decoy409
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Post by decoy409 on Aug 9, 2011 13:08:54 GMT -5
"i don't begrudge stock traders, so long as our gov't does not use my tax dollars the support the game that they are playing." $16 TRILLION says that just that is going on.
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usaone
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Post by usaone on Aug 9, 2011 13:59:40 GMT -5
No QE3!!
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Post by lifewasgood on Aug 9, 2011 14:02:41 GMT -5
Says Who? 16 trillion out the back door before, what makes you think a silent QE isn't already underway?
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Post by smackdown on Aug 9, 2011 14:06:43 GMT -5
The sudden reversal makes one think that it was all fronted higher in illusion. Goldman Sachs is taking a pretty good hit today. Is there relationship we need to illuminate?
Better to let Wall Street burn itself out now, then to try another round of fiat QE. Dow under 9,000 by month-end.
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Post by lifewasgood on Aug 9, 2011 14:36:20 GMT -5
It is fascinating to watch the markets go up and down in a wild unstable manner. The forces of buy and sell make one wonder?
I say the market is being held up by none other than the PPT. I am just as confident that the FED will work magic in the background to keep it from a full fledge plunge to hell. Which is where it would go if the nipple is pulled out for good.
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Post by lifewasgood on Aug 9, 2011 15:07:01 GMT -5
ARE WE HAVING FUN YET?
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usaone
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Post by usaone on Aug 9, 2011 15:09:59 GMT -5
Sorry the buyers came back in no PPT!
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decoy409
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Post by decoy409 on Aug 9, 2011 15:20:01 GMT -5
PPT Rescues the Day! Taxpayers all across America boiling over while there payments are took in to support the ongoing demolition of America. Why the fun next door has really heated up and the ships are sailing to Freedom Land.
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Post by bubblyandblue on Aug 9, 2011 15:24:16 GMT -5
What is the current amount, on average, of high speed trading going on in the markets for the past few weeks? I am just interested about the computer alogs that may be pushing the market around.
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decoy409
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Post by decoy409 on Aug 9, 2011 15:28:46 GMT -5
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decoy409
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Post by decoy409 on Aug 9, 2011 15:30:54 GMT -5
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usaone
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Post by usaone on Aug 9, 2011 15:44:28 GMT -5
No PPT Decoy. If you want to provide some legit evidence let us know.
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Post by lifewasgood on Aug 9, 2011 16:38:29 GMT -5
Working Group on Financial Markets The Working Group on Financial Markets (also, President's Working Group on Financial Markets, the Working Group, and colloquially the Plunge Protection Team) was created by Executive Order 12631,[1] signed on March 18, 1988 by United States President Ronald Reagan. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Working_Group_on_Financial_MarketsAs established by Executive Order 12631, the Working Group consists of: The Secretary of the Treasury, or his designee (as Chairman of the Working Group); The Chairman of the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System, or his designee; The Chairman of the Securities and Exchange Commission, or his designee; and The Chairman of the Commodity Futures Trading Commission, or his designee. Lets start the show!
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silverguy25
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Post by silverguy25 on Aug 9, 2011 16:52:37 GMT -5
It is a show too, a lovely one. I once compared todays markets to the WWF...Lookout bears! Bernanke from da top rope!
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Post by lifewasgood on Aug 9, 2011 17:00:08 GMT -5
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blackcard
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Post by blackcard on Aug 9, 2011 18:08:36 GMT -5
Thanks Small Biz. Who was the other poster you learned from?
V_L since you won't say who you are invested in, who else would be a rare earth investment and how?
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Post by kman on Aug 9, 2011 19:52:30 GMT -5
Goldman Sachs is taking a pretty good hit today. Is there relationship we need to illuminate?
It's out there. Cricket theater at their venues...Shot themselves in the foot ...Keep your eye on the scrap wharehouses in Detroit if you want to know what will happen to the price of aluminum.
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Post by smackdown on Aug 9, 2011 20:41:10 GMT -5
"V_L since you won't say who you are invested in, who else would be a rare earth investment and how?"
You reverse the course from the user to the mine. Great Western holds the contracts on the mines that yield to the battery makers here in MI. When you look it up, I bought at $1.15. Sold it over $90. Not bragging, my point is... I find the source and invest before the wagon train on Wall Street overloads it, like now. You don't need to be Goldman Sachs to spot the future. If Goldamn Sacks is hording aluminum in Detroit, it comes via one set of licenses in the junk business. I know them. They would have no idea about the former Tiers that developed all the clean parts buying raw directly from Alcoa a long time ago and have it stashed in our numerous defunct factories. If the intent is to control the alternatives in development stage, they're coming in very late to play that game.
