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Post by diamonds on Jul 12, 2011 13:23:51 GMT -5
ugonow: Very good, thanks for the info!
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Post by ugonow on Jul 12, 2011 13:29:05 GMT -5
Thank ed.I had no idea until I researched to see if he was right that she would never visit a va hospital unless there was shopping.Seems she is pretty involved in vet affairs.
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Post by BeenThere...DoneThat... on Jul 12, 2011 16:06:08 GMT -5
...five pages? that's a page per ~310cal so far...
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Post by pepper112765 on Jul 12, 2011 16:20:59 GMT -5
I love Dijon on my burgers ... not crazy about cheese on my burgers and definitely no ketchup.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jul 12, 2011 17:08:03 GMT -5
I love Dijon on my burgers ... not crazy about cheese on my burgers and definitely no ketchup. I know, right? My old boss with whom I am still friends, LOVES ketchup.
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Post by Mad Dawg Wiccan on Jul 12, 2011 17:36:24 GMT -5
I love ketchup on burgers and hotdogs. What I can't stand is mayo on a burger.
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Post by dmsm on Jul 12, 2011 18:01:25 GMT -5
I see this place han't changed. I can not believe this thread. Has anyone looked around at our children lately? I have never seen so many obese children. Anything that will get our children playin and eating right is a good thing. The best thing that can happen. No one is stopping you from eating a hamburger but is it not a good thing to teach our children to eat right? Or would you prefer to let the problem get worse? Really? I think you would applaud this. Let the parents decide? Sure but I see most are doing a piss poor job of it. Education never hurt anyone. I wonder do some of you really not see we have a crisis here? Guess most don't. BTW having a hamburger and fries once in awhile is not a bad thing.
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Post by ed1066 on Jul 12, 2011 18:03:40 GMT -5
I see this place han't changed. I can not believe this thread. Has anyone looked around at our children lately? I have never seen so many obese children. Anything that will get our children playin and eating right is a good thing. The best thing that can happen. No one is stopping you from eating a hamburger but is it not a good thing to teach our children to eat right? Or would you prefer to let the problem get worse? Really? I think you would applaud this. Let the parents decide? Sure but I see most are doing a piss poor job of it. Education never hurt anyone. I wonder do some of you really not see we have a crisis here? Guess most don't. BTW having a hamburger and fries once in awhile is not a bad thing. My kids aren't overweight. Why should they have to follow the same rules as the fat kids? Education is fine. Choice is fine. Government-mandated dietary restrictions are not fine...
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Post by swamp on Jul 12, 2011 18:16:33 GMT -5
She hasn't advocated any governmental dietary restrictions. She has pointed out that school lunches, which are subsidized by the government, are generally unhealthy crap and has recommended they serve more fresh fruit and veggies and more whole grains. Since my kids go to a Catholic school that subscribes to the federal lunch program and will be attended public school in 7th grade, I dont have a problem with making the lunches healthier.
Ed, correct me if I'm wrong, but don't you home school your kids? if so, her meddling with the government school lunch program doesn't affect your kids.
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Post by ed1066 on Jul 12, 2011 18:24:21 GMT -5
She hasn't advocated any governmental dietary restrictions. She has pointed out that school lunches, which are subsidized by the government, are generally unhealthy crap and has recommended they serve more fresh fruit and veggies and more whole grains. Since my kids go to a Catholic school that subscribes to the federal lunch program and will be attended public school in 7th grade, I dont have a problem with making the lunches healthier. Ed, correct me if I'm wrong, but don't you home school your kids? if so, her meddling with the government school lunch program doesn't affect your kids. If they can make the federally-subsidized school lunches healthier without spending any more money, fine. If it's going to cost more, I'm against it. And yes, I do homeschool my kids, but sadly I still pay taxes to support the disgraceful public school system, so I do have a say, just like you, thanks very much...
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Post by 973beachbum on Jul 12, 2011 18:29:59 GMT -5
She hasn't advocated any governmental dietary restrictions. She has pointed out that school lunches, which are subsidized by the government, are generally unhealthy crap and has recommended they serve more fresh fruit and veggies and more whole grains. Since my kids go to a Catholic school that subscribes to the federal lunch program and will be attended public school in 7th grade, I dont have a problem with making the lunches healthier. Ed, correct me if I'm wrong, but don't you home school your kids? if so, her meddling with the government school lunch program doesn't affect your kids. I have always called the school lunches the "fat and starch specials". When the gov started the school lunch program I believe that the majority of kids that would have qualified for free or reduced lunches were underweight and lots of calories was the "fix" for that problem. Now the school lunches are horrible as far as nutrition. Coupled with the fact that most kids only get 20 minutes to get it and eat it. Anything that anyone can do to make that better is just fine in my book! BTW Dr Jill Biden is a PHD who teaches at a junior college not a MD type of Dr. As the mother of an active duty service member she has championed programs for family member as well as the programs for service members.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jul 12, 2011 21:49:32 GMT -5
She hasn't advocated any governmental dietary restrictions. She has pointed out that school lunches, which are subsidized by the government, are generally unhealthy crap and has recommended they serve more fresh fruit and veggies and more whole grains. Since my kids go to a Catholic school that subscribes to the federal lunch program and will be attended public school in 7th grade, I dont have a problem with making the lunches healthier. Ed, correct me if I'm wrong, but don't you home school your kids? if so, her meddling with the government school lunch program doesn't affect your kids. If they can make the federally-subsidized school lunches healthier without spending any more money, fine. If it's going to cost more, I'm against it. And yes, I do homeschool my kids, but sadly I still pay taxes to support the disgraceful public school system, so I do have a say, just like you, thanks very much... In many districts, the single easiest thing they could do to make school lunches healthier is spend less. In Chicago Public Schools for example, Whole Foods and other private companies have offered to go in and help revamp the menu; some have even offered to go in and turn poorly used outdoor space into organic gardens-- the obstacle? Crony contracts and unions.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jul 12, 2011 21:51:58 GMT -5
I love ketchup on burgers and hotdogs. What I can't stand is mayo on a burger. I can't do ketchup on anything but fast food fries. DEFINITELY NO KETCHUP on a HOTDOG!!! (I'm from Chicago).
