Depression Support

[femmefatale]

Aug 15, 2012 21:24:11 GMT -5 @devianity said:

Hi Femme. I can, probably not necessary though as the original question seems rather incompetent. 'Addiction' refers to a range of conditions -including physical dependency; exactly how is physical dependency supposed to be a mental illness?…

I was trying to figure that one out too.

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Aug 15, 2012 21:26:29 GMT -5 @femmefatale said:

I was trying to figure that one out too.

Yeh, well, it's a silly question. I think Shooby answered it first time - addiction comprises many components beyond just mental.

And now back to our scheduled programme - 'Depression Support'. I find regular exercise tends to keep me in a good mood.

[femmefatale]

Aug 15, 2012 21:36:42 GMT -5 @devianity said:

Aug 15, 2012 21:26:29 GMT -5 @femmefatale said:

I was trying to figure that one out too.

Yeh, well, it's a silly question. I think Shooby answered it first time - addiction comprises many components beyond just mental.

And now back to our scheduled programme - 'Depression Support'. I find regular exercise tends to keep me in a good mood.

That is so true, Astro. i have started back exercising this week and it has helped tremendously. I still have a long ways to go, but I'm gonna get there. I'm trying to think as positively as I can.

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Aug 15, 2012 21:44:44 GMT -5 @femmefatale said:

That is so true, Astro. i have started back exercising this week and it has helped tremendously. I still have a long ways to go, but I'm gonna get there. I'm trying to think as positively as I can.

Well that's good, Femme. One step at a time and you're sure to get there. After doing regular exercise for a little while you should really start to see the positive impact it has, and hopefully that should encourage you to keep going.

[femmefatale]

Aug 15, 2012 21:49:24 GMT -5 @devianity said:

Aug 15, 2012 21:44:44 GMT -5 @femmefatale said:

That is so true, Astro. i have started back exercising this week and it has helped tremendously. I still have a long ways to go, but I'm gonna get there. I'm trying to think as positively as I can.

Well that's good, Femme. One step at a time and you're sure to get there. After doing regular exercise for a little while you should really start to see the positive impact it has, and hopefully that should encourage you to keep going.

I certainly hope so. Some days, it's just hard to even get up out of bed but then there are days that are ok...ya know? I feel like things always work themselves out.

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Sure, well, good luck with that. Keep your chin up.

[femmefatale]

I always do.

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Not when you're cycling of course. Pay attention to the road then.

[femmefatale]

Aug 15, 2012 22:08:01 GMT -5 @devianity said:

Not when you're cycling of course. Pay attention to the road then.

Smarty pants! ;D

[Reckless Roselia]

Aug 15, 2012 19:37:40 GMT -5 @shooby said:

That is an interesting question. I would say there are mental, emotional, spiritual components and obviously physical consequences as well.

Shooby,

Thank you for your courteous reply to my interesting but incompetent question, I wonder if unnecessary condescension by people are a form of mental illness?

I usually google such 'silly' questions but I rather take an interest in the opinions of others.

Here are some articles that I came across -

www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/12/071203090143.htm

voices.yahoo.com/researchers-find-biological-link-between-mental-illness-689530.html

www.everydayhealth.com/addiction/mental-illness-and-addiction.aspx

I know there is an association btw mental illness and addiction. It is possible that such is the cause for depression or that they are all linked.

I also know when one becomes an addict of something that person also becomes mentally ill. Hence why moderation is stressed upon.

Cheers again.

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There is no 'moderation' for addicts. There is something that is triggered biochemically in the brain that would make someone prone to addiction. Moderation simply isn't possible for those who have that issue.

[Reckless Roselia]

Aug 16, 2012 12:28:55 GMT -5 @shooby said:

There is no 'moderation' for addicts. There is something that is triggered biochemically in the brain that would make someone prone to addiction. Moderation simply isn't possible for those who have that issue.

I used to be an addict of sugar - it was hard getting over it.

