All This Bouncing Is Wearing Out The Cat

[decoy409]

Ahh yes the great return. Say,how about some QE3,that always produces a nice return with the Fed running the market and strapping the damage on the TAXPAYER.

My one hope is that their is no QE3 as handcuffs and cells are needed,

Aug. 24,2011 - New York AG Kicked Off Foreclosure Settlement Panel For "Undermining," Rolling Stone Reporter Screams "Dirty Banker Deal!"

excerpt - UPDATE: Since learning of this new development, Rolling Stone reporter Matt Taibii has become inflamed by the arrangement, calling it, "Obama goes all out for a dirty banker deal." He's exaggerating referring to the Obama's administration's influence in trying to get Schneiderman to side with everyone else who's in favor of a settlement. Here it is:

[The Obama administration, all the banks, and, now, apparently, all the other state attorneys general] cooked up a deal that would allow the banks to walk away with just a seriously discounted fine from a generation of fraud that led to millions of people losing their homes.

The idea behind this federally-guided “settlement” is to concentrate and centralize all the legal exposure accrued by this generation of grotesque banker corruption in one place, put one single price tag on it that everyone can live with, and then stuff the details into a titanium canister before shooting it into deep space.

This deal is all about protecting the banks from future enforcement actions on both the civil and criminal sides. The plan is to provide year-after-year, repeat-offending banks like Bank of America with some stability and certainty, so that they know exactly how much they’ll have to pay in fines (trust me, it will end up being a tiny fraction of what they made off the fraudulent practices) and will also get to know for sure that there are no more criminal investigations in the pipeline...

The banks are going to claim that all they’re guilty of is bad paperwork. But while the banks are indeed being investigated for mass tax evasion (by failing to pay fees associated with mortgage registrations deed transfers) and mass perjury (a la the “robo-signing” practices), their real crime, the one Schneiderman is interested in, is even more serious.

www.businessinsider.com/eric-schniederman-kicked-off-2011-8

print ben print and give the dirt what it needs for some more weeds to suffocate out what is left.

[usaone]

Aug 24, 2011 16:02:19 GMT -5 bimetalaupt said:

Aug 24, 2011 12:28:04 GMT -5 usaone said:

Time for a change is right.

Historical drop in Gold and Silver.

USA WON,

That is why you build a investment system with none- correlated assets.. Reduce risk of the total value of the system.. IE reduced Total Beta with higher return from the effect of using greater risk assets.. Better Sharpe index...
My system shows 8.48406 for bond/stock with cash added to bonds
or 8.73329751373% for blue chip stocks alone..

Just a thought,
Bi Metal Au Pt for me

The new systems includes things like art, gold and wine with the old Bond/Stocks for better total return.. See chart , Please

Looks like your call of Gold at $1880 was correct Bruce.

Little bit of an overshoot because of fear.

Never put all your eggs in one basket.

[bimetalaupt]

Aug 24, 2011 17:14:04 GMT -5 usaone said:

Aug 24, 2011 16:02:19 GMT -5 bimetalaupt said:

USA WON,

That is why you build a investment system with none- correlated assets.. Reduce risk of the total value of the system.. IE reduced Total Beta with higher return from the effect of using greater risk assets.. Better Sharpe index...
My system shows 8.48406 for bond/stock with cash added to bonds
or 8.73329751373% for blue chip stocks alone..

Just a thought,
Bi Metal Au Pt for me

The new systems includes things like art, gold and wine with the old Bond/Stocks for better total return.. See chart , Please

Looks like your call of Gold at $1880 was correct Bruce.

Little bit of an overshoot because of fear.

Never put all your eggs in one basket.