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jul 12, 2011 21:54:20 GMT -5
I see this place han't changed. I can not believe this thread. Has anyone looked around at our children lately? I have never seen so many obese children. Anything that will get our children playin and eating right is a good thing. The best thing that can happen. No one is stopping you from eating a hamburger but is it not a good thing to teach our children to eat right? Or would you prefer to let the problem get worse? Really? I think you would applaud this. Let the parents decide? Sure but I see most are doing a piss poor job of it. Education never hurt anyone. I wonder do some of you really not see we have a crisis here? Guess most don't. BTW having a hamburger and fries once in awhile is not a bad thing. My kids aren't overweight. Why should they have to follow the same rules as the fat kids? Education is fine. Choice is fine. Government-mandated dietary restrictions are not fine... What about this- what if the fat kids are actually healthier? What if a kid is overweight, but perfectly fit? And what if some skinny kid has high cholesterol, and asthma?
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Post by ed1066 on Jul 12, 2011 22:01:20 GMT -5
My kids aren't overweight. Why should they have to follow the same rules as the fat kids? Education is fine. Choice is fine. Government-mandated dietary restrictions are not fine... What about this- what if the fat kids are actually healthier? What if a kid is overweight, but perfectly fit? And what if some skinny kid has high cholesterol, and asthma? That would be interesting I suppose, and no doubt there are cases, but statistically, it isn't likely...
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Post by diamonds on Jul 12, 2011 22:21:03 GMT -5
I disagree with all this "to do" about nothing. Growing up my nephew at age 8 through 10 was so fat that people stared at him. I babysat several times and he was hungry after school. Would he settle for veggies? No! he wanted ice-cream and his mom said it was fine. When I went to visit him at 18 he had grown to 6' 2" and was slim and fit. Now, for myself I have always been a thin kid. No junk food as mom baked her own pies and luscious puddings. I was always sickly. As an adult, I cannot put on weight no matter what I eat so obviously I burn calories quickly. You cannot make a blanket statement about this topic, as everyone is different.
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Post by steff on Jul 12, 2011 22:42:34 GMT -5
you mean like the organic garden the First Lady planted at the White House? you mean like teaching our kids about healthy food choices, organic foods, and moderation in unhealthy foods like the First Lady's platform?
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Post by diamonds on Jul 12, 2011 22:46:53 GMT -5
As for Michelle, and the shakes and french fries, she needs to get on the treadmill and speed up her metabolism. Is it a good role model if your kids see her and think, if she can, I can! I realize she is a big-boned woman but she still has big issues with her backside, which is quite obvious.
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Post by cereb on Jul 12, 2011 23:03:33 GMT -5
Damn right it is. No one has any business telling you how to raise your kids. If you want to feed them bacon grease that's your right. Actually, no it isn't. It isn't your right to abuse a child by feeding them bacon grease. Children are not property.
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Post by cereb on Jul 12, 2011 23:07:46 GMT -5
I see this place han't changed. I can not believe this thread. Has anyone looked around at our children lately? I have never seen so many obese children. Anything that will get our children playin and eating right is a good thing. The best thing that can happen. No one is stopping you from eating a hamburger but is it not a good thing to teach our children to eat right? Or would you prefer to let the problem get worse? Really? I think you would applaud this. Let the parents decide? Sure but I see most are doing a piss poor job of it. Education never hurt anyone. I wonder do some of you really not see we have a crisis here? Guess most don't. BTW having a hamburger and fries once in awhile is not a bad thing. My kids aren't overweight. Why should they have to follow the same rules as the fat kids? Education is fine. Choice is fine. Government-mandated dietary restrictions are not fine... There are no government mandated restrictions. Take a freakin breath already.
