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Post by cranberry49 on Oct 25, 2011 17:57:25 GMT -5
Hello, welts and shirina! Hope your day went well and your night will also. Long time not 'seeing' you, Shirina, how have you been? Do you still live in NC and see those beautiful mountains daily? You know, the ones that make me jealous that you enjoy all the time? LOL...good seeing you again...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2011 17:58:20 GMT -5
I agree, I stick with the 10 Commandments. ----------------------- ALL of them? Never did a lick of work on a Sunday? Never had sex with anyone you weren't married to? Believing them and living them, two different things.
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Post by cranberry49 on Oct 25, 2011 17:58:53 GMT -5
Doesn't the "prosperity gospel" go against most of what religion is supposed to be about? Are you really supposed to be praying for material worldly goods for yourself? NO. Only neccesities of life if you are having a problem providing for yourself and family.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2011 17:59:13 GMT -5
The irony is that you just recently posted this in your "God Loving People" thread: Matthew 16: 26No one can serve two masters. Either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and Money.Perhaps you should read your scriptures a bit more thoroughly before defending a "Man of God" who needs a $10.5 million house.
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Post by Shirina on Oct 25, 2011 18:04:42 GMT -5
Hello, Cranberry ... I think this rare meeting of the minds between an atheist and a Christian has caused us to be on the same wavelength. I was just about to ask if you were the same Cranberry I knew from a previous board and to ask you how things have been! Yep, still living in NC with those wonderful mountains - which are filled with all that fall foliage everyone loves. Hope all is well on your end of the computer.
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Post by steff on Oct 25, 2011 18:04:58 GMT -5
Doesn't the "prosperity gospel" go against most of what religion is supposed to be about? Are you really supposed to be praying for material worldly goods for yourself? NO. Only neccesities of life if you are having a problem providing for yourself and family. I can understand praying if you are in NEED. But if you are already living comfortably, do you pray for more material "stuff"?
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Post by gavinsnana on Oct 25, 2011 18:08:12 GMT -5
Evening FF and Texas, I am afraid your religious friend is not an ordained minister, he is not a confirmed man of God, he is a showman with no religious or theological training. I will speak plainly, This man makes me physically sick and he preaches a disgustingly dishonest message to poor and desperate people. piersmorgan.blogs.cnn.com/2011/01/26/joel-osteen-apologizing-for-wealth-is-almost-an-insult-to-our-god/ He lives in a $10.5 million dollar home, his church cost 100 million dollars to build and there is not one picture or statue of Jesus in it. His church and book turnover exceeds 100 million dollars per year. He gets his money from God ? He fleeces his money from poor people !! This man is immoral to the core. No he isn't Tosh, you don't know them, I do. If he did not have Church, and had that money, no one would care. It is an International Church. Many people from all walks of life go there. Black/white/hispanic/ those from all around the country' His father, Brother Osteen, was an ordained minister, a Baptist. He them went on to form his own church, Lakewood Church. when he died, he turned it over to his son. Joel. He knows the Bible, more than anyone I know. he is a good person. You can baulk all you want about where he lives, what he drives, doesnt' matter, again you don't know them. They were raised in a normal house, normal neigborhood, went to Public School, all of them. He lives off his books. People do give to the Church and they do build. They are in their 4th building. The began in a small barn. I know, I was there. Do you have a problem with rich people that do evil? Then you need to look at some of those in Washington. I am not saying there isn't Ministers that do not take $$$ and live the good life on the backs of its Church Members, there are.. But Joel Osteen isn't one of them have a nice Day Tosh.
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Post by gavinsnana on Oct 25, 2011 18:09:37 GMT -5
I agree, I stick with the 10 Commandments. ----------------------- ALL of them? Never did a lick of work on a Sunday? Never had sex with anyone you weren't married to? Believing them and living them, two different things. I agree. You have to start somewhere.
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Post by Tosh on Oct 25, 2011 18:10:09 GMT -5
He gave a million dollars to the victims of hurricane Katrina, he received a 13 million dollar advance for his 3rd book ? THIS MAN IS A WALKING EXAMPLE OF FREE MARKET UNREGULATED CAPITALISM. I am also a capitalist but I am prevented from selling goods under false pretenses, it is called fraud. What message is this man really selling ? Jesus or prosperity ?
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Post by femmefatale on Oct 25, 2011 18:12:42 GMT -5
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Post by gavinsnana on Oct 25, 2011 18:13:05 GMT -5
If you are a true Christian, and you have "stuff" you would give to others and bless others.. Blessings come to those who give. People do give to others.. Then you have selfish rich folks.. and they are not even Christians and live their rich life and keep it to themselves. I think more of those who give than those who are spoiled, rotten, do drugs and whine about it.. Some come to mind.. Hollyweirds..