How much is allowed in ''moderation'' before it goes into being ''addiction''?

You know after some time and over a long period of time moderation slowly becomes addiction.

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Being a sugar "addict" isn't quite what i am talking about. I am talking about addiction where someone is so compelled to use a mind altering substance to the point that they know they are destroying their lives and killing themselves but yet cannot voluntarily stop the behavior. So, i am not sure how to answer how much is "allowed".

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BTW, there is an Addiction thread here as well if you really want to get into the particulars of that.

[mmhmm]

Aug 16, 2012 12:32:20 GMT -5 Reckless Roselia said:

Aug 16, 2012 12:28:55 GMT -5 @shooby said:

There is no 'moderation' for addicts. There is something that is triggered biochemically in the brain that would make someone prone to addiction. Moderation simply isn't possible for those who have that issue.

I used to be an addict of sugar - it was hard getting over it.

How much is allowed in ''moderation'' before it goes into being ''addiction''?

You know after some time and over a long period of time moderation slowly becomes addiction.

If a person has a problem avoiding a substance/behavior, whether that be alcohol, or food, or gambling, or whatever, what can be defined as moderation differs, in my experience, from one person to another. One person who drinks way too much coffee may have to avoid coffee completely because they can't stop with one cup, while another may be able to cut back slowly and end by having a cup, or two a day. People are individuals.

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I am talking about addiction where someone is so compelled to use a mind altering substance to the point that they know they are destroying their lives and killing themselves but yet cannot voluntarily stop the behavior. So, i am not sure how to answer how much is "allowed".

It's a PHYSICAL addiction - your body becomes accustomed to a substance and in order to get the same euphoric feeling you had with one drink, you now need 3 - or 4. Or you start to drink straight alcohol instead of mixed drinks. The same with drugs - you build up a resistance, and need a more powerful dosage or stronger drug to get the same high you once got with a quick hit of a joint, or a cocktail.

I guess I understand how this is more a physical than psychological illness after watching a very close loved one become addicted (alcohol), go through rehab & psycological counselling (more than one time) and never fully recover. Even after 5 years of being clean something set off the switch that caused him to relapse - and take that drink again - and in the end it ended up killing him - a slow and miserable way to die. And it was because his physical body had become so accustomed to the substance that the physical craving and need overpowered the will not to drink. I think this same thing applies to people dependent on drugs.

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I think it is one of the worst illnesses of our times. It is very difficult to treat and get someone into help. Because in their active addiction, they simply cannot will themselves to stop. A few probably can but not many. Personally, i think that if one goes into treatment, that they should be COMPELLED to stay the full course of the treatment even if they have to be locked down for that time period. Allowing addicts to simply walk out of treatment a week later makes no sense. Yes, people have rights, but there are times we presume to help those who can't help themselves. We don't leave someone laying alongside the road who just got run over and tell them if they really want help they have to help themselves and crawl to the hospital. Now that there is a big body of science of addiction, it is obvious that in many instances this is indeed a terminal disease and i think we are being inhumane by NOT compelling treatment.

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I didn't go into full detail on their stay(s) in rehab - that's not the point - even though they were in a facility that required them to be there 24/7 and under constant observation and counselling and doctors' care. My point was that addiction is a physical disease due to the body becoming dependent on the substance(s) of choice - the phsychological reasons behind the addiction are secondary to the physical addiction - which has to be treated first, before the reasons leading to the addiction can be dealt with.

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Excellent point SL.

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Is everyone too depressed to post lately or too happy! Where are you guys!

[femmefatale]

Well, the subject kinda veered off into drug dependency, which has nothing to do with depression. Peeps probably didn't know where to go from there. Just sayin.

[femmefatale]

ahem * page rollover...again!

[ՏՇԾԵԵʅՏɧ_LԹՏՏʅҼ]

Well, the subject kinda veered off into drug dependency, which has nothing to do with depression. Peeps probably didn't know where to go from there. Just sayin

Drug AND alcohol dependency can greatly contribute to depression - just as much depression can lead to drug and/or alcohold dependence.

