Tosh
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Post by Tosh on Oct 19, 2011 11:46:40 GMT -5
The source of goodness and compassion should be irrelevant, whatever works will do for me, as long as its reasonable. ;D
I will never understand those who claim we need God to be good or compassionate.
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Post by jarhead1976 on Oct 19, 2011 11:50:24 GMT -5
I do not claim that you need God. I claim that I do.
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Tosh
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Post by Tosh on Oct 19, 2011 11:51:22 GMT -5
Hello Jemima eta al, You do not usually talk utter tripe but it just shows you are only human after all. An absolutely good society is not an unstable society, unless you are mentally unstable, think of heaven. Peace. ;D
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Post by Tosh on Oct 19, 2011 11:53:31 GMT -5
You may believe you need God to be good and compassionate but in reality you do not.
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Post by jarhead1976 on Oct 19, 2011 11:57:38 GMT -5
lol , I wouldnt be to sure about that Tosh, Respects
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Post by weltschmerz on Oct 19, 2011 13:46:12 GMT -5
"I will never understand those who claim we need God to be good or compassionate."
"I do not claim that you need God. I claim that I do. "
Really jarhead? You need God to to be good or have compassion? That's so sad.
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Post by weltschmerz on Oct 19, 2011 13:48:38 GMT -5
Help me understand this. Without your belief in God, you'd be out there committing heinous acts? The only thing stopping you is your faith or fear of hell? I'm not trying to be argumentative, but I really have trouble grasping this.
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Post by jarhead1976 on Oct 19, 2011 14:01:11 GMT -5
Ive seen hell weltz, its not for me. I have little trust and faith in Man. My trust in the Lord is forever. Its so easy a cave man could do it.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2011 15:56:58 GMT -5
Ive seen hell weltz, its not for me. I have little trust and faith in Man. My trust in the Lord is forever. Its so easy a cave man could do it. In the biblical Creation account found in the book of Genesis, no mention is made of a place called hell. Everything that God made during the time of Creation was good. However, the Bible tells us in Matthew 25:41 that hell was later prepared for "the devil and his angels" (see also Isaiah 14:12). God did not create hell for man; it was never His intention that any man or woman should go to hell. In 2 Peter 3:9, we learn that God does not want "anyone to perish.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2011 16:08:44 GMT -5
Etymology of the word Hell is quite interesting.
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Post by jarhead1976 on Oct 19, 2011 16:10:25 GMT -5
As in hell on earth?
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Post by weltschmerz on Oct 19, 2011 17:37:43 GMT -5
Allegory of the Long Spoons.
Rabbi Haim of Romshishok was an itinerant preacher. He traveled from town to town delivering religious sermons that stressed the importance of respect for one’s fellow man. He often began his talks with the following story: "I once ascended to the firmaments. I first went to see Hell and the sight was horrifying. Row after row of tables were laden with platters of sumptuous food, yet the people seated around the tables were pale and emaciated, moaning in hunger. As I came closer, I understood their predicament. "Every person held a full spoon, but both arms were splinted with wooden slats so he could not bend either elbow to bring the food to his mouth. It broke my heart to hear the tortured groans of these poor people as they held their food so near but could not consume it. "Next I went to visit Heaven. I was surprised to see the same setting I had witnessed in Hell – row after row of long tables laden with food. But in contrast to Hell, the people here in Heaven were sitting contentedly talking with each other, obviously sated from their sumptuous meal. "As I came closer, I was amazed to discover that here, too, each person had his arms splinted on wooden slats that prevented him from bending his elbows. How, then, did they manage to eat? "As I watched, a man picked up his spoon and dug it into the dish before him. Then he stretched across the table and fed the person across from him! The recipient of this kindness thanked him and returned the favor by leaning across the table to feed his benefactor. I suddenly understood. Heaven and Hell offer the same circumstances and conditions. The critical difference is in the way the people treat each other. I ran back to Hell to share this solution with the poor souls trapped there. I whispered in the ear of one starving man, "You do not have to go hungry. Use your spoon to feed your neighbor, and he will surely return the favor and feed you." "'You expect me to feed the detestable man sitting across the table?' said the man angrily. 'I would rather starve than give him the pleasure of eating!' "I then understood God’s wisdom in choosing who is worthy to go to Heaven and who deserves to go to Hell." [2]
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2011 17:46:59 GMT -5
Ive seen hell weltz, its not for me. I have little trust and faith in Man. My trust in the Lord is forever. Its so easy a cave man could do it. Jarhead I pass no judgment. If it works for you, who am I to deny you your succor, your life raft, you sense of equilibrium. If belief carries you through, then believe. It is none of my business how you get the strength to move forward and live your life in a good and righteous way.