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Post by Tosh on Oct 25, 2011 18:14:07 GMT -5
He lives in a 10 million dollar home, he agrees he is wealthy and sees no need to apolgise for it ?
He is not a minister.
The evidence is clear, he is living the good life on the back of donations, 45 million dollars per year of donations !!
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Post by femmefatale on Oct 25, 2011 18:16:00 GMT -5
Once again, opinion.
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Post by steff on Oct 25, 2011 18:16:24 GMT -5
so because someone drops a $20 in the collection plate it's then okay from them to pray that God gives them $100 back since they were "a good little Christian"?
I'll never understand folks that support the greed based prosperity gospel. Just the idea that giving is about what YOU get back in stuff is creepy IMO. Giving is about helping others with nothing to gain for yourself, not doing it because you'll be rewarded with something better & more expensive.
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Post by gavinsnana on Oct 25, 2011 18:16:40 GMT -5
He gave a million dollars to the victims of hurricane Katrina, he received a 13 million dollar advance for his 3rd book ? THIS MAN IS A WALKING EXAMPLE OF FREE MARKET UNREGULATED CAPITALISM. I am also a capitalist but I am prevented from selling goods under false pretenses, it is called fraud. Really Tosh? He isn't selling anything. Whats wrong with instilling a positive life in people? I would rather be around them than a bunch of whiners who do nothing but complain about what they don't have and what others have.. another group comes to mind.... Wallstreeters. I beleive in Capitalism.. I believe in this Country and God.. I chose to see the Good in folks and not the bad. I am all for making a good life.. but you will always have those who despise those who make it in life.. It happens What message is this man really selling ? Jesus or prosperity ?
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Post by Tosh on Oct 25, 2011 18:16:49 GMT -5
......nice guy but he is a heretic.
Go figure.
You could not write the scripts.
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Post by femmefatale on Oct 25, 2011 18:16:52 GMT -5
He lives in a 10 million dollar home, he agrees he is wealthy and sees no need to apolgise for it ? He is not a minister. The evidence is clear, he is living the good life on the back of donations, 45 million dollars per year of donations !! Don't hate just because he is doing well. Who cares about his wallet? So he's good at what he does and?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2011 18:16:59 GMT -5
Once again, opinion. ummm...that be facts. Check it out for yourself.
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Post by cranberry49 on Oct 25, 2011 18:18:15 GMT -5
NO. Only neccesities of life if you are having a problem providing for yourself and family. I can understand praying if you are in NEED. But if you are already living comfortably, do you pray for more material "stuff"? No, steff. That was my point. Jesus gave us an example when he refused to become King and therefore more wealthy. John 6:15. "So Jesus, perceiving that they were intending to come and take Him by force to make Him king, withdrew again to the mountain by Himself alone." He also gave plenty of examples such as when he overturned the tables in the Tabernacle because of making money off of poor people, etc. These 'religious preachers' that get rich off of poor believers are nothing but fake, IMO. I would never send them a dime of my money.
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Post by gavinsnana on Oct 25, 2011 18:18:28 GMT -5
No Steff, I don't give for the pure reason of wanting more. I give because I want to help others. I give to the homeless. Those in need. I help a group that gives out blankets to the homeless. They do this everyweekend and I go as much as I can
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Post by femmefatale on Oct 25, 2011 18:19:42 GMT -5
You know Tosh? I see the thread is called "Does God exist"? Instead of bashing and trashing, ( which is what you have been doing for well over an hour now), why don't you just admit you hate Christians. It would be much easier. From the sounds of your posts, any Person that teaches about God and faith, you have something negative to say about them. But when we say anything about not believing, we get jumped all over like a herd of cattle coming through. Calling it like I see it.
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Post by femmefatale on Oct 25, 2011 18:20:39 GMT -5
No Steff, I don't give for the pure reason of wanting more. I give because I want to help others. I give to the homeless. Those in need. I help a group that gives out blankets to the homeless. They do this everyweekend and I go as much as I can Yes, it's called goodness and kindness. Try it.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2011 18:20:40 GMT -5
Popular televangelist preacher Joel Osteen has been named the “Most Influential Christian in America” in 2006 by the Church Report, was one of Barbara Walters, “10 Most Fascinating People of 2006 and operates an extraordinarily profitable religious scam operation that probably will one day end in scandal.
