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Post by henryclay on Jun 29, 2011 2:37:08 GMT -5
I'm stumped again. Several years ago it was okay to tell ethnic jokes. "How many Polacks does it take to change a light bulb?" There were these three guys at a funeral; a Baptist, a Catholic and a Jew. , , , , , "
But things began to change. Ethnic jokes were offensive to some people. "PC" came into the lexicon and it was not PC to offend others.
Then came "They are only marching. They have a right to march. The country is big enough to live with opposing views, so put on your PC hat and let them march."
Then came the Supreme Court ruling that it was okay to burn the flag as an expression of protest.
Then came "Damn right we're going to march, and hold up our signs, , and call the military "homosexualots and killers", God hates both. we are going to disrupt their funerals. It's our right to Freedom of Speech".
And now we have things called "web site disussion forums". But on this forum I believe I detect a penchant for resorting to the repetitive use of outhouse grammar leveled at people whose stated opinions do not compliment those of some posters.
That's what I believe I detect, but I might be wrong. I'm just wondering if I am correct. So I thought I'd pose the question and see if anyone else has noticed it. And if so, how should it be responded to, , , or should it be responded to at all?
Or , , , should I just grow a thicker shell, learn the language of the modern "put-down" and not be so thin skinned?
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Post by BeenThere...DoneThat... on Jun 29, 2011 2:46:52 GMT -5
...seems like standard fare from your basic sandbox bullies, imo...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2011 5:48:57 GMT -5
I'm not sure i follow you... are you advocating a return of polish jokes?
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Post by Bluerobin on Jun 29, 2011 6:42:37 GMT -5
I think things have actually calmed down since MSN dumped the board. It is not perfect, but it is better.
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Post by chiver78 on Jun 29, 2011 8:15:57 GMT -5
And now we have things called "web site disussion forums". But on this forum I believe I detect a penchant for resorting to the repetitive use of outhouse grammar leveled at people whose stated opinions do not compliment those of some posters. That's what I believe I detect, but I might be wrong. I'm just wondering if I am correct. So I thought I'd pose the question and see if anyone else has noticed it. And if so, how should it be responded to, , , or should it be responded to at all? Or , , , should I just grow a thicker shell, learn the language of the modern "put-down" and not be so thin skinned? I detect this too, and I think it's sad. too many people think that they will win an argument by insulting the person holding a differing opinion. that's not how I was taught to debate, but hey, what do I know?
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Post by privateinvestor on Jun 29, 2011 8:21:14 GMT -5
Diversity of opinion and the right to disagree
Henry pls change the word "disagree" to " destroy" and you will be update with today's political scene everwhere including this message board.. We saw some destroying attempts here last night and on MSNBC & CNN who spent several hours trying to destroy Michele Bachmann and/or any member here who tried to defend this lady from Minnesota.. rather sad commentary on todays' politics..as you know..
Thanx, P.I. (Conservative White Male Club)
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Post by ugonow on Jun 29, 2011 9:24:06 GMT -5
Just so we all know, what are the rules?Who is fair game?Obama?Reid? Pelosi? Biden? Anyone with a d behind their name?
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Post by chiver78 on Jun 29, 2011 9:27:36 GMT -5
no kidding, ugonow. P.I. - how is that any different than what the boys of the Conservative White Male Club (as you've dubbed at least yourself) attempting to destroy anyone that doesn't agree with you? it's really not, but because it's your opinion, it's OK. anyone else's opinion is obviously wrong.
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Post by pepper112765 on Jun 29, 2011 9:29:30 GMT -5
Actually anyone should be fair game and the dialogue applicable to the OP. The personal attacks, I think, are juvenile and that's why noone takes those types seriously, even when they say something that makes quite a bit of sense, no matter what side of the aisle or label they choose to affix. You can disagree without being disagreeable and that is what supposedly grown, rational people should be doing.
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Post by swamp on Jun 29, 2011 9:30:11 GMT -5
no kidding, ugonow. P.I. - how is that any different than what the boys of the Conservative White Male Club (as you've dubbed at least yourself) attempting to destroy anyone that doesn't agree with you? it's really not, but because it's your opinion, it's OK. anyone else's opinion is obviously wrong. Thank you, Chiver. Obama gets bashed left and right here, (some of it is deserved) but a Republican candidate who has admittedly said some really dumb and hypocritical things, is off limits?
