Does God exist ?

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Nov 3, 2011 17:02:41 GMT -5 gavinsnana said:

Later Femme, Tosh, JA, Steff, Shrina and anyone else I missed.

Have a nice nite

Good bye, enjoy your evening.

[Shirina]

Tosh, do you believe that those who are dying and say they see their mom, that has passed, or even Angels are just seeing things?

Here's my question:

What if your mom isn't a Christian? What if your whole family was of a different faith? That can easily happen to an immigrant. Do they get to Heaven and see no one waiting for them? I mean, that wouldn't be much of a paradise if you were there without a familiar face. Everyone claims to see all of these dead family members when they have a NDE, but no one really comes back and says, "Everyone was there but my mom and Aunt Ethel because they were Wiccans." It always seems like everyone is always present.

[Tosh]

I;m very sorry for your Loss Tosh..

I also lost my dog " Tige ", I don't like to talk about it, he was faithful, faithful to the end, he saved my life when I returned from Nam.

The horror.....the horror.

[gavinsnana]

Nov 3, 2011 17:02:14 GMT -5 steff said:

My relationship with God is between me & God.... it's not out for display, it's not out to beat anyone else over the head with, it's not forced on anyone, and it's not tied to any religion. IMO religion is the problem, not God. I don't believe any ANY organized religion....they are about control, demeaning women, taking away the rights of women, & money money money.... none of which agree with MY beliefs about God & the personal relationship a person has with God.

No, I don't believe in heaven & hell.... when you are dead you're dead and that's it. Heaven & hell are here now.... it's what we go thru in life that makes us stronger people. Some need a religious crutch, others don't.

Religion gives my grandma great peace & it's very important to her. I respect her & her beliefs enough to always be respectful when she is praying before dinner and I don't have religious debates with her. She finds comfort in it and it's HER personal relationship with God that I respect. It works for HER & she doesn't try to force others to believe as she does....she doesn't belittle others by using her religious beliefs.

Thanks for sharing that Steff, I appreciate that.

[jemima]

Nov 3, 2011 17:07:32 GMT -5 @joey said:

Nov 3, 2011 17:06:35 GMT -5 @jemima said:

Maybe humans have a God gene?

Maybe god is a human name for total consciousness?

Google 'gene VMAT2'.

[Tosh]

Maybe god is a human name for total consciousness?

In my opinion consciousness is not one thing as such, it is a crowd of voices, observers if you wish, our consciousness is a collage of all these voices and observations.

Our brain tries to sort these voices into sets of patterns, sometimes it guesses wrong and we have strange personal experiences.

Some suggest our dreams are like a recycle bin of unused and unstored voices and observations, the brain tries to sort them into some meaningful pattern before it stores them in our memory banks.

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Nov 3, 2011 17:21:40 GMT -5 Tosh said:

Maybe god is a human name for total consciousness?

In my opinion consciousness is not one thing as such, it is a crowd of voices, observers if you wish, our consciousness is a collage of all these voices and observations.

Our brain tries to sort these voices into sets of patterns, sometimes it guesses wrong and we have strange personal experiences.


Some suggest our dreams are like a recycle bin of unused and unstored voices and observations, the brain tries to sort them into some meaningful pattern before it stores them in our memory banks.

I've done a fair bit of research into dreams.
There are many types of dreams, some are garbage dreams and some are not.
Dreams are of great interest to me.

[steff]

Nov 3, 2011 17:12:39 GMT -5 Shirina said:

Tosh, do you believe that those who are dying and say they see their mom, that has passed, or even Angels are just seeing things?

Here's my question:

What if your mom isn't a Christian? What if your whole family was of a different faith? That can easily happen to an immigrant. Do they get to Heaven and see no one waiting for them? I mean, that wouldn't be much of a paradise if you were there without a familiar face. Everyone claims to see all of these dead family members when they have a NDE, but no one really comes back and says, "Everyone was there but my mom and Aunt Ethel because they were Wiccans." It always seems like everyone is always present.

I have an even more confusing "after death" type question. My uber religious gramma divorced & remarried. her 2nd hubby was a Southern Baptist Minister (put 1 mark in the why I'm anti-religion column)...his first wife committed suicide after getting a untreatable cancer diagnosis.

My gramma intends to be buried on the OTHER side of him (WTF in my head). So which wife gets him in heaven? Suicide is not a sin in my gramma's beliefs. His first wife was a preachers wife for almost 30 years. Her death is considered tragic by the church she belonged to & that my step grampa preached at. My gramma was married to him for almost 30 years. She was as deeply involved in the church as the first wife was, maybe even more so in some instances since all the children were grown.

So which wife gets him?

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So which wife gets him?


The one with the gun of course.