USA WON, K4U!!!
Now let see.. Current numbers upside resistance levels is down a bit to 1862.09693694739416969242 with a certainty of 93.558255645889489%
then the support is only 1646.95010962593 and certainty 97.119183487626472%
and Standard Deviation of 345.934953744519 (21.445881198321239%).
Also if you take gold stocks ( like GG or GFI) and discount them to gold price;they discount gold to about $1,200. ( my model's numbers)

The Alpha (momentum) players jumped out in a rush for the door. With the huge Standard Deviation this could be a wild ride.. I have no intention of selling any gold coins,etc.
Have you check out the QQQ!! They hold the trend!!!

Just a thought,
Bi Metal Au Pt
$4U.. I see how you keep the blonds happy!!

but for me.. 95% CoCo.. Better then EU Bonds CoCo the banks own!!!

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Three days up. Do we get the big sell-off Friday or Monday? Say... isn't that the theme on another thread? Must be a POPULAR consideration. I keep finding more gold at garage sales. It's amazing what some folks will sell for a buck. Anyway... the sack gets heavier as the price gets healthier. No stock is worth itr's price today. Not even close.

[decoy409]

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[smackdown]

Fear not. Fewer and fewer people: TRUST what brokers tell them what to do with their money, TRUST market data, TRUST analysts and economists, TRUST that the nation is going in the right direction for recovery. Anyone thinking (and they do hypnotize themselves about what they know...) that stock trades made today have future potential is-- pickled.

[usaone]

Looks like day four of an up market. Even with Apple.

[decoy409]

V_L, looks like some are happy with a FED fuel injecteed market. Too bad that they care not about anything but theirself.
But that is the grand divide as they say.

[decoy409]

Riding the yo-yo knotted up string but don't worry,ben will make it all ok.

[decoy409]

V_L, just one other thing in respects to this mornings dive,

[decoy409]

Quick ben,grab the air pump! What!!! tim has it next door deflating what???

[decoy409]

The flat ball turned yo-yo with a broken string is not looking to well.our europeon half is having some monster difficulties in that german request.

[decoy409]

yes virginia,there is a santa claus,and today has the gift of a current -198 (full cap). Oh well,easy come easy go as they say. Perhaps santa wil stop in tomarrow with some more gifts for all.

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"Looks like day four..."
"Three days up. Do we get the big sell-off Friday or Monday?"

The appetizer course was Thursday. As one might expect when paying for the meal, the entree and dessert rationally follow.

The Perfect Storm will do great harm. The Congressional approval rating is the lowest in history. Even creeps like Boehner are shocked at his 26% ok rating (that's a 74% Get The Hell Out Of DC rating). The nation KNOWS they are incapable of running the government and need to go. That translates to: let no incumbant get re-elected. The "Tea Party" is on the outs with America. 100 CEO's have signed a pledge not to donate to political campaigns but failed to indicate if that included corporate PACs. There is a movement in play to eliminate (as in BAN) lobbies and lobbyists, even if it means sequestering Congress with a mandate to get the nation back in order or QUIT politics. A case is building to take pay, pensions and benefits away from Congressional members who impede progress (that's like getting fired even if you rigged the votes to get yourself- or your puppet- elected).

Why post so much poltics in a Market Talk forum? Because there is no longer any difference between Business and Government, but there will be. By this time next year... those big businesses that have not recovered their terminated personnel and paid cash to on-board and revitalize workforces, won't exist here. The interesting part of this occurs TODAY. I predict that Ben Bernanke will not announce QE3. He won't announce anything remotely construed as some sort of "lift" (like promising to hold interest rates down when lifting rates recovers servicing and impedes inflation). I believe Ben won't be allowed to offer any bait & switch words at all. Halloween is some 65 days from now. By the time it arrives, what's really scary will already be bagging the economy through the markets.

Pull your ill-gotten gains out of the markets and BUY BACK STABILITY through hiring. I predict it's the one venue with a future return you can be assured of.

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Aug 26, 2011 6:02:14 GMT -5 @smackdown said:

"Looks like day four..."
"Three days up. Do we get the big sell-off Friday or Monday?"

The appetizer course was Thursday. As one might expect when paying for the meal, the entree and dessert rationally follow.

