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Post by billisonboard on Jul 19, 2011 19:46:40 GMT -5
Abolish Gay rights? why should a gay person have any "special rights" above any other citizen should be the question. How would one establish that they are entitled to these "special rights"? Will people fill out a form and get a special "gay" ID card? And how would we keep people who aren't actually gay from lying and getting the card that allows them all those "special rights"?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2011 20:47:48 GMT -5
Abolish Gay rights? why should a gay person have any "special rights" above any other citizen should be the question. [/b
Humok a lot of times I would agree with you. Giving "extra" rights to a people isn't fair. In this instance Gay rights simply means that they want the same rights as everybody else....To marry who they want to. Marry as in a legal piece of paper issued by the state. One could also say that gays want equal rights (equal to other citizens). I don't see it as anything but fair.
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Post by mmhmm on Jul 19, 2011 21:23:01 GMT -5
Dang straight, oldtex. These people are asking nothing more than to be treated like people, for Pete's sake!
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Post by cereb on Jul 19, 2011 21:39:13 GMT -5
"And if you think some gays will not use a gay marriage law to fight against anyone who refuses to acknowledge and accept their marriage, you haven't been paying attention to society for the past few decades. They will sue churches to make them have the ceremony, or sue anyone and everyone for for discrimination...and the government won't lift one damn finger to help with the mess they created. That's their M.O."
Bullshit. Total utter nonsense.
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Post by cereb on Jul 19, 2011 21:43:28 GMT -5
For any of you that think the tea party folks, or at least some of them are not interested in legislating their brand of morality, you haven't been paying attention. The Bachmans aren't even trying to hide their disgust for homosexuals, to the point that Reparative therapy" is on the table at his clinic. It's harmful, is not recognized by the APA or any other medical group, and isn't insurance billable. It's a crock.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2011 21:45:20 GMT -5
"And if you think some gays will not use a gay marriage law to fight against anyone who refuses to acknowledge and accept their marriage,
Gee I wouldn't take it kindly if someone refused to acknowledge or accept my marriage (& it mattered).
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Post by cereb on Jul 19, 2011 21:48:26 GMT -5
"And if you think some gays will not use a gay marriage law to fight against anyone who refuses to acknowledge and accept their marriage,Gee I wouldn't take it kindly if someone refused to acknowledge or accept my marriage (& it mattered). But your marriage is acknowledged by the state, and that is all gays are asking for.
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Post by mmhmm on Jul 19, 2011 22:05:03 GMT -5
There are some straights who will fight anyone who refuses to acknowledge they're Ghengis Khan, too. You're going to find that sort of thing in any group you choose to target ... if you've got to target, that is.
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Post by jkapp on Jul 20, 2011 9:46:08 GMT -5
"And if you think some gays will not use a gay marriage law to fight against anyone who refuses to acknowledge and accept their marriage, you haven't been paying attention to society for the past few decades. They will sue churches to make them have the ceremony, or sue anyone and everyone for for discrimination...and the government won't lift one damn finger to help with the mess they created. That's their M.O." Bullshit. Total utter nonsense. I'm willing to make bets...however, I doubt you'd pay up when you lose...
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Post by cereb on Jul 20, 2011 11:31:37 GMT -5
"And if you think some gays will not use a gay marriage law to fight against anyone who refuses to acknowledge and accept their marriage, you haven't been paying attention to society for the past few decades. They will sue churches to make them have the ceremony, or sue anyone and everyone for for discrimination...and the government won't lift one damn finger to help with the mess they created. That's their M.O." Bullshit. Total utter nonsense. I'm willing to make bets...however, I doubt you'd pay up when you lose... So now you are accusing me as being less than honorable over a comment on a message board. Well that's a nice comeback. You can't sue a church for refusing to marry you. Hasn't happened yet, won't happen in the future. The church has a right to marry whomever they choose to marry in the confines of their building and according to their religious practices. There were no lawsuits during the period of time when blacks and whites were not allowed to marry by law and then, that law was overturned. If you can find a lawsuit where that actually occurred and set any legal precedent, I will happily make a donation to a children's charity in your name or moniker.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2011 12:27:27 GMT -5
"And if you think some gays will not use a gay marriage law to fight against anyone who refuses to acknowledge and accept their marriage,
Gee I wouldn't take it kindly if someone refused to acknowledge or accept my marriage (& it mattered).
But your marriage is acknowledged by the state, and that is all gays are asking for.Cereb my comment was in response to the one above it. On this issue we are in complete agreement (there's a first time for everything).
