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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2011 15:26:34 GMT -5
Strange coincidence that you have come back here, steff, when the board is "cleaning house". The PMs must be flying fast and furious. Hey, have you guys ever visited Democratic Underground?? You'd like it. Conservatives are banned on sight. They are honest about it, too. It's a perfect place for liberals to be.. well, liberal. www.democraticunderground.com/
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Post by mmhmm on Jul 1, 2011 15:27:13 GMT -5
Not "whatever", krickitt. Personal insults are not going to be tolerated. That's a decision that's been made and will be enforced. If you can't debate without insulting, either learn or leave off. I've already given lie to what you're saying by reminding you that a liberal was removed from the boards permanently while a conservative was given only a couple of days off. Now, I'm going to remove your post calling out other posters for things you have given no evidence of, that have not been reported, and are simply your opinion of these posters. Debates are one thing. Sometimes they turn into arguments, and that's probably unavoidable. However, it's easy to avoid naming other posters and belittling them, or defaming them.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2011 15:29:16 GMT -5
Selective reading, Henry. No big surprise.
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Post by steff on Jul 1, 2011 15:30:23 GMT -5
Don't throw my name out in an attack and then act the victim krickett. I've said NOTHING to you until today. I've started NO problems with you and have done nothing to deserve your little rant.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2011 15:30:31 GMT -5
Deleting me, are you, mmhmm?? No reading back required, right??
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Post by Shirina on Jul 1, 2011 15:31:22 GMT -5
You know what, Henry, we're not even reading out of the same book much less on the same page. Therefore, I am going to walk you through the progression of this conversation in an effort to put it back on track:
First, in Reply #9, Swamp says:
"Obama gets bashed left and right here"
Then, in Reply #24, jkapp says:
"Yes...and then they are labeled racists, or nazis, or any number of other things by Obama supporters."
In Reply #27, I respond to jkapp by saying:
"So ... it's in the same spirit that Obama supporters are labeled as America-haters, God-haters, Jew-haters, Israel-haters, work-haters, democracy-haters, communists, socialists, Marxists, Saul Alinsky followers, (ad infinitum ad nauseum) .... yes?"
You then quoted me in Reply #28 and added:
"So, using that moderators admonition, surely you can expound on your charactrization of where these references were made, and who it was that made them."
What I took from this is that you wanted evidence that liberals were, in fact, labeled as America-haters, God-haters, etc. etc. Well, at that point I said I had no desire to comb through thousands of posts looking for proof, but ... I DID tell you to be patient because someone would post such evidence sooner or later. See? I said it right there in Reply #29:
"But rest assured, it will happen again, and when it does, perhaps I will bring it to your attention."
Then, in Reply #32, you start rattling off accusations about my motives (who is it that deserves an apology, I wonder?)
"I don't personally expect anything, , , except that which I confine to myself. That being, a poster should be able to validate accusations. It is obvious Shrina cannot, did not intend to, probably had no thought of being asked to, and apparently resorted to a canard to further an agenda."
Perhaps you think that what I said in Reply #34 is the accusation?
"You know bloody well that liberals on this board have been accused of hating everything about America and the West."
If this is what you speak of, then no, I won't apologize for it because I find it difficult to believe that you have NO knowledge whatsoever of the liberal-bashing on this forum. Even if you agree with it, you still have to know it exists.
Now, all of the sudden, in Reply #38, you're claiming I've made personal accusations against you, but from the context, my accusing you of knowing about liberal bashing doesn't seem to be what you are referring to.
Instead, you seem to think I'm accusing you SPECIFICALLY of liberal-bashing, which I have never done. In fact, in Reply #39, I even tell you directly that I'm not accusing you personally:
"I'm not making accusations against you personally"
And I even go on to give you the evidence of liberals being accused of hating everything with the following thread title, still sitting on the front page while you blithely denied no such bashing happens:
‘Heart Of Liberalism Really Is A Hatred For God'
In Reply #40, you say this:
"I believe you made the following accusation:"
And the accusation you're referring to is this:
"So ... it's in the same spirit that Obama supporters are labeled as America-haters, God-haters, Jew-haters, Israel-haters, work-haters, democracy-haters, communists, socialists, Marxists, Saul Alinsky followers, (ad infinitum ad nauseum) .... yes?"
Which is kind of funny given that I just supplied you with a thread title that shows the accusation (which was not made against you personally) to be true.