The Perfect Storm will do great harm. The Congressional approval rating is the lowest in history. Even creeps like Boehner are shocked at his 26% ok rating (that's a 74% Get The Hell Out Of DC rating). The nation KNOWS they are incapable of running the government and need to go. That translates to: let no incumbant get re-elected. The "Tea Party" is on the outs with America. 100 CEO's have signed a pledge not to donate to political campaigns but failed to indicate if that included corporate PACs. There is a movement in play to eliminate (as in BAN) lobbies and lobbyists, even if it means sequestering Congress with a mandate to get the nation back in order or QUIT politics. A case is building to take pay, pensions and benefits away from Congressional members who impede progress (that's like getting fired even if you rigged the votes to get yourself- or your puppet- elected).

Why post so much poltics in a Market Talk forum? Because there is no longer any difference between Business and Government, but there will be. By this time next year... those big businesses that have not recovered their terminated personnel and paid cash to on-board and revitalize workforces, won't exist here. The interesting part of this occurs TODAY. I predict that Ben Bernanke will not announce QE3. He won't announce anything remotely construed as some sort of "lift" (like promising to hold interest rates down when lifting rates recovers servicing and impedes inflation). I believe Ben won't be allowed to offer any bait & switch words at all. Halloween is some 65 days from now. By the time it arrives, what's really scary will already be bagging the economy through the markets.

Pull your ill-gotten gains out of the markets and BUY BACK STABILITY through hiring. I predict it's the one venue with a future return you can be assured of.

I'm guessing by your post here (#137) you're not too happy with the change that has come with this Obama economy. As far as the old liberal rant of vote the incumbents out, but only when republicans are holding a majority gets less effective each time its used. It's far easier to adapt to existing conditions than trying to convince everyone else to do it your way. So take that dead cat (with the fur rubbed off from bouncing) and put it in the trash bag out back. Then put springs on your shoes and learn to move with the markets. Too much stability means no money to be made. The only one holding you back is you. And you're right, this thread should be in politics and markets.

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No idea where your thinking comes from (because it isn't productive, it's destructive). If we didn't have paid political GOP puppets in Congress, we might have two really significant things well-along in progress... a non-forced-planned-addiction and reliance on oil... and less repaving of sprawling roads with more intelligent redesign of our infrastructure for a future that is not based on single-occupant cross-road travel. When America was supposed to zig after the 2008 elections, it lagged and stalled because the stalwarts of the grossly abusive 20th Century-- wouldn't let go. Argue? Why? the ENTIRE world has collapsed from the artificial non-intelligence that holds us in stagnation. Use your brain... to continue having market trades as the SOLE business that has motion is clearly terrorism. It's-- the dead cat. I'd like to see super-computer trading GONE. I'd like to see Board Directors and Executives who are not the Founder-- to PAY for the assets they usurped power over. I'd like a "Prove It" button that let's regular Americans push for data reconciliation at Point-of-Presentation... not 2 months after-the-fact in a revision.

Ben has to explain why the GDP is not only in the drain but far less than previously advertised. In short... calculated people presented FALSE data that drove finances and economics by steerage. Tell us how that is any different than a car bomb? I don't want to move with these FAKE markets, I want an accounting for FALSE data and reconciliation of the entire Financial Sector. Only an idiot invests in junk because everyone else is doing it, but previously, it was labeled as JUNK and people got screwed investing in it. Popularity and hypnosis like a "Social Network" concept create losers. I prefer to keep on the sidelines until I can see PROOF that numbers given are economically driven FOR REAL.