So who is this guy who has appeared on 60 Minutes, Larry King Live and has his own television shows?
Who is this guy who thinks he can share the mighty name of Joel?
Joel Osteen has not yet had major sex scandals, drug scandals or molestation scandals like the other megachurch pastors: Pat Robertson, Al Sharpton, Ted Haggard, Paul Barnes, D.E. (Earl) Paulk, Jimmy Swaggert, Jim Bakker, William Dodd and too many others to possibly mention here. What Joel Osteen DOESN’T do is the real question.
In his sermons, Joel Osteen does not talk about God. Joel Osteen instead talks about almost everything except God. He has a television ministry, a massive church, $43 million a year in tithes and another $36 million a year in mailed in donations, but he won’t talk about God. He, like Pastor Kevin Gerald, talks about more pleasant topics, such as donating money to him and positive thinking. He has written two books, the second of which sold 3 million copies, but his books don’t really talk about God either. It’s just his bland and boring advice on how to live a happy life that has been thought of by other people first, “Think positively about yourself” and other such drivel.
What does Joel Osteen say when people ask him about why he does not discuss God or Jesus Christ or sin or what you need to do to go to Heaven? “That’s not my gift.” ~~~~
I see what his gift is, making money.
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Post by steff on Oct 25, 2011 18:20:55 GMT -5
I can understand praying if you are in NEED. But if you are already living comfortably, do you pray for more material "stuff"? No, steff. That was my point. Jesus gave us an example when he refused to become King and therefore more wealthy. John 6:15. "So Jesus, perceiving that they were intending to come and take Him by force to make Him king, withdrew again to the mountain by Himself alone." He also gave plenty of examples such as when he overturned the tables in the Tabernacle because of making money off of poor people, etc. These 'religious preachers' that get rich off of poor believers are nothing but fake, IMO. I would never send them a dime of my money. but that's not what the prosperity gospel does or teaches.... it's about what YOU can get and getting as much as YOU can in money & stuff....that God will reward you in material goods for any good you might do.... it's basically the religious version of "he who dies with the most toys wins".
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Post by Shirina on Oct 25, 2011 18:21:03 GMT -5
Men of God should be setting much higher standards of humility. Again, I'm not suggesting that they live in squalor, but let's face it, do you think that someone with a $10.5 million home qualifies as part of the meek who will inherit the earth?
There is no such thing in scripture about "the Gospel of Prosperity." That's just something he made up to rationalize after-the-fact his embarrassment of riches.
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Post by gavinsnana on Oct 25, 2011 18:21:12 GMT -5
Giving does your heart good. Knowing that you helped someone. Plus it can be contagious.. IMO.... If you are mean and nasty to someone, that someone will go off and do the same to another. If you are helpful and give to someone, they are more likely to do the same.
Go and help a need person and see what happens. Go to a retirement home and read to an elderly person. or listen to them because they are alone.
Instead of having Thanksgiving, go to the shelter and serve. I promise you will get a lot out of it, more than money can buy
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Post by femmefatale on Oct 25, 2011 18:21:26 GMT -5
No Steff, I don't give for the pure reason of wanting more. I give because I want to help others. I give to the homeless. Those in need. I help a group that gives out blankets to the homeless. They do this everyweekend and I go as much as I can Nanna! How are you?
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Post by cranberry49 on Oct 25, 2011 18:21:38 GMT -5
Hello, Cranberry ... I think this rare meeting of the minds between an atheist and a Christian has caused us to be on the same wavelength. I was just about to ask if you were the same Cranberry I knew from a previous board and to ask you how things have been! Yep, still living in NC with those wonderful mountains - which are filled with all that fall foliage everyone loves. Hope all is well on your end of the computer. Well, hello hon! I often thought of you. You do remember that I am orginally from NC, the coastal part, don't you? I love the mountains far more than the coast. Good seeing you again.
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Post by steff on Oct 25, 2011 18:21:47 GMT -5
No Steff, I don't give for the pure reason of wanting more. I give because I want to help others. I give to the homeless. Those in need. I help a group that gives out blankets to the homeless. They do this everyweekend and I go as much as I can Yes, it's called goodness and kindness. Try it. No reason to be rude.... I wasn't rude to anyone here.....and unless you are going to ask what I do to give back to my community, then you don't know what "goodness or kindness" I have tried out now do you? Again, no reason to be rude....
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Post by gavinsnana on Oct 25, 2011 18:22:25 GMT -5
Joey, Joel talks about God. Do you listen to him?
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