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Post by Tosh on Oct 20, 2011 8:28:34 GMT -5
A special good afternoon to Texas and FF....of course. ;D
Worshiping God to ease ones conscience simply enables one to carry on behaving badly, please stop doing both and join me in my atheistic perfection of reason and compassion.
God does not forgive you, in reality you forgive yourself.
God is not compassionate or understanding about your weaknesses, in reality it is you who are being compassionate to yourself.
Humans are not perfect beings and living with the consequences of this are not pleasant, I accept reality and I accept human nature.
Since no one is perfect, I fail to see the point in beating myself up for not being perfect.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2011 8:36:42 GMT -5
I try to keep the following in mind when I am tempted to raise my own hand against me to beat me up, needlessly..
Isaiah 53: 4 Surely he took up our pain and bore our suffering, yet we considered him punished by God, stricken by him, and afflicted. 5 But he was pierced for our transgressions, he was crushed for our iniquities; the punishment that brought us peace was on him, and by his wounds we are healed. 6 We all, like sheep, have gone astray, each of us has turned to our own way; and the LORD has laid on him the iniquity of us all.
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Post by Tosh on Oct 20, 2011 8:38:04 GMT -5
Good afternoon Heart and Jemima,
One does not need God to have a conscience, our conscience is a product of our super-ego and an essential survival tool.
You presume too much dear, he had some good ideas but evolutionary psychology is the key to understanding the human condition.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2011 8:41:03 GMT -5
Good afternoon? Tosh, what time zone are you in? Good morning to you from mine.
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Post by Tosh on Oct 20, 2011 8:44:09 GMT -5
Heart, the bible is not the worst attempt we have ever made to deal with the problems of cognizance and understanding human nature, it is just not perfect nor the word of God.
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Post by Tosh on Oct 20, 2011 8:46:00 GMT -5
Scotland has its own unique time zone, it is 2.45 pm.....and guess what ? It is raining.
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Post by jarhead1976 on Oct 20, 2011 8:52:10 GMT -5
Tosh , I am far from delusional. I will say that every phsycologist Ive ever met was more screwed up than the average joe six pack. What you speak of is more learned behavior as it relates to the human condition. Your superiority complex are showing.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2011 8:58:38 GMT -5
Tosh.. But, for me, the word of God is perfect. You need an umbrella? Windshield wipers? A defogger, a squeegee to help clear your windows? Boots? I imagine there's a lot of green-lands around you..
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Post by femmefatale on Oct 20, 2011 9:01:56 GMT -5
Heart, the bible is not the worst attempt we have ever made to deal with the problems of cognizance and understanding human nature, it is just not perfect nor the word of God. Excuse me? The Word of God is perfect in my opinion. Hagd Tosh!
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Post by Tosh on Oct 20, 2011 9:12:35 GMT -5
Morality evolved from our genetic instructions to nurture, cooperate and reciprocate, they are reward systems that give us pleasure because they are essential to our survival. Consciousness adapted and expanded these basic needs into thoughts and feelings of empathy, compassion, altruism and love.
A brief glance at chimp behavior studies confirms the evolutionary origins of our emotions and thoughts.
Status seeking in a social species is also a genetic instruction, one that maximizes reproductive success, it is a battle between self interest and group interest, the " me " and the " we ".
The battle rages inside of us all, our conscience is a consequence of this battle, when we do something in our own interest that hurts group interest then we are punished with guilt, it is just another mechanism in place to protect us from selfish instincts.
A member of a social species fears loneliness and isolation more than anything else, it reduces ones chances of survival and reproduction, it is why we all need to love and be loved.
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Post by Tosh on Oct 20, 2011 9:18:33 GMT -5
You betcha, every time you bloody yanks have a hurricane, we get drenched, whoever called it global warming was not Scottish. ;D
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Post by Tosh on Oct 20, 2011 9:27:23 GMT -5
Bronze Age Jews were pretty clever, they understood human nature and realised that giving the ultimate staus to a God of goodness and love would direct us towards this purpose.
They understood the conflict between self interest and group interest, they created codes of conduct that defined good and evil.
Some they got right some they got wrong but at least it was a start.
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Post by Tosh on Oct 20, 2011 9:42:23 GMT -5
Patients often accuse their psychologists of being screwed up, how many have you met ffs ?
My superiority complex is not a delusion, it is simply a fact.
I have superior evidence and you have a false belief.
Only kidding.
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Post by femmefatale on Oct 20, 2011 9:50:26 GMT -5
Jarhead, You are more than welcome to visit the God thread I created. It's under this same section. Healthy and Spiritual Living. I post a lot of uplifting, Christian songs and Bible scriptures. So feel free any time for a visit.
