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Post by ugonow on Jul 18, 2011 16:36:04 GMT -5
Tea Party Nation: "We Must Stand With The Bachmanns" Against Gay Rights Submitted by Brian Tashman on July 18, 2011 - 1:20pm Tea Party Nation has increasingly voiced a militant opposition to gay rights, endorsing activists who maintain that LGBT equality will destroy America and that anti-LGBT bullying is “healthy.” Now, the tea party group’s president Judson Phillips himself is calling on activists to rally behind Michele Bachmann and her husband Marcus as they face scrutiny over their clinic’s use of “reparative therapy” and their long opposition to gay rights. Phillips claims that the gay rights movement is part of a larger “liberal freak show” different from the rest of the country, arguing that “most Americans do not believe homosexuality is a good thing”: The liberal freak show is coming after Michele Bachmann. That is not much of a surprise. Bachmann is running a very disciplined campaign, encouraging conservatives and running with a conservative agenda. But now the left is coming after her.
The left wants to use the gay rights issue against her. Bachmann’s husband, Marcus is a therapist and according to the left, he has committed a horrible crime. He used therapy to help gays who did not want to be gay any more change.
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Most Americans do not believe gay marriage is a good thing. Most Americans do not believe homosexuality (which is only 1-3% of the population) is a good thing, though most Americans are tolerant of most things.
The left is not tolerant. The left never allows dissent. To the horror of Americans, Marcus Bachmann once referred to gays as “barbarians.”
Barbarians?
If you are a conservative you have been called much worse and usually in much more obscene terms, for being a conservative.
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Liberalism cannot stand a real debate. Liberals always lose those debates. That is why they always resort to fear, intimidation, violence and mob rule to achieve their goals. We cannot let mob rule win.
For this, we must stand with the Bachmanns. www.rightwingwatch.org/content/tea-party-nation-we-must-stand-bachmanns-against-gay-rightsEdited to place the block quote in a .
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Jul 18, 2011 17:13:46 GMT -5
You should point out that paragraphs 1 and 2 are the article, and paragraphs 3 down are a quote. I suggest placing paragraphs 3 down in a .
As it stands, the author seems schizophrenic.
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Post by steff on Jul 18, 2011 17:15:34 GMT -5
Wish there was a giant FU emoticon for Bachmann and her followers.
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Post by ugonow on Jul 18, 2011 17:18:37 GMT -5
lol, he could be...BUT I always thought this sort of thing was pretty much opposite of their values,....but then again,I always said they were hijacked by political and special interest groups
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Jul 18, 2011 17:39:40 GMT -5
I don't think this is news to anybody. To some conservatives (myself counted among them), the "gay rights" Ms. Bachmann is attacking aren't rights at all. "Anti-LGBT bullying" can refer to anything from genuine bullying (i.e. threats of violence) to ministers decrying homosexuality in churches and public forums. Different conservatives support tactics at different points along this spectrum.
The more "the left" press, the more exposure Bachmann gets, and the more popular she becomes with Americans who see her as an embattled leader.
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Post by rovo on Jul 18, 2011 18:07:39 GMT -5
It is perfectly fine to disagree with a Mod over any opinion piece but if you resort to your usual tactics of name calling in place of a logical argument there will be a problem.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jul 18, 2011 18:32:18 GMT -5
Most people assume gay people are libs, but I can think of three gay people right now I know personally who are conservative/libertarian who agree with this statement wholeheartedly.
They feel that there is a small, but very vocal minority of gays who are out for "benefits"-- who want to use the mantle of gay rights to push a far left socialist agenda.
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Post by handyman2 on Jul 18, 2011 19:15:16 GMT -5
It is amazing how some try to start a fight over some issue. first I have been to tea party gatherings and never heard once any mention of the gays. Trying to associate the tea party to the beliefs of Bachman is stupid. Their issues are bigger than what personal beliefs Bachman may have. Just a journalistic effort to try to build a case where none exists. Are there some in the tea party that have issues with the gay agenda? of course and there are a lot who are not supporters of the tea party that have issues with the gay agenda also.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jul 18, 2011 19:49:18 GMT -5
It is amazing how some try to start a fight over some issue. first I have been to tea party gatherings and never heard once any mention of the gays. Trying to associate the tea party to the beliefs of Bachman is stupid. Their issues are bigger than what personal beliefs Bachman may have. Just a journalistic effort to try to build a case where none exists. Are there some in the tea party that have issues with the gay agenda? of course and there are a lot who are not supporters of the tea party that have issues with the gay agenda also. I was at a TEA Party rally WITH two gay people.
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Post by Mad Dawg Wiccan on Jul 18, 2011 20:40:38 GMT -5
I doubt gays enjoy paying taxes any more than straights.
