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Post by jarhead1976 on Nov 2, 2011 11:35:33 GMT -5
Tosh is good at asking question, but better at avoiding them. Faith based or not.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2011 11:35:43 GMT -5
from onelife.com:
All of the human's social drives developed long before he developed intellectually. They are, therefore, instinctive. Such instincts as mother-love, compassion, cooperation, curiosity, inventiveness and competitiveness are ancient and embedded in the human. They were all necessary for the survival of the human and pre-human. Since human social drives are instinctive (not intellectual), they can not be modified through education (presentation of knowledge for future assimilation and use). As with all other higher order animals, however, proper behavior may be obtained through training (edict and explanation followed by enforcement).
The intellect, the magnitude of which separates the human from all other animals, developed slowly over the entire four million years or more of the human development. The intellect is not unique to the human, it is quite well developed in a number of the other higher animals. The intellect developed as a control over instincts to provide adaptable behavior. The human is designed by nature (evolution) to modify any behavior that would normally be instinctive to one that would provide optimum benefit (survivability). This process is called self-control or self-discipline, and is the major difference between the human and the lower order animals, those that apply only instinct to their behavioral decisions. Self-discipline, therefore, is the measuring stick of the human. The more disciplined behavior (behavior determined by intellect) displayed by the individual, the more human he becomes. The less disciplined behavior (behavior in response to instinct) displayed by an individual, the more he becomes like the lower order animals that are lacking in intellect and are driven by their instincts.
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Post by Tosh on Nov 2, 2011 11:38:12 GMT -5
There are two definitions of nurture, learned behavior and caring for ones young, Jarhead reckons we are taught to care for our young, both in the practical and emotional sense.
I am suggesting God did not create love, it is an evolved adaptation of our genetic instinct to nurture in the emotional sense, I am not denying the practical teaching aspect of nurture. As I said even in the practical sense the reason mammals teach their young is because they care, this suggests it is genetic.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2011 11:43:12 GMT -5
It's only a "god-like" fashion because that is the label you've given it.
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Post by Tosh on Nov 2, 2011 11:43:29 GMT -5
Ever seen a mammal teaching another mammal how to breast feed ?
I assume you do not have kids.
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Post by Tosh on Nov 2, 2011 11:49:08 GMT -5
I explained the connection, I am suggesting nurture is a natural instinct, we are instructed by our DNA to care and teach our children to survive.
Our cognizance has expanded and adapted this genetic instinct, we call it love, we feel love we do not think love, it is not an intellectual decision.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2011 11:50:37 GMT -5
It's only a "god-like" fashion because that is the label you've given it. It is the only label you can give to say that random chemicals are directing themselves in a purposeful, planned way. Not necessarily. Survival is the purpose and that drive doesn't come from reading the Bible.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2011 11:51:41 GMT -5
Ever seen a mammal teaching another mammal how to breast feed ? I assume you do not have kids. lol
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Post by Tosh on Nov 2, 2011 11:52:13 GMT -5
I have answered all your questions my friend, you just have problems with accepting knowledge that contradicts your beliefs. Don't shoot the messenger.
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Post by jarhead1976 on Nov 2, 2011 11:54:03 GMT -5
Tosh says " As I said even in the practical sense the reason mammals teach their young is because they care," Walking along the African great rift valley, Tosh is spotted by a mother lion. She has young to feed. She cares not for her young in the sense that She KNOWS what Caring is. All she knows is your her next meal. Teaching her young that man is "Good" to eat. No where in that story will you find anything generic or genetic. Its devine!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2011 11:56:32 GMT -5
Tosh says " As I said even in the practical sense the reason mammals teach their young is because they care," Walking along the African great rift valley, Tosh is spotted by a mother lion. She has young to feed. She cares not for her young in the sense that She KNOWS what Caring is. All she knows is your her next meal. Teaching her young that man is "Good" to eat. No where in that story will you find anything generic or genetic. Its devine! Hunger, its a pretty basic thing isn't it. And we are all born hungry, for something. Its not taught. Hunting skills yes, hunger no.
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Post by Tosh on Nov 2, 2011 11:56:33 GMT -5
Snicks,
Magic is producing things out of fresh air, commonly known as Genesis. ;D
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2011 11:57:39 GMT -5
Snicks, Magic is producing things out of fresh air, commonly known as Genesis. ;D Any lion with half a brain wouldn't eat Tosh. Professional courtesy.