As I mentioned before (maybe on this thread, maybe another), I have first-hand experience dealing with someone who went through both - and spoke to the professionals regarding that person's troubles - there is a VERY strong connection between the two --- so it's on topic, as far as discussing depression.

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So, what is new on that front for everyone? Any new insights?

[femmefatale]

Aug 23, 2012 20:07:00 GMT -5 ՏՇԾԵԵʅՏɧ_LԹՏՏʅҼ said:

Well, the subject kinda veered off into drug dependency, which has nothing to do with depression. Peeps probably didn't know where to go from there. Just sayin

Drug AND alcohol dependency can greatly contribute to depression - just as much depression can lead to drug and/or alcohold dependence.

As I mentioned before (maybe on this thread, maybe another), I have first-hand experience dealing with someone who went through both - and spoke to the professionals regarding that person's troubles - there is a VERY strong connection between the two --- so it's on topic, as far as discussing depression.

I have about 2nd or 3rd hand experience, dealing with drug dependency, and then some, Lassie. I'm just saying, this thread is for depression and veering off into drugs and dependency could have turned a few off from here...just saying. You aren't the only one who has dealt with this issue. I can relate, all too well.

Yes ma'am , dear...Whatever you say. ;D

[femmefatale]

Back on the subject of depression...Mine is doing much better. The exercise and diet makes a world of difference. I have been getting out more too, which really seems to help a lot. As Sugi said, getting my ass out the door, really helped. Thanks Sugi.

[ՏՇԾԵԵʅՏɧ_LԹՏՏʅҼ]

Yes ma'am , dear...Whatever you say.

Well, you're the one who said drug addiction has nothing to do with depression - (post 1620) -

Well, the subject kinda veered off into drug dependency, which has nothing to do with depression. Peeps probably didn't know where to go from there. Just sayin.

I was just pointing out how wrong that statement is - since they ARE connected - more often than not.

[femmefatale]

Aug 23, 2012 20:19:11 GMT -5 ՏՇԾԵԵʅՏɧ_LԹՏՏʅҼ said:

Yes ma'am , dear...Whatever you say.

Well, you're the one who said drug addiction has nothing to do with depression - (post 1620) -

Well, the subject kinda veered off into drug dependency, which has nothing to do with depression. Peeps probably didn't know where to go from there. Just sayin.

I was just pointing out how wrong that statement is - since they ARE connected - more often than not.

Lass, with all due respect...there is a drug and dependency board here, right? I felt this was a very supportive thread for people who were suffering from serious depression...Not drug induced issues.

[femmefatale]

Maybe people with drug dependency, need to go to Intervention...ya think?

Depression is a whole different issue, all it's own. Of course you would argue with me.

[ՏՇԾԵԵʅՏɧ_LԹՏՏʅҼ]

Aug 23, 2012 20:22:01 GMT -5 @femmefatale said:

Maybe people with drug dependency, need to go to Intervention...ya think?

Depression is a whole different issue, all it's own. Of course you would argue with me.

Lass, with all due respect...there is a drug and dependency board here, right? I felt this was a very supportive thread for people who were suffering from serious depression...Not drug induced issues.

That just shows you haven't read (or don't care to remember) anything I said on the subject in previous posts - regarding Depression, drug or alcohol addiction, the connections - and also different methods of treatment. Having dealt with a loved one's battle (and ultimate death due to both) I mentioned what treatments/hospital stays/interventions were done - all to deal with their depression - as well as addiction to substance of choice. I'm not going to get into specifics regarding their struggle because it's private, and NOYB, but the treatments dealt with BOTH issues so don't assume they're separate subjects and can't be talked about on this thread.

BTW, I've had to deal with my OWN depression due to what happened above and since their death, and if talking about it here helps me, and my trying to help someone else understand the relationship between the two so they'll be more aware, then who are you to say I should post somewhere else?