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Post by diamonds on Jul 12, 2011 23:10:05 GMT -5
As far as the bad economy, fast-food places are booming. Why? It's inexpensive and filling and they have beefed up the ambience.. If the kids aren't getting their vitamins/minerals from these places they can take a daily vitamin! You really think kids are interested in healthy choices, when they see their friends after school with an ice-cream bar? I am against soda pop as it's loaded with sugar and bad for the teeth. A lot of the health bars and juices have sugar in them too. I say smaller portions is is one of the answers, not like the guy who chowed down 64 hot dogs in 10 minutes....
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Post by cereb on Jul 12, 2011 23:15:20 GMT -5
"And what if some skinny kid has high cholesterol, and asthma? "
Skinny children don't have high cholesterol problems, since cholesterol is directly related to fat and triglycerides. While the human body does make Cholesterol and there are instances of a condition called hyperlipidemia (sp?) of the familial type however this is not usually seen before the age of 18. I'm sure mmhmm can speak more professionally and knowledgeably concerning this topic.
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Post by diamonds on Jul 12, 2011 23:17:38 GMT -5
My neighbors in the area all have skinny kids and they love their junk food. I think their activities burn it off. Sports during school and after school. Sure, you see an odd "obese kid" in the mall, but not too often. Now adults on the other hand, have the issues of being overweight. I mean who can watch TV without snacking?
Men tend to have high cholesterol. The man I live with is quite thin and takes the meds however he doesn't watch his diet, and he eats what he wants. He doesn't want to hear lectures about his ice-ream, cheese, sour cream, chocolate, etc. So be it!
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Post by floridayankee on Jul 13, 2011 7:26:28 GMT -5
I can't do ketchup on anything but fast food fries. DEFINITELY NO KETCHUP on a HOTDOG!!! (I'm from Chicago). What I hate is if I get up early on a weekend and spend an hour or so making up a nice breakfast only to have the family drown it in ketchup. Might as well burn up a can of alpo and a couple eggs instead.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jul 13, 2011 7:29:22 GMT -5
"And what if some skinny kid has high cholesterol, and asthma? " Skinny children don't have high cholesterol problems, since cholesterol is directly related to fat and triglycerides. While the human body does make Cholesterol and there are instances of a condition called hyperlipidemia (sp?) of the familial type however this is not usually seen before the age of 18. I'm sure mmhmm can speak more professionally and knowledgeably concerning this topic. Well, the case I'm citing isn't imaginary. It's real. That "kid" with the high cholesterol grew up to be a skinny little waif of a man who was a vegetarian and he had his first heart attack at 28. He died of his third heart attack at 33.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jul 13, 2011 7:32:20 GMT -5
you mean like the organic garden the First Lady planted at the White House? you mean like teaching our kids about healthy food choices, organic foods, and moderation in unhealthy foods like the First Lady's platform? The point of this thread is that she's a hypocrite. She talks the talk, but she doesn't walk the walk. And given her and her hubby's statist impulses we have to be very wary of what they say because statists never say something they don't ultimately intend to use guns to force you to do.
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Post by ugonow on Jul 13, 2011 7:37:09 GMT -5
So is her eating a big mac any more hypocritical that all the so called fiscal conservatives that a few months ago were calling for the cuts to loopholes and subsidies because "we can't afford them" but are now staunchly defending them saying no tax increases and are willing to default over it? Or is it about the same?
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Post by reasonfreedom on Jul 13, 2011 8:05:20 GMT -5
So what's your point? I eat up to 6000 calories in one day of whatever I want in my diet and I only work out 30 minutes for 3 times a week. I lose body fat and gain muscle. Just so you know using calorie intake by itself is a horrible way for adjusting a diet. I could eat 3000 calories of ice cream or 3000 calories of broccli, I am betting you could guess which one would create more fat. Now what you need to look at is your insulin release level, how much sugar you eat or processed food. For 6 days I basically eat little sugar(no fruit), pretty much all protein,fat and carbs. Now on the 7th day I eat whatever I want(up to 6k calories) but I have certain functions to keep my insulin level down like a big protien meal with a small quantity of fructose before my second meal. Then I take a few supplements, which I normally take like Alpha-lipoic acid, green tea flavanols, garlic extract(eating these prior to meals is actually a great way to increase your fat loss). Any now enough about my diet, but who is to say that she does not do something similar. I am sure she has more access in here position to dieting research than I do.
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Post by floridayankee on Jul 13, 2011 8:34:23 GMT -5
you mean like the organic garden the First Lady planted at the White House? Nothing to do with the thread, but I always loved the redundancy of the term "organic garden"....since organic is basically "derived from living organisms". But, I guess one could actually have a non-organic garden is they "planted" rocks.
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Post by reasonfreedom on Jul 13, 2011 8:41:43 GMT -5
you mean like the organic garden the First Lady planted at the White House? Nothing to do with the thread, but I always loved the redundancy of the term "organic garden"....since organic is basically "derived from living organisms". But, I guess one could actually have a non-organic garden is they "planted" rocks. It depends on what you mean by "organic". My dad has an organic garden and what is meant by that is that he doesn't use pesticides/herbicides not approved by the USDA to be considered organic foods.
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