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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2011 9:58:41 GMT -5
Hey now, you know the rules...no independant thinking allowed, please don't encourage these people to sin. Thank you kind sir.
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Post by femmefatale on Nov 2, 2011 10:00:20 GMT -5
Just peeking in to say hello to JA, Tosh, jar, Snicks, and beer...I don't think I missed anyone. Hagd!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2011 10:02:20 GMT -5
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Post by Tosh on Nov 2, 2011 10:05:10 GMT -5
Proof ?? Please, visions of dead people are proof of hallucinations.
You must be the only person on planet earth who does not accept the genetic instinct to nurture in mammals, even if we have not identified the exact gene, it is a logical deduction based on simple observations. Do you think mammals are taught to feel hungry and horny too ? lolol
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2011 10:06:13 GMT -5
Hello ff, you're looking pretty cool today. Have a good one!
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Post by jemima on Nov 2, 2011 10:07:35 GMT -5
Wiki is a credible source regarding Jesus Christ?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2011 10:07:36 GMT -5
Hi ff! I hope you have a good day as well!!
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Post by femmefatale on Nov 2, 2011 10:09:57 GMT -5
Hello ff, you're looking pretty cool today. Have a good one! Thank you...It must be the sunglasses! Have a good one.
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Post by jarhead1976 on Nov 2, 2011 10:13:30 GMT -5
Beers reference "Fos genes were speculated to play a critical role in trained responses of the nervous system." ..... Please note the words speculated and trained response in your previous post. Nothing based in fact unless you can prove beyound a doubt that this gene found in mice is for nuturing. The fact is they just do not know.
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Post by Tosh on Nov 2, 2011 10:14:56 GMT -5
Since when did any life form have to be taught to reproduce its genes ?
Without nurture there is no reproduction in mammals, it is a fairly convincing argument.
Who did the first mother mammal learn from to pass it on ?
Birds do not have to be taught how to feed their young, and they are not even mammals ?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2011 10:16:24 GMT -5
Beers reference "Fos genes were speculated to play a critical role in trained responses of the nervous system." ..... Please note the words speculated and trained response in your previous post. Nothing based in fact unless you can prove beyound a doubt that this gene found in mice is for nuturing. The fact is they just do not know. Corret. Which is why I think there should be more studies done on the fos-B gene. Then perhaps we will know.
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Post by Tosh on Nov 2, 2011 10:19:46 GMT -5
It is a credible source for locating those who study the historical Jesus and a credible source for explaining the concept of a historical Jesus.
You seem to be misrepresenting the link, maybe you just forgot to open it , mate. ;D
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Post by gavinsnana on Nov 2, 2011 10:27:24 GMT -5
Wiki is a credible source regarding Jesus Christ? The Bible is a better source, IMO..
Morning everyone.. Believers as well as Non-believers.. ;D
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Post by jarhead1976 on Nov 2, 2011 10:29:33 GMT -5
Tosh , were not talking about sex after lunch. How did you know my plans anyway? I thought it was about the Lord your savior and our genetic make up that we posses to nurture! Lets stay with the facts. Nature -vs- Nurture is a quest yet resolved.
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Post by jarhead1976 on Nov 2, 2011 10:33:42 GMT -5
Tosh says "Who did the first mother mammal learn from to pass it on ? Her creator.
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Post by Tosh on Nov 2, 2011 10:39:19 GMT -5
So you are suggesting the survival of all mammals is dependent on copying their parents ?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2011 10:40:42 GMT -5
I believe he said that animals are hard-wired to take care of their young. Even those that cannot read the bible.
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Post by Tosh on Nov 2, 2011 10:49:04 GMT -5
There are 3 things required for mammals to survive and reproduce, sex, food and nurture, you do not doubt sex and food are genetic instincts but question nurture is a genetic instinct.
You claim nurture is not part of nature but nurtured, is this not evidence that the desire to teach ones children is in itself a natural instinct ?
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Post by Tosh on Nov 2, 2011 10:58:05 GMT -5
Yep, a genetic instruction with a chemical reward, pretty difficult to reproduce your genes without it.
Next it will be suggested that mammals must be taught to breast feed or birds must be taught to regurgitate food to their young !!
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Post by Tosh on Nov 2, 2011 11:03:46 GMT -5
A question to all mums and dads, did you learn to care for your kids from your parents or did it come naturally ?
Did someone teach you to love your new born baby ?
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Post by jemima on Nov 2, 2011 11:08:22 GMT -5
A question to all mums and dads, did you learn to care for your kids from your parents or did it come naturally ? Did someone teach you to love your new born baby ? What about parenting classes, mate?
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Post by Tosh on Nov 2, 2011 11:12:07 GMT -5
Any ideas how a chimp mum explains to her young why it is essential to survival and reproductive success to care for their young ?
Why do one mammal species care for the young of another species, who taught them to love thy neighbour as yourself ?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2011 11:13:04 GMT -5
A question to all mums and dads, did you learn to care for your kids from your parents or did it come naturally ? Did someone teach you to love your new born baby ? Oh oh oh..pick me. ;D The kind of love I experienced when looking at my new born baby(s) was something I never expected nor did anyone teach me how to feel. Taking into consideration that I spent the first part of my life awaiting adoption, with no mommy or daddy to love me I'd say that its a given, in most casese unless there is catastrophic failure, brain damage or unforseen circumstances...mothers are hard wired to love their babies. How else could babies survive, they are the most dependant of all creatures.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2011 11:14:11 GMT -5
A question to all mums and dads, did you learn to care for your kids from your parents or did it come naturally ? Did someone teach you to love your new born baby ? What about parenting classes, mate? Oh please...parenting classes teach you how to change a diaper...not how to love someone so much you'd give your life for them in a heartbeat.
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Post by Tosh on Nov 2, 2011 11:15:42 GMT -5
What about them fellow mate ?
I assume you have never attended any, they don't teach you to love your children ?
That tends to come naturally to most.
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Post by Tosh on Nov 2, 2011 11:19:12 GMT -5
Yeah, God went around dishing out nurture lessons to millions of different species of mammals.
You are really killing me with your deductive logic.
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Post by jemima on Nov 2, 2011 11:19:46 GMT -5
Right...and one must learn how to breastfeed too. I thought it all came naturally...with love. Such classes are futile, then, aren't they?
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Post by jarhead1976 on Nov 2, 2011 11:20:22 GMT -5
So you are suggesting the survival of all mammals is dependent on copying their parents ? Yes, with some exceptions. Every species is different! Even a young Lion must learn to hunt. He knows he is hungry but doesn't know how to feed himself . We are entirely dependent on our parents. We are taught to love and nurture.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2011 11:21:03 GMT -5
I figured out both loving and breastfeeding without any help. These classes couldn't possibly have anything to do with making money, right?
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Post by Tosh on Nov 2, 2011 11:27:58 GMT -5
Cognizance is awareness, we became aware of our genetic instincts and it heightened them, we call them emotions or feelings.
One feels hungry before one is aware of being hungry, we feel first and think second.
It is one of the reasons we can not overcome an emotion by simply thinking it away, telling some one to cheer up when they are depressed is not very successful. One has to counter an emotion with another emotion, the best counter against fear, loneliness and sadness is love, hence the popularity of Jesus and God.
They personify the emotion of love and it makes sad people happy, it is an emotional substitute.
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