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Post by femmefatale on Oct 19, 2011 17:54:57 GMT -5
Jarhead... Nice to meet You. I believe we are on the same page. Hello Tosh. ;D
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Post by alpha on Oct 19, 2011 17:56:01 GMT -5
Not trying to Split Hairs here, but weren't Cavemen around about 150,000 Years before the Birth of Christ? Or maybe even they had advance notice? blocked due to malware/_eCeLBv5lJdg/SoSIFy77CnI/AAAAAAAABPg/FCJyPV-WVv0/s400/2001_space_odyssey_fg2b.jpg[/img]
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2011 18:33:52 GMT -5
Hey ff, welcome back.
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Post by Shirina on Oct 19, 2011 19:11:55 GMT -5
An interesting concept when applied to religion. It would imply that evil people are doing precisely what they are supposed to do and yet God still punishes them.
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Post by Shirina on Oct 19, 2011 19:15:35 GMT -5
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Post by diamonds on Oct 19, 2011 19:23:52 GMT -5
>>>God did not create hell for man; it was never His intention that any man or woman should go to hell. In 2 Peter 3:9, we learn that God does not want "anyone to perish.<<<
Of course not, that's why he gave us John 3:16, "For God so loved the world, he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him, should NOT perish, but have everlasting life. Matthew10:33 Whosoever denies Me before men, I will also deny him fefore my Father who is in heaven. Good works do not get you into the Kingdom of God. Acknowledging that Jesus Christ is Lord and Saviour is a Christian. We believe in the Trinity. Joey: Hell is mentioned many times in the Bilble. just check your Bible reference in the back. Mark 9:43: Talks about hell and the unquenchable fire. Matthew 25:41 Jesus says "depart from me ye cursed, into the everlasting lake of fire, which has been prepared for the devil and his angels".
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Post by nannatexasrose51 on Oct 19, 2011 19:28:05 GMT -5
For me, yes God exists. I know not everyone does, but we all have a choice..
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Post by nannatexasrose51 on Oct 19, 2011 20:24:45 GMT -5
Awe.. Thanks ;D
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Post by femmefatale on Oct 19, 2011 22:21:46 GMT -5
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Post by jarhead1976 on Oct 20, 2011 6:00:39 GMT -5
Beautiful weltschmerz respects. Enjoyed all your comments and my respect to you all. Alpha all i ask is that you not post any more of my family pictures.
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Post by cranberry49 on Oct 20, 2011 6:39:40 GMT -5
The source of goodness and compassion should be irrelevant, whatever works will do for me, as long as its reasonable. ;D I will never understand those who claim we need God to be good or compassionate. Hello, Tosh, just decided to chime in here and try to explain this as best as I can. I am also a believer in God. You are correct that one does not have to be a believer to be good or compassionate. For even the Bible tells us that 'if an evil man gives good gifts unto his children imagine how much more so God can give to his believers.' Matthew 7:1. However, some people need help in overcoming large obstacles in their lives. What may seem easy to you, and many more people, may be a huge boulder to remove in their lives. Such things as overcoming addiction to drugs, being unfaithful to ones spouse, having a bad temper and causing disruption in ones life, etc. I have seen many, many, people change after finding and accepting God. They realize that this is not pleasing to him (God) and that there was a very good reason why God finds this behavior unaceptable to begin with. It's for our's and our families, friends, etc, happiness and contentment. Not to weigh us down with unnecessary rules. Can non-believers overcome these obstacles without the help of God? Absolutely, if the desire is there to do so. But for many, many, people they truly need the help that only God can give. I realize that this may seem silly to a lot of people. But, Jesus tells us that 'no one comes to him unless he (God) calls him first.' John 6:44. So, one must have a desire and yearn to know him before he will reveal the knowledge to him. Then it will be opened for him and he will understand the Bible and Gods will. Matthew 7:7 As I said earlier, I am a believer in God and I think the Bible is his word. However, I do not consider myself a Christian in the sense that I am living according to the scriptures. I just consider myself a believer. I am so far from living a Christian life and I need lots of molding yet.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2011 7:58:19 GMT -5
For me? Yes. Cranberry..