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Post by handyman2 on Jul 20, 2011 12:45:17 GMT -5
I remember one gay rights group in an area who pushed for gay rights and one of their platforms was that if you fired a gay person you almost had to go to court to get rid of that person even though the person may come to work drunk,stole company money etc. Just because that person was gay they would try to make a case they were terminated for being gay not a bad untrustworthy employee
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Jul 20, 2011 12:48:02 GMT -5
Just because that person was gay they would try to make a case they were terminated for being gay not a bad untrustworthy employee
How is that different from anyone else? If I wanted to I could raise holy hell and claim I got terminated because I was a woman.
But you don't see people trying prevent me from having rights based on a few fringe women groups who would encourage the above behavior.
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Post by mmhmm on Jul 20, 2011 13:07:28 GMT -5
I remember one gay rights group in an area who pushed for gay rights and one of their platforms was that if you fired a gay person you almost had to go to court to get rid of that person even though the person may come to work drunk,stole company money etc. Just because that person was gay they would try to make a case they were terminated for being gay not a bad untrustworthy employee That hasn't been true in my experience. If the company has adequate proof the employee has been drunk on the job, or has stolen from the company, it doesn't matter if the employee is green with pink spots ... they'll still get fired and the termination is perfectly within company rights.
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Post by floridayankee on Jul 20, 2011 13:40:26 GMT -5
Abolish Gay rights? why should a gay person have any "special rights" above any other citizen should be the question. I believe the term "rights" is being used improperly here. IMHO, the term to be used should be "benefits". In that sense, the GLBT crowd is not looking for additional rights...just the same benefits afforded as any other married couple. Think about it...benefits such as being able to add your S/O to your health and/or dental insurance, tax benefits, estate planning benefits, survivor benefits. There are all sorts of unwritten perks for the legally married crowd. Face it...there's a lot more to marriage than just a simple commitment between two consenting, unrelated adults. Marital status is a factor in literally thousands of federal laws – everything from adoption, travel, customs, social security, immigration, bereavement and sickness benefits, automatic inheritance in the absence of a will, status as next-of-kin, joint insurance policies, discounts and special rates applied only to married couples, legally binding joint responsibility to parenting, taxes and even debts, receiving employment-related payments in the event of death of a spouse, rights to renew leases signed by the spouse, having a legal right to confidentiality of communications between a married couple…and let’s not forget the decision-making power when it comes to issues such as funerals, burials, cremations and the right to make medical decisions where the spouse is too ill to decide for themselves. www.loveemmalina.com/2010/12/is-marriage-just-a-piece-of-paper/
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Post by Angel! on Jul 20, 2011 14:10:35 GMT -5
The problem with gay rights is that their are straight rights that are not rights but legal constructs. Get rid of marriage, and quit giving preferential treatment to the married. (full disclosure, I am married). It is ridiculous that any individual get something for a moral choice they have made which has no affect on anyone, else. I agree. The govt needs to get out of the entire marriage business.
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Post by ugonow on Jul 21, 2011 13:55:44 GMT -5
"Horde of Gay Barbarians Demand to be Disciplined at the Bachmanns’ “Pray Away the Gay” Clinic
Minneapolis, MN — Today a horde of gay barbarians descended upon Michele and Marcus Bachmann’s “pray away the gay” clinic and demanded that Marcus come out and discipline them for their “deviant” behavior.
Marcus Bachmann, who conducts “reparative therapy” at the clinic intended to convert homosexuals, has said that gays are “barbarians who need to be disciplined.” The horde requested to speak directly with Bachmann and experience some “discipline” for themselves.
When Marcus was no where to be found, the barbarians glittered the empty waiting room and reception area while chanting, “You can’t pray away the gay — baby, I was born this way!”
The action was organized by the same young man who threw glitter on Newt Gingrich, starting a national trend in political protest of anti-LGBT sentiments from political candidates and campaigns.
“Michele and Marcus Bachmann think gay people are barbarians?” asked LGBT activist Nick Espinosa. “I think its clear to everyone who the real barbarians are, based on the Bachmanns’ archaic views on LGBT equality.”
A Controversial Past: Michele Bachmann has a long history of controversial anti-gay politics, and has compared the gay lifestyle to “bondage and slavery.” In 2005, she was infamously caught lurking in the bushes during an LGBT rally. That same year, she attempted to file a police report when two constituents — a lesbian and an ex-nun — tried to talk with her about marriage equality following a townhall event. The police department refused to file a report, citing that she was in no danger.
