
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Post by femmefatale on Oct 25, 2011 18:52:25 GMT -5
Vulnerable? Excuse Me? Peace.
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Post by femmefatale on Oct 25, 2011 18:54:48 GMT -5
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jesus promised prosperity ? Show me where in the bible. Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful. But his delight is in the law of the LORD; and in his law doth he meditate day and night. And he shall be like a tree planted by the rivers of water, that bringeth forth his fruit in his season; his leaf also shall not wither; and whatsoever he doeth shall prosper. (Psalm 1:1-3) Commit thy way unto the LORD; trust also in him; and he shall bring it to pass. (Psalm 37:5) Wealth and riches shall be in his house: and his righteousness endureth for ever. (Psalm 112:3) Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths. Be not wise in thine own eyes: fear the Lord, and depart from evil. It shall be health to thy navel, and marrow to thy bones. Honour the Lord with thy substance, and with the firstfruits of all thine increase: So shall thy barns be filled with plenty, and thy presses shall burst out with new wine. (Proverbs 3:5-10) Length of days is in her (wisdom's) right hand; and in her left hand riches and honour. (Proverbs 3:16) By humility and the fear of the LORD are riches, and honour, and life. (Proverbs 22:4) And also that every man should eat and drink, and enjoy the good of all his labour, it is the gift of God. (Ecclesiastes 3:13) Every man also to whom God hath given riches and wealth, and hath given him power to eat thereof, and to take his portion, and to rejoice in his labour; this is the gift of God. (Ecclesiastes 5:19) And they shall build houses, and inhabit them; and they shall plant vineyards, and eat the fruit of them. They shall not build, and another inhabit; they shall not plant, and another eat: for as the days of a tree are the days of my people, and mine elect shall long enjoy the work of their hands. They shall not labour in vain, nor bring forth for trouble; for they are the seed of the blessed of the LORD, and their offspring with them. (Isaiah 65:21-23) But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you. (Matthew 6:33)
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Post by cranberry49 on Oct 25, 2011 18:59:03 GMT -5
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jesus promised prosperity ? Show me where in the bible. Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful. But his delight is in the law of the LORD; and in his law doth he meditate day and night. And he shall be like a tree planted by the rivers of water, that bringeth forth his fruit in his season; his leaf also shall not wither; and whatsoever he doeth shall prosper. (Psalm 1:1-3) Commit thy way unto the LORD; trust also in him; and he shall bring it to pass. (Psalm 37:5) Wealth and riches shall be in his house: and his righteousness endureth for ever. (Psalm 112:3) Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths. Be not wise in thine own eyes: fear the Lord, and depart from evil. It shall be health to thy navel, and marrow to thy bones. Honour the Lord with thy substance, and with the firstfruits of all thine increase: So shall thy barns be filled with plenty, and thy presses shall burst out with new wine. (Proverbs 3:5-10) Length of days is in her (wisdom's) right hand; and in her left hand riches and honour. (Proverbs 3:16) By humility and the fear of the LORD are riches, and honour, and life. (Proverbs 22:4) And also that every man should eat and drink, and enjoy the good of all his labour, it is the gift of God. (Ecclesiastes 3:13) Every man also to whom God hath given riches and wealth, and hath given him power to eat thereof, and to take his portion, and to rejoice in his labour; this is the gift of God. (Ecclesiastes 5:19) And they shall build houses, and inhabit them; and they shall plant vineyards, and eat the fruit of them. They shall not build, and another inhabit; they shall not plant, and another eat: for as the days of a tree are the days of my people, and mine elect shall long enjoy the work of their hands. They shall not labour in vain, nor bring forth for trouble; for they are the seed of the blessed of the LORD, and their offspring with them. (Isaiah 65:21-23) But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you. (Matthew 6:33) I don't believe that this is talking about 'earthly' riches, my dear...At least not in this lifetime.
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