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Nov 3, 2011 17:03:03 GMT -5 Shirina said:

I actually respect a person who doesn't hide behind the ignore button. I haven't touched it since it was installed.

And regardless of what you believe Shirina, I am not a "clique" kind of girl. If you watch, I ost in various places with various people, depending on the topic and none of it has to do with an attack on you or anyone else.

Okay, Femme. I was mostly talking about what was happening on a different part of the board regarding Snerdley.

In either event, I'm done arguing. I'm just sick of it. It does not appear that there will ever be a true peace treaty, so I'm just going to call a cease fire and leave it at that. This battle isn't worth the fight.

I put someone on ignore once. I didn't announce it, I just did it for a while because the person brought out the bad Joey.

Stop fighting, let it go. I think we all know where everyone stands now.

[Spellbound454]

Im staying single in heaven.. ........might be someone better about than my husbands

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Nov 3, 2011 17:38:05 GMT -5 Spellbound454 said:

Im staying single in heaven.. ........might be someone better about than my husbands

If there are 11 dimensions, does that mean I'd have 11 husbands?

[Forever Sunshine]

Nov 3, 2011 17:38:05 GMT -5 Spellbound454 said:

Im staying single in heaven.. ........might be someone better about than my husbands

Single's definitely the way to go!

[steff]

Nov 3, 2011 17:34:50 GMT -5 @joey said:

So which wife gets him?


The one with the gun of course.

My hubby inherited the guns....lol and the only part of death hubby cares about is that I promise to bury him in Texas not Georgia. I did finally get him agree to let me take him back to Texas as ashes instead of as a body....much easier that way....

[steff]

I'm hoping for reincarnation.... I want to come back as a well loved house cat. Even if I have to be an icky spider first.

[Tosh]

I have had an OBE and here is my explanation:

Our brain observes everything around us some we are conscious of and some are unconscious, unconscious observations are ones not required to create the pattern, whether it be thought or picture.

When we are in extreme danger or pain we think ourselves into flight, our brain creates the surrounding environment and also creates a mirror image of the person.

Therefore when I was watching the doctors looking at me from the ceiling, it was an artificial reality created by my memory, we think it is real but it is only a reconstruction, like a dream but we think it is real.

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Nov 3, 2011 17:45:38 GMT -5 Tosh said:

I have had an OBE and here is my explanation:

Our brain observes everything around us some we are conscious of and some are unconscious, unconscious observations are ones not required to create the pattern, whether it be thought or picture.

When we are in extreme danger or pain we think ourselves into flight, our brain creates the surrounding environment and also creates a mirror image of the person.

Therefore when I was watching the doctors looking at me from the ceiling, it was an artificial reality created by my memory, we think it is real but it is only a reconstruction, like a dream but we think it is real.

hmmm.. what about when dreams are premonitions of exact events that have not occured.

[gavinsnana]

Nov 3, 2011 17:28:59 GMT -5 steff said:

Nov 3, 2011 17:12:39 GMT -5 Shirina said:

Here's my question:

What if your mom isn't a Christian? What if your whole family was of a different faith? That can easily happen to an immigrant. Do they get to Heaven and see no one waiting for them? I mean, that wouldn't be much of a paradise if you were there without a familiar face. Everyone claims to see all of these dead family members when they have a NDE, but no one really comes back and says, "Everyone was there but my mom and Aunt Ethel because they were Wiccans." It always seems like everyone is always present.

I have an even more confusing "after death" type question. My uber religious gramma divorced & remarried. her 2nd hubby was a Southern Baptist Minister (put 1 mark in the why I'm anti-religion column)...his first wife committed suicide after getting a untreatable cancer diagnosis.

My gramma intends to be buried on the OTHER side of him (WTF in my head). So which wife gets him in heaven? Suicide is not a sin in my gramma's beliefs. His first wife was a preachers wife for almost 30 years. Her death is considered tragic by the church she belonged to & that my step grampa preached at. My gramma was married to him for almost 30 years. She was as deeply involved in the church as the first wife was, maybe even more so in some instances since all the children were grown.

So which wife gets him?

According to the Bible, neither. Sorry for your loss as well

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Nov 3, 2011 17:44:33 GMT -5 steff said:

I'm hoping for reincarnation.... I want to come back as a well loved house cat. Even if I have to be an icky spider first.

lol stef, well you know as a cat you can always drop dead mice on humans. They love that.

[gavinsnana]

Steff, I will be buried next to my late hubby as well, even though I have remarried.

My Aunt, who also remarried, will be buried next to her late hubby of 50 years. She just lost her 2nd husband of ten years, but he is buried next to his late wife of over 50 years.