Now, I was wrong in thinking you had made the initial quote about Obama-bashers being called names, but I admitted that.
Then in Reply #61, I give you even more evidence that my accusation is true by quoting Palmbeachpaul:
"Conservative = American."
"Liberal = Anti-American."
And yet you still keep firing away about this "accusation" that I'm supposed to apologize for when a) the general accusation has been proven true and b) no personal accusation against you was ever made.
I hope this clarifies this convoluted maze of verbal excrement.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2011 15:31:43 GMT -5
Now what?? I'm on the LIST to be banned, for sure... we'll see....
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Post by henryclay on Jul 1, 2011 15:40:31 GMT -5
Shirina, please connect ME, henryclay, to being part of or endorseing anything at all in the effort you have posted above.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2011 15:43:35 GMT -5
Yeah, Henry. Good luck with that one. Generalizations are allowed, as long as it is the right person saying them.
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Post by Shirina on Jul 1, 2011 15:54:56 GMT -5
I don't have to, and here's why:
Take a very close look at what I said. In fact, it is the same quote YOU quoted as the accusation you're having such an issue with. Pay attention:
"So ... it's in the same spirit that Obama supporters are labeled as America-haters, God-haters, Jew-haters, Israel-haters, work-haters, democracy-haters, communists, socialists, Marxists, Saul Alinsky followers, (ad infinitum ad nauseum) .... yes?"
Do you see anything missing in that quote? That's right! I never made any references to Republicans, conservatives, Democrats, liberals, libertarians, Indies, moderates, or anyone else, for that matter ... and I certainly didn't mention you by name.
If you want to assume I'm accusing every last conservative, well, that's your assumption, and I'm not going to apologize for something I never actually said.
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Post by henryclay on Jul 1, 2011 16:03:25 GMT -5
But you have not tied ME to anything yet. Just put up the post number, please. Tell me what to look for and where to look for it.
Your flailing about, and trying to connect me with other people's words is just not getting the job done, Shirina.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2011 16:06:52 GMT -5
How absurd, Henry. Asking Shirina to post proof.
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Post by Shirina on Jul 1, 2011 16:09:31 GMT -5
What did I just get done saying in Reply #100?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2011 16:12:27 GMT -5
Can't find it, can you, shirina?? Does that make you angry? Still waiting for you to show all the terrible things Henry said and did.
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Post by ed1066 on Jul 1, 2011 16:14:45 GMT -5
A lot of obfuscation, that's what. Henry outclassed you...
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Post by henryclay on Jul 1, 2011 16:15:09 GMT -5
Shirina said: "What did I just get done saying in Reply #100?"
I say: I don't know what you said, or meant to say. What I'm looking for is something that connects ME to any of it. Sorry if I missed it. Maybe you can put it in bold or something readily recognizable.
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Post by safeharbor37 on Jul 1, 2011 16:17:32 GMT -5
Diversity of opinion and the right to disagree The OP was interesting, but it got hijacked along the way. I note however that you, Henry, took part in allowing the subject to drift to personal recriminations. I suppose that no one was interested in exploring the original discussion, if the discussion actually got started. This board is getting so that there is little here that I care to comment on.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2011 16:19:05 GMT -5
She can't do that, because she lives in generalizations, which have, for some reason, become a no-no on this board.... for select posters.
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Post by chiver78 on Jul 1, 2011 16:21:36 GMT -5
Diversity of opinion and the right to disagreeThe OP was interesting, but it got hijacked along the way. I note however that you, Henry, took part in allowing the subject to drift to personal recriminations. I suppose that no one was interested in exploring the original discussion, if the discussion actually got started. This board is getting so that there is little here that I care to comment on. safeharbor, you beat me to it. can we get back on topic, everyone? -chiver78/Moderator
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Post by privateinvestor on Jul 1, 2011 16:22:15 GMT -5
Ok here is an example of "Diversity of opinion & the right to disagree, I think so here goes my best shot..
Derp, derp, derp, ... You and Henry could form a club. Anyone can join! Just make a bunch of posts playing dumb. You know tell them how "puzzled" you are, or how you "don't get" what they're saying. For someone who professed seeing it all, your range of comebacks are rather disappointing.
Henry & I are already in a club but he is senior to me and I am trying to learn the ropes since I am NOT a Republican and still on probationary status..but we did serve in the Marines about the same time if that accounts for anything with you Ma'am ??
