Does God exist ?

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You're getting warmer.

[gavinsnana]

Nov 3, 2011 17:58:32 GMT -5 steff said:

Nov 3, 2011 17:55:03 GMT -5 gavinsnana said:

Steff, I will be buried next to my late hubby as well, even though I have remarried.

My Aunt, who also remarried, will be buried next to her late hubby of 50 years. She just lost her 2nd husband of ten years, but he is buried next to his late wife of over 50 years.

Till death do they part, IMO.. neither "gets" him/her

so the bs about being rejoined with your loved ones in heaven is just bs.....

No, I think we are rejoined with our loved ones but I don't think we will have a relationship as husband and wife in Heaven.

[gavinsnana]

Nov 3, 2011 18:21:26 GMT -5 Forever Sunshine said:

I think most of the time first husbands and wives get buried next to each other because the burial sites were already purchased during the marriage. Why let a good plot under the tree on top of the grassy knoll go to waste.

Sorta, but for me and those I know, we were married to that person, and lost them during the marriage. Hard to explain, but I was with him and had kids.. and yes, bought the plots.. as husband and wife.

[gavinsnana]

Nov 3, 2011 17:59:19 GMT -5 @joey said:

Nov 3, 2011 17:56:10 GMT -5 gavinsnana said:

If there is re-incarnation, which I don't believe so, I would like to be a bird! LOL and fly everywhere

I'd like to come back as a man.
Just to see what its like.
Of course I'd lose some brain power but thats okay. ;D

LOL.. true!

[gavinsnana]

Steff, your avatar is making me not want turkey this year! LOL.. JK.. its a funny pic ;D

[Tosh]

I think we are rejoined in our next lives, but not always as we are in our present or past lives, that is unless we choose to be. I know that my husband and I were together in our past lives. We died with unresolved issues, issues that have now been resolved.

My eye is beginning to twitch, how did you work this out ?

What does rejoined in our next lives mean ?

Am I joining up again with myself ??

[Tosh]

Rejoined with those we've traveled with before.

What happens if you are killed at 2 weeks old, must be lonely.

[Tosh]

What happens when you die and you have murdered all your loved ones systematically throughout your life ?

Do they really want to meet each other again ?

[Tosh]

Many spirits take human form and then die during birth. They came long enough to accomplish a mission, then returned. What does being lonely have to do with anything?

Where do all these spirits come from, I mean we have 7 billion people now plus the animals plus all the people that have ever existed.

Lot of spirits going about.

Is God making them to order or is there a stock of them hanging on the wall, waiting for someone or thing to be born ?

Does bacteria have spirits, there are trllions and trillions of them ?

[Tosh]

If the spirits were sent out with the big bang then they sat about doing nothing for approx 10 billion years, human spirits for nearly 14 billion years.

Seems a bit odd to me ?


Are you sure this stuff is true ?

[weltschmerz]

Is God making them to order or is there a stock of them hanging on the wall, waiting for someone or thing to be born ?

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Don't be silly.
He gets them on e-bay.

[weltschmerz]

Maybe god is a human name for total consciousness?
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Are you referring to a Jungian collective unconscious?

[moon/Laura]

ok.. i'm only on page 132 - 1 page after where i left it this afternoon, and already i'm seeing post after post between steff.. femme.. JA.. that are nothing but attacks against one another..

All of you - leave your personal battles OUT of it. stick to the topic!

[roygrip]

[chiver78]

Nov 3, 2011 19:40:40 GMT -5 gavinsnana said:

Nov 3, 2011 17:58:32 GMT -5 steff said:

so the bs about being rejoined with your loved ones in heaven is just bs.....

No, I think we are rejoined with our loved ones but I don't think we will have a relationship as husband and wife in Heaven.

I've not posted with you before, and want to make sure my question is received as totally respectful - but why not? fwiw, most reasonably grounded posters here can vouch for my curiosity to all religions with an eye for preventing any specific religion from dictating law.

[Forever Sunshine]

When we enter into the new heaven and new earth, there is no marriage, for Jesus says, “In the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels of God in heaven” (Matt 22:30)

Marriage was instituted by God for the sole purpose of procreation. There will be no need for procreation in Heaven.

[krzydaze]

Nov 3, 2011 21:52:51 GMT -5 @lonewolf said:

Nov 3, 2011 20:20:50 GMT -5 Tosh said:

What happens when you die and you have murdered all your loved ones systematically throughout your life ?

Do they really want to meet each other again ?

Yes, they will want to meet again. Spirits don't hold grudges.
Many come here knowing full well they will die at the hands of others. They do this to fulfill their mission.

[krzydaze]

hey there all,,I hope I get this right,,, Lonewolf I have to disagree with you on this one,,some spirts do hold grudges and they will let you know it,,,not everyone has had the experience of a meeting with a spirit ,,but for those that have and are willing to talk about it without being catorgorized as being crazy would tell ya different

[krzydaze]

lol Lone,,,yes I am,,it didn't work the first time

[krzydaze]

Nov 3, 2011 22:56:18 GMT -5 @lonewolf said:

Nov 3, 2011 22:54:53 GMT -5 krzydaze said:

hey there all,,I hope I get this right,,, Lonewolf I have to disagree with you on this one,,some spirts do hold grudges and they will let you know it,,,not everyone has had the experience of a meeting with a spirit ,,but for those that have and are willing to talk about it without being catorgorized as being crazy would tell ya different

Hi and welcome. When you say meet a spirit, are you talking about one in human form meeting that spirit?