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Post by chiver78 on Jul 18, 2011 20:49:05 GMT -5
It is amazing how some try to start a fight over some issue. first I have been to tea party gatherings and never heard once any mention of the gays. Trying to associate the tea party to the beliefs of Bachman is stupid. Their issues are bigger than what personal beliefs Bachman may have. Just a journalistic effort to try to build a case where none exists. Are there some in the tea party that have issues with the gay agenda? of course and there are a lot who are not supporters of the tea party that have issues with the gay agenda also. it's guilt by association, handyman. Bachmann was a tea party darling last election round, so it absolutely translates that the tea party backs every piece of her platform. you know, like every conservative is holding out for extending those tax cuts to multi-millionaires. oh, wait. nevermind. fwiw, I have a problem with the term "the gay agenda" and the negative connotation associated with it. why is it so horrible for people in this country to be afforded the same equal rights, benefits, and tax breaks as their fellow Americans?
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jul 18, 2011 20:58:29 GMT -5
I doubt gays enjoy paying taxes any more than straights. Yeah- word is they run businesses, buy products and services, like to find good paying jobs, like to eat, drive cars, and sleep in the climate controlled in-doors...
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Post by chiver78 on Jul 18, 2011 21:04:38 GMT -5
I doubt gays enjoy paying taxes any more than straights. Yeah- word is they run businesses, buy products and services, like to find good paying jobs, like to eat, drive cars, and sleep in the climate controlled in-doors... to both of you for this. too bad the politicians you both tend to support see fit to exclude this portion of society from things like marriage rights.
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Post by cereb on Jul 18, 2011 22:16:19 GMT -5
Now, the tea party group’s president Judson Phillips himself is calling on activists to rally behind Michele Bachmann and her husband Marcus as they face scrutiny over their clinic’s use of “reparative therapy” and their long opposition to gay rights.
These two become more fun by the minute.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2011 22:30:45 GMT -5
It seems to me that the Tea Party is making the same mistakes as the Republican Party. Gay's rights should not be an issue because they are American citizens. We all have the same rights.
The problem of course is that being gay somehow offends some religious people. I guess those people didn't get the message about separating church & state because they keep pushing their religious agenda into their political agenda.
Who a person goes to bed with should not be any business of the government. Once again I'll say that if the government has power to say to a gay person sleeps with, then they have the power to say to a straight person sleeps with. Our government doesn't need that kind of power because they sure as heck with use & abuse it.
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Post by chiver78 on Jul 18, 2011 22:34:59 GMT -5
It seems to me that the Tea Party is making the same mistakes as the Republican Party. Gay's rights should not be an issue because they are American citizens. We all have the same rights. The problem of course is that being gay somehow offends some religious people. I guess those people didn't get the message about separating church & state because they keep pushing their religious agenda into their political agenda. Who a person goes to bed with should not be any business of the government. Once again I'll say that if the government has power to say to a gay person sleeps with, then they have the power to say to a straight person sleeps with. Our government doesn't need that kind of power because they sure as heck with use & abuse it.
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Post by ameiko on Jul 19, 2011 5:01:50 GMT -5
I fail to see the need to place the deviant (from a genetic POV) desires of about 2-3% of the populace on the same legal and moral level as the rest of us.
If homosexuals are truly born that way as they claim, this does not mean that we must endorse homosexuality (which is what gay marriage, the California curriculum, and other actions are all about) any more than some people who are naturally more angry are given as free pass if they fly off the handle and hurt or kill people. Indeed, by endorsing it rather than seeking the root genetic causes, are we not showing less compassion by not seeking to aid/cure them?
If homosexuals are not born that way, they why the big fuss: you pick how you wish to live and thus accept that society does not have to endorse how you live.
Gays rights, specifically marriage, is a red herring; in states where gays have been given the right to marry, the estimated marriage rate is single digit. Despite the fuss, there is NOT an issue that is a big deal to the hearts of most homosexuals which leads myself and others to believe that it's more about tearing down heterosexuals and the preference that history has given to marriage.
A man and a woman, getting married in a state and religous sanctioned manner, and then producing children that they raised to be the next generation was the building block of ALL great socities. Its destruction, of which gay marriage is simply the latest salvo, is a huge reason why the West is falling and indeed some places in the East are in great danger.