Till death do they part, IMO.. neither "gets" him/her

[gavinsnana]

If there is re-incarnation, which I don't believe so, I would like to be a bird! LOL and fly everywhere

[steff]

Nov 3, 2011 17:50:53 GMT -5 gavinsnana said:

Nov 3, 2011 17:28:59 GMT -5 steff said:

I have an even more confusing "after death" type question. My uber religious gramma divorced & remarried. her 2nd hubby was a Southern Baptist Minister (put 1 mark in the why I'm anti-religion column)...his first wife committed suicide after getting a untreatable cancer diagnosis.

My gramma intends to be buried on the OTHER side of him (WTF in my head). So which wife gets him in heaven? Suicide is not a sin in my gramma's beliefs. His first wife was a preachers wife for almost 30 years. Her death is considered tragic by the church she belonged to & that my step grampa preached at. My gramma was married to him for almost 30 years. She was as deeply involved in the church as the first wife was, maybe even more so in some instances since all the children were grown.

So which wife gets him?

According to the Bible, neither. Sorry for your loss as well

and why would neither of them be with him?

I should have added to my beliefs post, that I don't believe the Bible to be all that and a bowl of cherries. I see it as Aesop's fables for the religious. good stories, have a point & lesson to be taught, but not meant to be taken as law or else.

[steff]

Nov 3, 2011 17:55:03 GMT -5 gavinsnana said:

Steff, I will be buried next to my late hubby as well, even though I have remarried.

My Aunt, who also remarried, will be buried next to her late hubby of 50 years. She just lost her 2nd husband of ten years, but he is buried next to his late wife of over 50 years.

Till death do they part, IMO.. neither "gets" him/her

so the bs about being rejoined with your loved ones in heaven is just bs.....

[Tosh]

hmmm.. what about when dreams are premonitions of exact events that have not occurred.

Here are my thoughts on this, Humans share the same needs and fears, therefore we dream similar concepts, not identical in construct but similar.

I would like you to now view your phenomena in a mathematical light, the probability of 7 billion dreams per day, with fairly common wants and fears. What do you think the probabilities are of some of these dreams guessing right ? It is not zero, coincidences do happen.

No one wants to count the trillions of dreams that do not come true.

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Nov 3, 2011 17:56:10 GMT -5 gavinsnana said:

If there is re-incarnation, which I don't believe so, I would like to be a bird! LOL and fly everywhere

I'd like to come back as a man.
Just to see what its like.
Of course I'd lose some brain power but thats okay. ;D

[Deleted]

Nov 3, 2011 17:58:51 GMT -5 Tosh said:

hmmm.. what about when dreams are premonitions of exact events that have not occurred.

Here are my thoughts on this, Humans share the same needs and fears, therefore we dream similar concepts, not identical in construct but similar.

I would like you to now view your phenomena in a mathematical light, the probability of 7 billion dreams per day, with fairly common wants and fears. Wat do you think the probabilities are of some of these dreams guessing right.

No one wants to count the trillions of dreams that do not come true.

I can't comment without sounding like a crazy person so I'll drop it.
Just know that I don't agree with your thoughts on lucky guess dreams.

[Shirina]

The idea of reincarnation scares me just a little, for even discounting animals and insects, there are so many undesirable circumstances to find oneself in. The odds of being born into abject poverty or under a brutal regime is fairly high. The odds of being born to American citizens is, if I remember right, less than 2%. You have a much higher chance of coming back as one of those starving children you see on charity commercials or an impoverished Chinese peasant farmer.

Or forget about that. What if I come back to abusive parents? What if I come back as a criminal? What if I come back as "mentally challenged" but just smart enough to know it. What if I come back as someone who is homeless?

I suppose in a way these sorts of mental exercises can remind us just how lucky we are, being able to sit in our warm homes, food in our stomachs, and idly typing away to each other as we're doing. So many people in the world would look at our lives and see us as kings and queens.

[Tosh]

I can't comment without sounding like a crazy person so I'll drop it.
Just know that I don't agree with your thoughts on lucky guess dreams.

A dream is a fluid construct, a mental pattern, it is not a thing as such, it can not be a constructed picture of the future, our senses and our brains only record data from the present.

In my opinion.

[Forever Sunshine]

I think most of the time first husbands and wives get buried next to each other because the burial sites were already purchased during the marriage. Why let a good plot under the tree on top of the grassy knoll go to waste.

[Tosh]

Here is my pseudo science theory on dreams coming true, there may be trillions of parallel universes all in 11 dimensions, if the ingredients of the singularities were identical then cause and effect determinism would suggest they would all evolve more or less the same. Humans would exist in all of the trillions of parallel universes.

Sometimes we pick up an identical parallel consciousness that differs only in time, the time difference being the difference of each singularity going bang. A fraction of a second 13.7 billion years ago may evolve into days or weeks in the present.

Wotcha think ?