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Post by smackdown on Aug 10, 2011 10:48:31 GMT -5
I heard today that the fearful are lining up to buy Treasuries at 2.3% committing their funds for 10 years. That's FEAR, not skill. With Freddie Mac asking for more cash, the cause should be investigated. Why... it's none other than Ben Bernanke's promise to keep interest rates LOW for another 2 years! So far, all his LOW rates have gotten us is-- big businesses who can borrow instead of hire, cheap credit for baby mommas and a LACK OF MARGIN on what GSEs like Freddie and Fannie are FORCED to work with as BAD BANKS pile them high with garbage credit.
The solution is a revolution that recognizes Voelker's intelligence over Greenspan or his pet monkey-- Ben. RAISE THE RATES to create servicing margins. RAISE THE RATES to stop cash-rich businesses from borrowing and use what they've got stashed in the markets. RAISE THE RATES to make it harder for Low Income No Stability to get credit that soon defaults and keeps asset values in degradation mode. RAISE THE RATES because if the cost to buy it on credit is significant, the cost of the product or service cannot inflate simultaneously. Destroy the impact of Wall Street on America by freeing up those in a position to grow businesses using strategic not speculative monies.
Run, seniors, run. Trim those inheritance trusts so recovery can be done.
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Post by lifewasgood on Aug 10, 2011 10:54:07 GMT -5
Raise the Rates Been calling for that now for 4 years. We can all survive paying 6% interest on home loans as an example.
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Post by smackdown on Aug 10, 2011 12:24:27 GMT -5
"We can all survive paying 6% interest on home loans as an example."
It stops technical qualification by the unstable and yields marginal commission profits for servicers, which helps pull criteria away from Wall Street and lets the industry get back to managing Risk by writing a check when they're wrong instead of getting bailed by all of us.
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Post by smackdown on Aug 10, 2011 15:23:36 GMT -5
You know... the European "Bank" problem is easy to solve. Incarcerate the bankers, liquidate their Swiss accounts, close their off-shores and revive the original quality-made goods that made us crave European in the first place. Come to think of it... let's do the same worldwide. Is anyone getting the gist that the only good financier is a jailed one? So far this week, we've established one REALLY important fact... there absolutely IS enough cash floating in and out of the markets to recover the whole global economy.
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decoy409
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Post by decoy409 on Aug 10, 2011 15:32:44 GMT -5
But with that magic click V_L,we can stall this a tad longer! Now that is thinking on the bright side!
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blackcard
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Post by blackcard on Aug 10, 2011 19:42:12 GMT -5
V_L Thank you. I see that some common sense research is needed.
Small Biz, If you could, could you PM me the name of other poster who is into Oil? Thanks in advance.
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Post by smackdown on Aug 10, 2011 20:18:00 GMT -5
There's a ton of money pouring out of the markets. Most was put there by big funds or because they followed what Cramer told them or their brother in law or read it online. The best approach is always-- common sense. Are you shorting the Dow? Seems like an easy money move. There is no way for it to recover and bull again without a QE or Fed printer infusion. Since those are not options, the Dow can only compress. Look around... people are looking more fit and paying attention to health and fitness. Maintenance meds are out-- herbal sustaining are in. THESE are investments. There are more, look around, see what has been in front of you all along but not as investment potential. My favorite commodity is outrageously UP. Keep anything away from the paranoid bunch on the wagon and the yield is a wide open field (of profitability).
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Post by smackdown on Aug 11, 2011 7:06:50 GMT -5
Another day of decay or more dark pool drug money trying to pump that cat back?
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Post by smackdown on Aug 11, 2011 15:24:33 GMT -5
pump pump pump pump pump pump pump pump pump pump pump pump... it doesn't have any fur left and the eyes have duct tape on them. A few less job-less filings started it this morning, tech news (cause of the job losses originally) pumped it this afternoon.
pumpumpumpumpumpumpumpumpumpump...
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Small Biz Owner
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Post by Small Biz Owner on Aug 12, 2011 12:15:28 GMT -5
PM coming your way. I have not seem him post in quite a while, I know he has had a lot of personal issues to deal with lately. I will give him a call to see where he is at. Maybe he in town this week.
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usaone
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Post by usaone on Aug 12, 2011 14:13:22 GMT -5
Where is VL today? The banks are supposed to be crashing today, I think. Or was it yesterday?
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Post by smackdown on Aug 12, 2011 21:37:33 GMT -5
They did a long time ago. All we have now are Franken-Banks.
Lowest Consumer Sentiment in 30 years now... are you sure you understand-- anything?
China down-graded our Treasuries to A+. What's in your bond? Not as much as you've been promised.
Maybe you should buy some more JPM. They'll be around (not) for a while.
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