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Post by Tosh on Oct 20, 2011 10:17:34 GMT -5
Excuse me young madam, Jarhead is quite happy here chatting to me about his delusions, if you wish I will pop into your thread and keep you company. If posting biblical quotes eases your conscience then maybe you should be asking yourself why. ;D
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Post by Tosh on Oct 20, 2011 10:22:09 GMT -5
This is assuming the bible is in fact the word of God, and there seems to be no evidence to support this conclusion, we are right back to the bible is true because the bible says it is true. ;D
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Post by femmefatale on Oct 20, 2011 10:23:36 GMT -5
Excuse me young madam, Jarhead is quite happy here chatting to me about his delusions, if you wish I will pop into your thread and keep you company. If posting biblical quotes eases your conscience then maybe you should be asking yourself why. ;D My My now, don't get negative just because I invite a "Believer" to a "believing thread. Am I bothering You Tosh? I believe I am always nice to You, now aren't I? All this ape talk is making you negative.
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Post by femmefatale on Oct 20, 2011 10:24:31 GMT -5
This is assuming the bible is in fact the word of God, and there seems to be no evidence to support this conclusion, we are right back to the bible is true because the bible says it is true. ;D And I suppose your theory on apes and whatever makes everything plausible also, right? Give me a break.
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Post by femmefatale on Oct 20, 2011 10:25:01 GMT -5
Later Tosh.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2011 10:26:19 GMT -5
Tosh. We quote because we believe. What is your reason behind our postings? Be back to what and why you post. I know you will have something else to tell me.. Oh Tosh, you are indeed a relentless fella. So are we.
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Post by Tosh on Oct 20, 2011 10:33:21 GMT -5
I was pulling your leg just a tad, no you are not bothering me and I apologise if it was not very funny. I was being playful with my tongue firmly in my cheek, it was not meant to be nasty or negative. Will you forgive me ?? ;D
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Post by femmefatale on Oct 20, 2011 10:34:16 GMT -5
I was pulling your leg just a tad, no you are not bothering me and I apologise if it was not very funny. I was being playful with my tongue firmly in my cheek, it was not meant to be nasty or negative. Will you forgive me ?? ;D Of course I forgive You.
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Post by femmefatale on Oct 20, 2011 10:34:57 GMT -5
Tosh. We quote because we believe. What is your reason behind our postings? Be back to what and why you post. I know you will have something else to tell me.. Oh Tosh, you are indeed a relentless fella. So are we. Amen Sista!
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Post by Tosh on Oct 20, 2011 10:41:00 GMT -5
On reflection I may have worded my statement in a more sensitive manner, I would imagine when one has done something one is not particularily proud of, then reading scripture reinforces ones committment to do better and restores ones faith in oneself through God. I understand it is a very peronal issue and I should not have been so cavalier with FF's feelings, I now feel very guilty and will join FF in reading her biblical postings, hopefully it will make me feel better too.
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Post by femmefatale on Oct 20, 2011 10:44:41 GMT -5
On reflection I may have worded my statement in a more sensitive manner, I would imagine when one has done something one is not particularily proud of, then reading scripture reinforces ones committment to do better and restores ones faith in oneself through God. I understand it is a very peronal issue and I should not have been so cavalier with FF's feelings, I now feel very guilty and will join FF in reading her biblical postings, hopefully it will make me feel better too. Quit being sarcastic Tosh.
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Post by Tosh on Oct 20, 2011 10:48:07 GMT -5
On this occasion I am being serious.
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Post by femmefatale on Oct 20, 2011 11:01:37 GMT -5
On this occasion I am being serious. Well, in that case...Thank You.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2011 11:05:08 GMT -5
Morality evolved from our genetic instructions to nurture, cooperate and reciprocate, they are reward systems that give us pleasure because they are essential to our survival. Consciousness adapted and expanded these basic needs into thoughts and feelings of empathy, compassion, altruism and love. A brief glance at chimp behavior studies confirms the evolutionary origins of our emotions and thoughts. Status seeking in a social species is also a genetic instruction, one that maximizes reproductive success, it is a battle between self interest and group interest, the " me " and the " we ". The battle rages inside of us all, our conscience is a consequence of this battle, when we do something in our own interest that hurts group interest then we are punished with guilt, it is just another mechanism in place to protect us from selfish instincts. A member of a social species fears loneliness and isolation more than anything else, it reduces ones chances of survival and reproduction, it is why we all need to love and be loved. So are you suggesting that religion is a survival tactict? A need to be with like minded people?
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Post by femmefatale on Oct 20, 2011 11:07:35 GMT -5
GM, JA.
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