Just take your obsession with liberals and Obama, and it's about a hundredth of that, well if you round up.
Sorry Ma'am once again we will have to agree to disagree because most all of your comments are slamming conservatives or republicans ad nauseum and ad infinitum which is Latin for being obsessed..
They make big bucks whining about Obama and liberals? But any time you want to prove your point with real evidence, you may do so. Show us on THIS BOARD where they talk about making big bucks, then I bet I can beat that with posts of them talking about Obama. Come on, put your money where your mouth is.
Put my money where my mouth is...not sure I get this negative comment and probably don't want to so will pass on it OK..??
BTW, since I caught you, then it wasn't very clever at all, was it? I did get a chuckle at your self defeating argument, but that was a laugh @, not with, so no, that wasn't clever either
Who are you referring to Ma'am?? Who did you catch again doing what?? If you caught Ed again so be it, he might like it.
So in summary we don't agree on much and I don't know what to say except enjoy the 4th and remember guys like ed, Henry and I did some things to help you enjoy your holiday in peace and freedom..
P,I. (Associate Representative)
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2011 16:29:46 GMT -5
What, chiver?? No chastising poster for insults, lies, etc?? Why?
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Post by moon/Laura on Jul 1, 2011 16:30:51 GMT -5
krickitt. your post which bashed a bunch of people, including steff, was completely unwarranted, given the fact that she hasn't been here. i am tired of your baiting and 'poor misunderstood me' crap. you picked the wrong day ...
get the heck out of my "house" .. take your troll friends with you.
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Post by henryclay on Jul 1, 2011 16:33:36 GMT -5
Chiver, safe, , ,
Since I started the thread, maybe I can put a light on what it was all about. And that is, , , , As close as I can come to it, anyone who wants a short lesson in "Diversity and the right to disagree" can use this thread as about as good an example as they're going to get of where we are today.
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Post by privateinvestor on Jul 1, 2011 16:42:38 GMT -5
krickitt. your post which bashed a bunch of people, including steff, was completely unwarranted, given the fact that she hasn't been here. i am tired of your baiting and 'poor misunderstood me' crap. you picked the wrong day ... get the heck out of my "house" .. take your troll friends with you. Are you refering to me Moonbeam?? "Troll Friends".. ?? Is that the thanx I get for all the nice things I have said about you at the conservative white male club meetings and I have not been too active trolling lately must be getting lazy or part of the aging process BTW I think some respect on our 4th Holiday should be shown to us Old, Old and I mean realy Old Veterans of our Nations Wars ...hate to pull rank but sometimes it is necessary to make my point..
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Post by moon/Laura on Jul 1, 2011 16:56:59 GMT -5
no, PI. I am not necessarily referring to you.
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Post by deziloooooo on Jul 1, 2011 16:57:11 GMT -5
People that f**k with Henry really piss me off. He is ten times the posting value of most of us here. 10 times?? mmmmm.... speak for your self..me thinks some might have a few more then that.. seriously, why get involved when two are going at it..just better to sit back, have some , a bit of and enjoy the show, IMHO...
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Post by privateinvestor on Jul 1, 2011 17:03:17 GMT -5
no, PI. I am not necessarily referring to you. Thanx you Ma'am ..thought I was about to be thrown in the scrape heap again for another " Just Because" charge....those are tough to defend against .. P.I. ( Unhappy Camper)
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Post by Shirina on Jul 1, 2011 17:17:10 GMT -5
Why do you insist on being so willfully stubborn about this? I've explained all of this in intricate detail, but you are choosing to ignore it, instead holding out for an apology for a fictitious sleight.
So, to put an end to this nonsense once and for all:
I offer you my fictitious apology for that fictitious accusation.
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Post by privateinvestor on Jul 1, 2011 17:21:52 GMT -5
Why do you insist on being so willfully stubborn about this? I've explained all of this in intricate detail, but you are choosing to ignore it, instead holding out for an apology for a fictitious sleight. So, to put an end to this nonsense once and for all: I offer you my fictitious apology for that fictitious accusation. Hey Shirina ....I still llike you despite all of your negative press lately by the Neo Conservative News Media. I only believe about half of it and think "that's our gal Shirina doing her thing "... Btw I may need your expertise trying to understand the questions in #128 in red.. ? i.e. "derp".."derp".. P.I.
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