Her anti-gay views have been a focal point of her career as a politician, but lately she has shied away from reporters’ questions about her controversial comments and taxpayer-funded “reparative therapy” clinic. While Michele Bachmann has long railed against federal safety net programs like Medicaid, the Bachmann & Associates clinic has received over $137,000 in Medicaid funds and over $27,000 in other state and federal funds. [1]
Last week an undercover investigation confirmed that the Bachman’s clinic is, to this very day, providing discredited “ex-gay” reparative therapy. [2]
For years the scientific and medical communities, including groups like the American Psychology Association, have dismissed “reparative therapy” (also known as “conversion therapy” or “ex-gay therapy”) as dangerous and unethical. [3]
“Its time for Michele Bachmann to stop running away and to take responsibility for her destructive clinic. She, of all people ,should not be abusing medicare and wasting taxpayer dollars to practice quack science that endangers her patients,” Espinosa said."
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Post by Cookies Galore on Jul 21, 2011 14:16:06 GMT -5
"Hordes of gay barbarians..."
If this were an Onion article, I imagine the accompanying photograph would feature the (Viking?) pillagers from the Capital One commercials wearing feather boas.
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Post by floridayankee on Jul 21, 2011 14:22:20 GMT -5
This is why we need to increase the debt ceiling. No way we can cut funding to such useful programs to service debt.
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Post by Angel! on Jul 21, 2011 14:22:45 GMT -5
No matter how you feel on the subject, this is hysterical.
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Post by pepper112765 on Jul 21, 2011 16:28:12 GMT -5
A man and a woman, getting married in a state and religous sanctioned manner, and then producing children that they raised to be the next generation was the building block of ALL great societies. Its destruction, of which gay marriage is simply the latest salvo, is a huge reason why the West is falling and indeed some places in the East are in great danger.Sorry but gays getting married can never be a threat to society unless you believe that a large percentage of heterosexuals are actually gay & I mean a LARGE percentage (not just double the percentage of known gays). Then you have to also believe that 2 same sex partners somehow damage or harm society. I don't see it. And they can and do have children. Just becuase they are gay doesn't mean their ability to procreate vanishes.
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Post by humok on Jul 21, 2011 19:49:29 GMT -5
oldtex I have to disagree....Marriage is about a man and a woman committing to each other and having a family...The Gay thing, from my perspective, is simply about men/women that want to be able to add their lover(of the same sex) to their insurance and claim them on their taxes etc. I say leave marriage for what it has always been for. We have changeed enough of our values and morals as it stands now.
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Post by humok on Jul 21, 2011 19:51:12 GMT -5
Pepper...name one man that has ever had a child and explain how two women can have and raise a child without the sperm from a man......Plainly it goes against nature no matter how you put it into words.
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Post by billisonboard on Jul 21, 2011 19:53:50 GMT -5
oldtex I have to disagree.... Marriage is about a man and a woman committing to each other and having a family... So no kids, no marriage?
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Post by cereb on Jul 21, 2011 19:55:02 GMT -5
Pepper...name one man that has ever had a child and explain how two women can have and raise a child without the sperm from a man......Plainly it goes against nature no matter how you put it into words. Women all over the world have in vetro. Do you have an issue with that? Just curious, because according to your rules, that is against nature as well. For that matter, so isn't the use of antibiotics, pacemakers and heart bypass machines.
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Post by cereb on Jul 21, 2011 19:56:41 GMT -5
"We have changeed enough of our values and morals as it stands now. "
What personal values do you change if Eric and Joe or Judy and Amanda get married?
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Post by humok on Jul 21, 2011 20:01:57 GMT -5
Hmmmm...how do you compare keeping someone alive versus two men or two women getting married and raising a child? Eric and Joe...Judy and Amanda....not what marriage has always been about from the beginning of time for mankind and you need to ask that....just use common sense.
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Post by chiver78 on Jul 21, 2011 20:02:58 GMT -5
Pepper...name one man that has ever had a child and explain how two women can have and raise a child without the sperm from a man......Plainly it goes against nature no matter how you put it into words. so what about all those infertile heterosexual couples around the world? they need assistance to procreate.
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Post by humok on Jul 21, 2011 20:09:47 GMT -5
As for the OP.....What gay rights are you talking about abolishing? They have the same rights as any other man or woman in this country, why should they have "special priviliges/rights" above anyone else?
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Post by cereb on Jul 21, 2011 20:12:14 GMT -5
Hmmmm...how do you compare keeping someone alive versus two men or two women getting married and raising a child? Eric and Joe...Judy and Amanda....not what marriage has always been about from the beginning of time for mankind and you need to ask that....just use common sense. No, you don't get to move the goal posts. If it's "against nature" and that is your reasoning, then the rest of it should fit your standards or, it isn;t a very good reason.
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