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Post by ameiko on Jul 19, 2011 5:15:52 GMT -5
It seems to me that the Tea Party is making the same mistakes as the Republican Party. Gay's rights should not be an issue because they are American citizens. We all have the same rights. The problem of course is that being gay somehow offends some religious people. I guess those people didn't get the message about separating church & state because they keep pushing their religious agenda into their political agenda. Who a person goes to bed with should not be any business of the government. Once again I'll say that if the government has power to say to a gay person sleeps with, then they have the power to say to a straight person sleeps with. Our government doesn't need that kind of power because they sure as heck with use & abuse it. Old Tex, please consider what you are saying though. Regarding the seperation of Church and State, remember that the prohibition of homosexual marriage existed before the rise of Christianity as well as in nations that are non Christian or indeed secular in nature. Regarding the state, I don't think that most in even the Tea Party really cares who someone sleeps with (assuming legal age and ability to consent) but gay marriage is all about forcing the state and the rest of the nation to support and endorse a homosexual's coupling and this goes too far. If I have a business and do not believe in homosexual relationships, well the state can force me to give benefits to a homosexual's spouse regardless of my beliefs. A Christian or Muslim organization that employs a homosexual will have to pay benefits or give access to his or her spouse even if that religion is against gay marriage- that is a violation of the First Amendment where the state is interfering with a religion. Gay marriage and the like is about using the state to force everyone else to recognize these relationships and thus an attack on OUR freedoms to, again, endorse a mere 2 to 3% of the populace. Regarding rights, a comedian did a funny impression of one of the Bushes: "well gay people have the right to marry a person of the opposite sex just as a straight person does." Funny but also true. The idea that one "should be able to marry who you love," sounds great in theory but what if: 1. that person doesn't love you 2. that person is already married 3. that person is a blood relative 4. that person is under age or unable to consent etc.... Homosexuals should have the right to live with and couple with others of legal age and ability to consent but they should not have the right to demand that the state and other peoples be forced to endorse these couplings. Their relationships are simply lacking in the same level as heterosexual ones: the building blocks to create and renew a society. Rather than seek to further devalue heterosexual marriages, we should instead either: 1. rebuild heterosexual marriage to the sacred institute it should be and give it the appropriate level of protection and endorsement OR 2. completely remove the state from the equation EXCEPT to enforce a marriage contract created and agreed to between two consenting adults. Other businesses and organizations can accept or reject those relationships and any benefits or recognition as they deem fit; complete freedom for all- you have any relationship as you want and I can accept it or not as I choose.
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Post by jkapp on Jul 19, 2011 9:26:45 GMT -5
Why should gays be allowed special rights above and beyond anyone else??
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Post by chiver78 on Jul 19, 2011 9:30:35 GMT -5
jkapp - what rights are over and above anyone else's?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2011 9:33:36 GMT -5
Gays should be allowed to drive in the carpool lane even if they are the only one in the car.
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Post by jkapp on Jul 19, 2011 9:35:19 GMT -5
jkapp - what rights are over and above anyone else's? Right now gays have the same rights as every other American...so if they are fighting for additional rights then those are above and beyond what anyone else receives.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2011 9:37:00 GMT -5
A man and a woman, getting married in a state and religous sanctioned manner, and then producing children that they raised to be the next generation was the building block of ALL great societies. Its destruction, of which gay marriage is simply the latest salvo, is a huge reason why the West is falling and indeed some places in the East are in great danger.
Sorry but gays getting married can never be a threat to society unless you believe that a large percentage of heterosexuals are actually gay & I mean a LARGE percentage (not just double the percentage of known gays). Then you have to also believe that 2 same sex partners somehow damage or harm society. I don't see it.
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Post by chiver78 on Jul 19, 2011 9:39:08 GMT -5
jkapp - what rights are over and above anyone else's? Right now gays have the same rights as every other American...so if they are fighting for additional rights then those are above and beyond what anyone else receives. they are fighting for the right to have a legally recognized commitment to their partner. last I checked, that right was already available to heterosexuals. am I missing something?
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Post by privateinvestor on Jul 19, 2011 9:41:07 GMT -5
Is fighting gay rights a teaparty value?
I don't think it is because the Tea Party has grown so large lately that the members could be split over the issue of Gay Rights..of course those on the far right are against Gay Rights Period, but those in the so called middle or left may not be...
But maybe one of our resident Tea Party members here can address this issue better than I can since I am just guessing or assuming again about the Tea Party and Ms Bachmann's views which don't represent the Tea Party's platforms..
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2011 9:41:46 GMT -5
Right now gays have the same rights as every other American...so if they are fighting for additional rights then those are above and beyond what anyone else receives.
I don't get it. Most people can get married anytime they want to, to just about anyone they want to. Gays can't. yet you say they have the same rights? Fifty years ago did blacks have exactly the same rights as everybody else if they wanted to marry a white in just about any southern state? That is just about the same thing (it is the same deprivation of basic rights) so please justify that to me.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2011 9:43:44 GMT -5
Right now gays have the same rights as every other American...so if they are fighting for additional rights then those are above and beyond what anyone else receives. they are fighting for the right to have a legally recognized commitment to their partner. last I checked, that right was already available to heterosexuals. am I missing something? I understand the argument. Gays have the right to marry someone of the opposite sex just like everyone else. Allowing them the right to marry someone of the same sex is giving them additional rights. I understand the semantics behind that argument, but I don't understand why people make that argument.
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Post by privateinvestor on Jul 19, 2011 9:50:06 GMT -5
Right now gays have the same rights as every other American...so if they are fighting for additional rights then those are above and beyond what anyone else receives. I don't get it. Most people can get married anytime they want to, to just about anyone they want to. Gays can't. yet you say they have the same rights? Fifty years ago did blacks have exactly the same rights as everybody else if they wanted to marry a white in just about any southern state? That is just about the same thing (it is the same deprivation of basic rights) so please justify that to me. The Gay Caucus in Sacramento CA want more than Gay Rights..they want the Military to move faster on reforming DADT, include Gay History in our CA primary and secondary schools, and push for Gay Marriages in CA much the same as New York state...those are just a few of the gay agenda legislature being constantly debated in the CA Assembly and senate.. meanwhile other issues are taking a back seat..
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