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way too many "smart" people on this board

thinking in terms of "macro" instead of thinking about specifics

Is Mcdonalds still selling coffee and big macs? MCD
Seen any sign that people will switch from toilet paper to ? PG
Is coke still selling bazillions of cans of the liquid crack? KO
Are I-Pads the hottest toys still on the market? AAPL

You need more...i got 'em

There will be, has been, and will ALWAYS be problems with certain sectors of the economy

But there are always companies that come through the tough times, leaner, stronger, and better for the transition in the end

Rant over

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Aug 26, 2011 9:26:31 GMT -5 @smackdown said:

No idea where your thinking comes from (because it isn't productive, it's destructive). If we didn't have paid political GOP puppets in Congress, we might have two really significant things well-along in progress... a non-forced-planned-addiction and reliance on oil... and less repaving of sprawling roads with more intelligent redesign of our infrastructure for a future that is not based on single-occupant cross-road travel. When America was supposed to zig after the 2008 elections, it lagged and stalled because the stalwarts of the grossly abusive 20th Century-- wouldn't let go. Argue? Why? the ENTIRE world has collapsed from the artificial non-intelligence that holds us in stagnation. Use your brain... to continue having market trades as the SOLE business that has motion is clearly terrorism. It's-- the dead cat. I'd like to see super-computer trading GONE. I'd like to see Board Directors and Executives who are not the Founder-- to PAY for the assets they usurped power over. I'd like a "Prove It" button that let's regular Americans push for data reconciliation at Point-of-Presentation... not 2 months after-the-fact in a revision.

Ben has to explain why the GDP is not only in the drain but far less than previously advertised. In short... calculated people presented FALSE data that drove finances and economics by steerage. Tell us how that is any different than a car bomb? I don't want to move with these FAKE markets, I want an accounting for FALSE data and reconciliation of the entire Financial Sector. Only an idiot invests in junk because everyone else is doing it, but previously, it was labeled as JUNK and people got screwed investing in it. Popularity and hypnosis like a "Social Network" concept create losers. I prefer to keep on the sidelines until I can see PROOF that numbers given are economically driven FOR REAL.

Fudging the numbers to make things look better to improve consumer sentiment in a slowed economy that is 70% driven by that consumer has been around for quite awhile now. Awareness of this fact puts you and me into the minority. As this gets used more and more, it also becomes less effective. Just look at the unemployment number, if it gets too high, just change the reporting requirement. If you haven't looked for work for four weeks you're not un-employed anymore? You don't need a super computer to trade stocks or commodities. Just watch for the events that drive the investment dollars to different areas and try to get there first, or nearly first. This happens over and over again. The old, slow markets of the past are gone forever. Along with their outdated strategies. You can ride a horse from New York to California, but it's far cheaper to fly first class while sipping champaign.

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Aug 26, 2011 9:51:44 GMT -5 @gdgyva said:

way too many "smart" people on this board

thinking in terms of "macro" instead of thinking about specifics

Is Mcdonalds still selling coffee and big macs? MCD
Seen any sign that people will switch from toilet paper to ? PG
Is coke still selling bazillions of cans of the liquid crack? KO
Are I-Pads the hottest toys still on the market? AAPL

You need more...i got 'em

There will be, has been, and will ALWAYS be problems with certain sectors of the economy

But there are always companies that come through the tough times, leaner, stronger, and better for the transition in the end

Rant over

It's not only companies that come through the tough times stronger and better. We do too.

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"In addition to refining our forward guidance, the Federal Reserve has a range of tools that could be used to provide additional monetary stimulus. We discussed the relative merits and costs of such tools at our August meeting. We will continue to consider those and other pertinent issues, including of course economic and financial developments, at our meeting in September, which has been scheduled for two days (the 20th and the 21st) instead of one to allow a fuller discussion," Bernanke said, adding, "The Committee will continue to assess the economic outlook in light of incoming information and is prepared to employ its tools as appropriate to promote a stronger economic recovery in a context of price stability."