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Post by Tosh on Nov 2, 2011 12:37:23 GMT -5
Snicks,
We are made up of chemical elements, these elements were physically created in the sun, chemicals interact with physics and create biology, biology created cells that reproduce imperfectly, this created mutations, some mutations survived and created other mutations, after 4 billion years of natural selection we are the sum of all these mutations. We have a biological map of evolution, it is called DNA, it clearly shows a record of simple codes to complex codes.
There is no missing in betweens, there are evolutionary explanations for all biological organs, our eyes used to be primitive light sensors. We may not know it all or can not prove it all but we are working toward a comprehensive theory of everything.
Saying God did it answers nothing, how did god do it is a scientific question that the believers in god can not answer.
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Post by Tosh on Nov 2, 2011 12:42:43 GMT -5
Life is a chemical reaction, look at any swamp.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2011 12:45:12 GMT -5
But, I digress. Let's deal with more important things. How do you like me with my Gaga on? You're sorta scary in a sexybitchy way. Science and religion are not mutually exclusive. However, religion has to adapt, and believers can no longer claim their ancient scriptures as literal fact. In earlier times, religious leaders feared the spread of science, because they knew that science would undermine much of what Christianity taught. Even during the nineteenth century, decyphering of the language of the pyramids was delayed because religious leaders feared that the hierglyphics would prove that the Egyptian civilization had continued uninterrupted through the time ascribed to Noah's Flood.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2011 12:48:36 GMT -5
You're sorta scary in a sexybitchy way. Oooh!!! The title of my next song!! woo hoo!
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Post by Tosh on Nov 2, 2011 12:48:40 GMT -5
I agree, however there are few scientists who believe God created the sun, earth and all life out of fresh air. Any scientist who is a creationist and denies evolution is a fraud or mentally ill.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2011 12:49:12 GMT -5
I would rather look at swampmonster below the waist. LOL!
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Post by Tosh on Nov 2, 2011 13:13:19 GMT -5
A lion feels hunger and does not eat its own offspring, why not ?
Who taught the lion it is wrong to eat its own offspring ?
Why should any non-thinking animal care about the survival of its offspring ?
Everything in this story is about genetic reproduction and genetic nurture.
We are instructed to reproduce our genes, nurture is an essential ingredient in this process in mammals.
ITS EVOLUTION......IN ALL ITS GLORY.
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Post by jarhead1976 on Nov 2, 2011 13:22:31 GMT -5
What is learned today changes tomorrow. ''However, if we do discover a complete theory,... ''it should in time be understandable in broad principle by everyone, not just a few scientists. Then we shall all, philosophers, scientists, and just ordinary people, be able to take part in the discussion of the question of why it is that we and the universe exist. If we find the answer to that, it would be the ultimate triumph of human reason - for then we would know the mind of God.'' Form one of the greatest, Stephen Hawking!
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Post by jarhead1976 on Nov 2, 2011 13:26:31 GMT -5
Tosh I will answer all three of your questions if you will answer just one of mine!
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Post by jemima on Nov 2, 2011 13:30:14 GMT -5
Coming from a man who thinks men can breastfeed, I take that lightly.
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Post by Tosh on Nov 2, 2011 13:38:24 GMT -5
Hawking is an atheist with a mischievous sense of humor, he uses the " mind of god " as a metaphor for why the universe may exist.
I personally do not believe the universe in itself has a purpose, it is a human concept that applies only to humans.
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Post by Tosh on Nov 2, 2011 13:42:15 GMT -5
Good for you dear.
Next ?
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Post by Tosh on Nov 2, 2011 13:44:05 GMT -5
I do not loan money.
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Post by jarhead1976 on Nov 2, 2011 13:50:09 GMT -5
As expected , evasion is your MO ..... Synonyms: avoidance, cop-out, dodging, ducking, eluding, elusion, eschewal, eschewing, escape, out, shaking, shunning.
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Post by Tosh on Nov 2, 2011 14:00:39 GMT -5
So you keep saying and yet you have no evidence to support your supposition, I have answered all questions put to me by you.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2011 14:21:20 GMT -5
Hmmmm.. Carry on.
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Post by femmefatale on Nov 2, 2011 14:21:47 GMT -5
Hmmmm.. Carry on. Lmao!!!
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