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Post by femmefatale on Oct 20, 2011 8:03:46 GMT -5
The source of goodness and compassion should be irrelevant, whatever works will do for me, as long as its reasonable. ;D I will never understand those who claim we need God to be good or compassionate. Hello, Tosh, just decided to chime in here and try to explain this as best as I can. I am also a believer in God. You are correct that one does not have to be a believer to be good or compassionate. For even the Bible tells us that 'if an evil man gives good gifts unto his children imagine how much more so God can give to his believers.' Matthew 7:1. However, some people need help in overcoming large obstacles in their lives. What may seem easy to you, and many more people, may be a huge boulder to remove in their lives. Such things as overcoming addiction to drugs, being unfaithful to ones spouse, having a bad temper and causing disruption in ones life, etc. I have seen many, many, people change after finding and accepting God. They realize that this is not pleasing to him (God) and that there was a very good reason why God finds this behavior unaceptable to begin with. It's for our's and our families, friends, etc, happiness and contentment. Not to weigh us down with unnecessary rules. Can non-believers overcome these obstacles without the help of God? Absolutely, if the desire is there to do so. But for many, many, people they truly need the help that only God can give. I realize that this may seem silly to a lot of people. But, Jesus tells us that 'no one comes to him unless he (God) calls him first.' John 6:44. So, one must have a desire and yearn to know him before he will reveal the knowledge to him. Then it will be opened for him and he will understand the Bible and Gods will. Matthew 7:7 As I said earlier, I am a believer in God and I think the Bible is his word. However, I do not consider myself a Christian in the sense that I am living according to the scriptures. I just consider myself a believer. I am so far from living a Christian life and I need lots of molding yet. I am with You here cranberry. I am still being molded as You call it. I fall off the pattywagon a lot and probably always will. I have a little bad girl side to me. But in a good way . I do, however have the consciousness to know when I'm wrong and feel terrible about it afterwards. One of those, damn I shouldn't have said that or I shouldn't have done that. I am a Woman who speaks my Mind a little too often. We all have our weaknesses that we need to work on. We will never be perfect but we can love God and believe. That is how I am. I am a believer but I also know I can't just do what I want all the time and say oh I'm just a wonderful little Christian Girl. It doesn't work that way. I still am highly spiritual, pray often throughout the day and can feel His presence. To each their own once again. I love the Lord. God Bless....
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Post by jemima on Oct 20, 2011 8:09:26 GMT -5
I believe a guilty concious takes a person long way on the road to success. It's actually a wonderful thing to possess.
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Tosh
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Post by Tosh on Oct 20, 2011 8:14:02 GMT -5
Good afternoon Cranberry,
I accept life is hard, I accept goodness is not easy, I accept we all need love to survive and I accept God may be a necessary delusion for some.
But.....and it is a big but, the personal God of comfort, goodness and love actually does not exist, God is a psychological father substitute and a delusion. A father teaches right from wrong, a father comforts and consoles and a father will always love you no matter what. A father who increases self esteem, self worth and a sense of belonging, a father who provides purpose, significance and meaning.
It is ancestor worship, and of course death denial, an immortal father who promises immortality.
Not for me, I can not live a lie because it makes me feel good.
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Post by jemima on Oct 20, 2011 8:16:35 GMT -5
According to Freud. You seem to be a big Freud fan, mate.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2011 8:27:59 GMT -5
I recently had one of those do what I want to moments.. A sensitive conscious/ indeed keeps one on the road.. Praise God Neither can I. Hi Tosh.
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