This says to anyone with half-a-brain that the Fed recognizes that it's prior "easing" was the WRONG move to "stimulate" what really needs stimulation. It did however give fully detached people the ability to buy stocks in things people are bound to use and call it a-- good thing. They fail to grasp that keeping these things flush with cash are actually depressing the potential growth markets and suppressing potential job creation which would keep us clear of the OBVIOUS forthcoming no-other-choice of TAXING market players and trades to create revenue replacements for lost jobs and incomes. Sorry but I too would invest in the obvious if this was a simple recession. There are too many living off the markets and not enough creating stability so we can have markets. You're strangling the messenger (and killing the economy) here. Wake up.
If you are "retired" and making more money now than when you worked, how can you expect others to make enough to keep your game going? It isn't rocket science... you earned what you earned during your working years, your "boom" generation is too large to do what it is doing. Either pull it out and start reviving where you live or move on so others can do it. What you cannot do is-- continue to believe some pickled Status Quo will last until you pass. We can't wait that long. Worse yet... to be earning commissions moving the monies around that belong to the aged who can't do it themselves. It's a piss-ant profession destroying the nation.

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Aug 26, 2011 11:43:36 GMT -5 @smackdown said:

"In addition to refining our forward guidance, the Federal Reserve has a range of tools that could be used to provide additional monetary stimulus. We discussed the relative merits and costs of such tools at our August meeting. We will continue to consider those and other pertinent issues, including of course economic and financial developments, at our meeting in September, which has been scheduled for two days (the 20th and the 21st) instead of one to allow a fuller discussion," Bernanke said, adding, "The Committee will continue to assess the economic outlook in light of incoming information and is prepared to employ its tools as appropriate to promote a stronger economic recovery in a context of price stability."

This says to anyone with half-a-brain that the Fed recognizes that it's prior "easing" was the WRONG move to "stimulate" what really needs stimulation. It did however give fully detached people the ability to buy stocks in things people are bound to use and call it a-- good thing. They fail to grasp that keeping these things flush with cash are actually depressing the potential growth markets and suppressing potential job creation which would keep us clear of the OBVIOUS forthcoming no-other-choice of TAXING market players and trades to create revenue replacements for lost jobs and incomes. Sorry but I too would invest in the obvious if this was a simple recession. There are too many living off the markets and not enough creating stability so we can have markets. You're strangling the messenger (and killing the economy) here. Wake up.
If you are "retired" and making more money now than when you worked, how can you expect others to make enough to keep your game going? It isn't rocket science... you earned what you earned during your working years, your "boom" generation is too large to do what it is doing. Either pull it out and start reviving where you live or move on so others can do it. What you cannot do is-- continue to believe some pickled Status Quo will last until you pass. We can't wait that long. Worse yet... to be earning commissions moving the monies around that belong to the aged who can't do it themselves. It's a piss-ant profession destroying the nation.

Since I didn't want to lose a large % value of my principle. I went to where my dollar number would increase as was intended by Bernanke and the current administration. Now that QE 2 is over, I'm mostly out again. Like you said it's not rocket science. My pulling out last June at the ending of QE 2 was the right thing to do. If you think I'm going to let my assets be devalued into crap, guess again. I've watched what happened to the Soviet Union and their socialist dream where everyones assets were used for the "common good". No thank you, I'm not responsible for the less capable. You may be mad as hell about whats going on, I'm just adapting and doing well for me and my family.