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Post by privateinvestor on Jun 29, 2011 9:38:00 GMT -5
Just so we all know, what are the rules?Who is fair game?Obama?Reid? Pelosi? Biden? Anyone with a d behind their name? Diversity of opinion and the right to disagree with a LiberalDo so at your own risk IMHO.. But pls remember that Obama, Reid, Pelosi, and Biden are off limits by the Liberal Media...and of course the Huffington Post that we read a lot here lately....the Liberals here and elsewhere have targeted Palin, and Bachmann lately and they want to use the old Liberal Poltical Method of "Personal Destruction"...if has worked for them in the past and might be needed to save Obama's job in 2012..
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Post by pepper112765 on Jun 29, 2011 9:44:56 GMT -5
P.I.
I think it is also a matter of advertising dollars and trying to stay "current" with the news. Michelle Bachman throwing her hat in the ring is newsworthy, she is a public official and therefore open to criticism. Whether you like it or not is neither here nor there, these publications are out to make money, first and foremost. The scrutiny afforded to Michelle Bachman is no different than to any other public figure/official, she just happens to be the "IT WOMAN" right now.
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Post by privateinvestor on Jun 29, 2011 9:51:55 GMT -5
I agree pepper112765....and believe me I know how mean and nasty political campaigns are...I worked on a congressional campaign in Massachusetts and could not believe that there was such a thing as the "Politics of Personal Destruction" that ruined a good friend of mine. He ran for congress for the seat from Boston...& he never recovered from being destroyed by his opponent. And was never the same guy after his poltical defeat and sadly passed in 2004.. I gave the memorial address for him at our college class reunion last June at BC..
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Post by floridayankee on Jun 29, 2011 10:00:21 GMT -5
IMHO, debating skills have morphed in to mud slinging skills. Too many threads simply attack ideas and/or politicians in an attempt to put them down rather than discuss those ideas.
Look at our political campaign arena for a prime example. These campaigns have absolutely nothing to do with why person A would be a better choice for (whatever) office. They're all about why person B would be a bad choice for that office. This is why all political mailers go from the mailbox to the recycle bin and the TV channel is changed when a political ad comes on. I'll do my own research.
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Post by privateinvestor on Jun 29, 2011 10:02:16 GMT -5
IMHO, debating skills have morphed in to mud slinging skills. Too many threads simply attack ideas and/or politicians in an attempt to put them down rather than discuss those ideas. Look at our political campaign arena for a prime example. These campaigns have absolutely nothing to do with why person A would be a better choice for (whatever) office. They're all about why person B would be a bad choice for that office. This is why all political mailers go from the mailbox to the recycle bin and the TV channel is changed when a political ad comes on. I'll do my own research. Look what happens here if you oppose (1) Same Sex Marriages (2) Reforming DADT, or (3) re electing Obama to a 2nd term... And remember if you disagree with a Liberal here you always lose..
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Post by pepper112765 on Jun 29, 2011 10:04:51 GMT -5
Thanks. Your experience is also a testament of the process of campaigning and of public office in general. It is not about the issues that affect the constituents and plans to resolve them but a game of defense, deflect and project so that the least sullied, instead of the most qualified gets the job. The smear campaigns and other trifles that are fed to the masses as critical takes the focus off the issues and then absolutely nothing is accomplished.
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Post by privateinvestor on Jun 29, 2011 10:07:08 GMT -5
I saw first hand what happened at the 11th hour to pull an incumbent Democratic Congresswoman's career from the jaws of defeat to the thrill of victory...she ran TV ads the day before the election that claimed her opponent's campaign was being funded by organized crime and had pictures of local crime bosses in the Boston area.. I could not believe it untll told "welcome to Boston Democratic Politics"...it not only destroyed a dam good man but hurt his family as well..however one of his sons graduated from the Naval Academy and just retired from the Navy..
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Post by chiver78 on Jun 29, 2011 10:13:02 GMT -5
"welcome to Boston Democratic Politics"... that crap goes in both directions in this state, whether you want to admit it to yourself or not.