[krzydaze]

yes,,that is what I am talking about,,,,a person alive and here now,,meeting a spirit,,,I can tell you a few experiences I've had and have now where I live,,it's not something to be dismissed,,I would rather be the one that has never experienced it,,but then again it is what it is

[krzydaze]

ok,,I get ya,,again,,I could tell ya some of my experiences,,all I can say is yes some spirits do travel with other spirits,,but there are some loners out there

are you going to call the big men with the white jacket after me now? ;D

[Forever Sunshine]

[Tosh]

Yes. I feel deeply that it is. Do you believe it not to be true and if so why?

Good morning Lonewolf,

Apologies for my sudden disappearance my pc hates me.

You make some quite extraordinary claims without one shred of evidence and ask me why I do not believe your claims to be true ?

You use an expression that baffles me, how can one feel deeply something to be true in light of a complete absence of evidence or reason.

There is no evidence spirits exist, there is no evidence spirits were created in the big bang, there is no evidence that spirits are on a mission, there is no evidence of spirits rejoining their loved ones, there is no evidence of spirits invading animals and there is no evidence of spirits picking and choosing who they wish to be.

In my opinion you have taken one of our earliest and most primitive concepts and adapted it to suit your subjective experiences, it is a story built on sand made of straw.

There has been a whopping big prize for anyone who can demonstrate under scientific conditions the existence of the supernatural, it has lay unclaimed for decades. The greatest psychics, mediums and spiritualists have tried and failed, not one has managed to provide one scrap of proof.

Our post cognizant ancestors interpreted their dreams as being proof of an out of body consciousness that travelled around while they slept. They took this concept of an unseen agent and used it to explain all events, every effect was caused by an unseen agent or spirit. They created a spirit world and modeled it on all the attributes of the natural world, it is a carbon copy written in invisible ink. Because it appeared to be external it was presumed not to need the body, which meant it did not die when the body died and the concept of the immortal soul was born.

Our consciousness constructs images and thoughts, it is not a flawless process, we literally guess and sometimes we guess wrong.

Our 5 senses are extremely unreliable but not as unreliable as our intuition or sixth sense, we are extremely susceptible to hallucination, illusion, delusion and bias.

In my opinion,

[gavinsnana]

Nov 3, 2011 23:12:14 GMT -5 krzydaze said:

yes,,that is what I am talking about,,,,a person alive and here now,,meeting a spirit,,,I can tell you a few experiences I've had and have now where I live,,it's not something to be dismissed,,I would rather be the one that has never experienced it,,but then again it is what it is

Hey Kraze.. I agree. I have had these experiences too.. Funny when others have told me theirs, I thought THEY were crazy.. LOL.. until it happened to me....

But I haven't run across any angry spirits.. Thank God!

[gavinsnana]

Nov 3, 2011 22:10:34 GMT -5 Forever Sunshine said:

When we enter into the new heaven and new earth, there is no marriage, for Jesus says, “In the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels of God in heaven” (Matt 22:30)

Marriage was instituted by God for the sole purpose of procreation. There will be no need for procreation in Heaven.

I knew it was in there, just couldn't remember where, and company dropped by and I had to pop off. Thanks FS

[Tosh]

I would like to explain how my brain works, my beliefs are based on knowledge of what exists and knowledge is obtained by an objective process. We have knowledge that our subjective experiences are flawed, therefore I do not consider them to be an objective source of knowledge.

Seeing a face in a cloud or on the moon is no different to seeing a ghost or a mirage, our mind is programmed to form patterns and it creates illusions. Sub consciously our mind seeks familiar constructs when identifying images, it is why we do not see ghosts of 3 headed dogs on surf boards.

Existence is identified by its physical properties, the universe is a physical process of cause and effect, there is no evidence of non-physical existence.

My worldview is built around what objectively exists and not on what I subjectively imagine may or may not exist.

It is called critical thinking.

[Tosh]

Tosh, where is Steve Jobs?

He is dead, he no longer exists.

Obviously, no matter how many machines we may make, we can endow something with life or give it the spirit of animation. We have the body of Steve Jobs, where did his spirit go? You cannot say "no shred of evidence" when it is evident there is a spirit of animation in all things alive.

Life or animation is a physical, chemical and biological process, it is a reaction, there is no evidence there is a spirit of animation, there is no ghost in the machine. For all living things with the exception of humans, life is a mindless process of survival and reproduction, our awareness has enabled us to create purpose and meaning but there is no evidence or reason to presuppose life or animation was an intended outcome of a physical process.

There is only one species on earth that life has any meaning for, we know how bacteria live and we do not assume there is a why they exist.

[Tosh]

is no evidence of non-physical existence.

Except for the evidence of animated life. Other than that, no evidence. Uh huh.

Afternoon Snicks,

May I suggest you skim through any biology book and read the physical explanations for life or animation, there is no mention of a non-physical presence.

[Tosh]

Scientists create "artificial life" – synthetic DNA that can self-replicate

io9.com/5543843/scientists-create-artificial-life-+-synthetic-dna-that-can-self+replicate


They did not use nor need any non-physical elements to create life or animation.