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A common assumption. You put your money into an over-rigged market and mimicked larger players to ensure your results would be similar to theirs and they would have Bernanke keeping them from failing. Having been in both private and institutional lending at the executive level, I can tell you that following as a survival and protection action is mighty common in banks. Much of what we have seen for going on 3 years now follows that process. It should occur to you that throughout the "protect ourselves at every cost" time for big traders and you- shadows... the entire economy and integral vitality of not just America but nearly every country-- has totally fallen away. What that means is-- on a go-forward basis, ANYTHING you do with your capital gets a revenue hit. Has to, because there are no more revenue streams and no more QE. That makes YOU a target from a great deal of angles. Bigger groups will need your gains to fuel their machines and keep clients from fleeing to safe harbors. Smaller groups will need your gains to fuel the fiber of their existence (small means all-in everytime). Government will take it (every GOP tax-cut baloney rant will be suppressed now because even the Party of NO needs a paycheck). You did NOTHING with your money except to expose it.
That said... where is a good place to put it? Markets? Bonds? Blonds? Bombs? None of the above. When I speak of "jobs" think two ways. First, there is a dire need to "recover" jobs for everyone over 50 who did work and still can. Why? Because the sheer cost to provide for an entire derailed faction in the nation is an entitlement of enormous proportion and consequence. It paid in-- it can demand take-out. Give them their jobs back and take that cost from the wealth of big business and we-- regain revenues that thwart tax hikes AND incur nothing publickly (no new tax). The second and very critical aspect of job CREATION is- that a smaller wealth class with a larger jobs pool funded below it restores innovation, enterprise and ingenuity, all aspects that can be invested in.
Today's reliable commodities are not publickly traded nor hard to come by-- yet. Consider that we've given the Chinese the guts of our manufacturing and self-sustaining industries. We absolutely will require reviving them just by looking soberly at the global financial collapse straight ahead. It would take FOURTEEN years to rebuild the textile industry, generate our own bolt fabric and make our own clothes. Even with the massive surplus of cheap clothing imported globe-wide, we might have TEN years worth of supply. You can stretch the life of a quality pair of jeans but stretched underwear and holey socks can derail an army. That's a small example of how precarious our current situation is.
You should be snapp[ing out of your Kool-Aid addiction and looking around your neighborhood at-- tomorrow and where your cash should and could be deployed to make sure there IS a tomorrow. I'm not stupid. I have a significant amount of assets myself. I could have easily followed the same lead you did but... I'm not stupid. In fact... I've never just looked at today without looking ahead to tomorrow. The longer these hold-the-markets-up games are allowed to contionue, the deeper we go, as are our chances of ever digging out. Be not so bold as to THINK your generation deserves anything. It was never responsible, it isn't now and it needs to be.

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So... if I'm reading correctly, two major gold purchases made around the 1800 range were sold this week at 1900. The likely all-certificate activity had an original effect during one of the major decline days and with the sale made yesterday, was a major reason for a positive week this past week. In short, the biggest players have the markets fully rigged and totally control the outcome. Eliminating THEM is the only road to recovery now.

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A reminder that the controllers went all-in making last week up to end the down streak. Should pretty well give away what this week will be like. Old folks die daily, so the pool of fool monies manipulated by "big" is getting smaller.

Dow-- under 9,000 by 10/31.

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"Say,how about some QE3,that always produces a nice return with the Fed running the market and strapping the damage on the TAXPAYER."

I think the next "QE" should be Corporate America pumping cash back INTO the economy through Job RECOVERY and the first big oligarchy to reach insolvency be declared the winner. I think QE4 should be funded entirely by Analysts and Economists who were the architects of our collapse. QE5 is reserved for every executive and board director who didn't Found the business but usurped the Founder's authorities to make themselves wealthy. QE6 is absolutely necessary to drain Lawyers, Politicians and Financial Sector Pariah of all ill-gotten gains (earnings) made since 1999. You were given the authority to recognize inequality and Corruption and chose to make profit at it. You write a check for the Gross even if you spent it. You work at a Minimum Wage for any shortfall.

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What? Whoa... the market intends to open DOWN? It IS a Tuesday. We do that on Tuesdays now. Check your trends...

money.msn.com/market-news/post.aspx?post=f3246a97-ecc2-4de2-a85a-8dd102f92bd7

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www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44338047/ns/business-us_business/#.Tl42E6i4LAE

[jarhead1976]

The sad part is its legal. The tax loop holes, big lobby money knows that one hand washes the other. Congressional income up 18%

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The Dow: from 16 (heading down) to 90 in about 2 minutes. Impossible to do without a super computer or two or three. I'd call that TERRORISM and I'll bet I could get... 98% of America to agree. Either our government reacts-- or get replaced.

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So... if you gathered what occurred yesterday was-- make the Dow finish August in the Black regardless of the prevailing economics.

Today and tomorrow, the big players suck it back out.