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Post by privateinvestor on Jun 29, 2011 10:17:52 GMT -5
I think things have actually calmed down since MSN dumped the board. It is not perfect, but it is better. Don't bet on it and we still have another 1 1/2 years yet to go, and I doubt that many of us will last that long here..
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Post by AGB on Jun 29, 2011 10:45:54 GMT -5
As much as I detest Westboro Church, for what they stand and what they do... I know as long as they are allowed to speak, so am I.
First they came for the communists, and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Jew.
Then they came for me and there was no one left to speak out for me.
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Post by floridayankee on Jun 29, 2011 14:48:40 GMT -5
As much as I detest Westboro Church, for what they stand and what they do... I know as long as they are allowed to speak, so am I. I agree 100%. That is why we're granted "Freedom of Speech" not "Freedom from speech that you don't want to hear".
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2011 14:51:53 GMT -5
Of course, on THIS board you can be in the middle of a knock down drag out brawl including lots of posters and many mods watching, and if you are targeted-- you get picked out of the pack and banned. Everyone else gets spanked and thread get locked..
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Post by henryclay on Jun 29, 2011 16:10:16 GMT -5
But only SOME speech, yankee, only SOME speech. Witness the valdictorian in Texas who was not allowed to say the word "Amen" in her address to the graduating class. Similarly a review of this forum will disclose several adjectives and adverbs included in some extremely un-complimentary phrases about people who would utter words like that in public.
I wonder what would be the outcome, and how long it wouod take it to mainifest itself, if a poster here closed each of their posts with the prayer, "Amen, Thy will be done"?
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Post by deziloooooo on Jun 29, 2011 16:31:17 GMT -5
"you get picked out of the pack and banned. "
IMHO, those few who have suffered the ultimate punishment suffered it because they would not go along with what had been told them , either publicly or privately, by those who are charged with over seeing the conduct of these boards, even both , private and public, what was acceptable and what wasn't...so the ones to be blamed, the ones who suffered the penalty, IMHO.
Actually with all the ones participating here, not much of the later happening, banning..even time outs, far and few between..seems to be more talk about them from the same few then actually a happening of it..again, IMHO.
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Post by jkapp on Jun 29, 2011 16:32:00 GMT -5
no kidding, ugonow. P.I. - how is that any different than what the boys of the Conservative White Male Club (as you've dubbed at least yourself) attempting to destroy anyone that doesn't agree with you? it's really not, but because it's your opinion, it's OK. anyone else's opinion is obviously wrong. Thank you, Chiver. Obama gets bashed left and right here, (some of it is deserved) Yes...and then they are labeled racists, or nazis, or any number of other things by Obama supporters.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2011 16:35:42 GMT -5
But on this forum I believe I detect a penchant for resorting to the repetitive use of outhouse grammar
I'm pretty sure that I've never seen the phrase "One holer or Two holer" on these boards so I disagree.
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Post by Shirina on Jun 29, 2011 16:35:45 GMT -5
Perhaps you can explain something for me. IF the "liberal" media is actually liberal, why do you expect it to bash liberal politicians? That's the job of the conservative media, isn't it?
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Post by Shirina on Jun 29, 2011 16:38:01 GMT -5
So ... it's in the same spirit that Obama supporters are labeled as America-haters, God-haters, Jew-haters, Israel-haters, work-haters, democracy-haters, communists, socialists, Marxists, Saul Alinsky followers, (ad infinitum ad nauseum) .... yes?
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Post by henryclay on Jun 29, 2011 16:50:30 GMT -5
Shrina said:
I believe I just saw a moderators post that explained why someone was banned. The explanation was that the banning was based on blanket statements putting everyone of a particular sect into a particularly offensive light.
So, using that moderators admonition, surely you can expound on your charactrization of where these references were made, and who it was that made them.
Curious minds want to know.
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Post by Shirina on Jun 29, 2011 17:06:16 GMT -5
People have been posting and expounding upon articles accusing liberals of hating just about everything except Karl Marx and welfare checks. Currently, there are no threads that make it easy for me to dig up a reference, and surely you do not expect me to dig around thousands of posts looking for one, yes?
Plus I think most of those who make blanket statements are no longer with us, so asking me for references after the fact doesn't make the task an easy one.
But rest assured, it will happen again, and when it does, perhaps I will bring it to your attention.
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