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Post by deziloooooo on Jun 29, 2011 17:14:25 GMT -5
Shrina said: I believe I just saw a moderators post that explained why someone was banned. The explanation was that the banning was based on blanket statements putting everyone of a particular sect into a particularly offensive light. So, using that moderators admonition, surely you can expound on your charactrization of where these references were made, and who it was that made them. Curious minds want to know. I am not saying you are not correct, I may have missed it..the moderators remark Henry.. I did see a post from a moderator regarding one who is no longer among us, yesterday I believe, as saying that his, the one banned, refusal to go along with admonishments given him of his posting habits, I believe a example was also presented here, this was why he was banned after numerous suggestions to him as to proper posting habits, what was acceptable , what was not..and he continued with the not..so finally, ...
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Post by thyme4change on Jun 29, 2011 17:25:41 GMT -5
Politics have always been dirty and talkin' trash about politicians is an American tradition. Belittling people who have different philosophical beliefs in government is nothing new. I think this is all SSDD. Read up on the first 50 years of elections in the USA. It makes what we do here (and now) look like a frickin' garden club social.
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Post by henryclay on Jun 29, 2011 17:45:29 GMT -5
Shrina said:
I don't personally expect anything, , , except that which I confine to myself. That being, a poster should be able to validate accusations. It is obvious Shrina cannot, did not intend to, probably had no thought of being asked to, and apparently resorted to a canard to further an agenda. It looks like the agenda is that of claiming to be innocent, yet victimized.
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Post by henryclay on Jun 29, 2011 17:52:56 GMT -5
desi said:
How many similar violations are we allowed desi? Or having read the moderators rationale, should it not be a benchmark for future posts?
I am not your guinea pig. I will not test the margin of moderator tolerance. But if you have an inside track and can tell us the size of that margin perhaps there are others who will.
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Post by Shirina on Jun 29, 2011 18:17:53 GMT -5
Oh knock it off, Henry. You know bloody well that liberals on this board have been accused of hating everything about America and the West. I'm not at your beck and call to trudge through this board looking for things. If you really want to understand where I'm coming from, go read the "What do you think" thread.
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Post by henryclay on Jun 29, 2011 18:33:21 GMT -5
Well, Shirina, not to be outdone, I'll just post a take-off on what oped posted when someone made a similar remark to her. You said: "You know bloody well, , , "
I say: I don't know any such thing and I believe you may be skating close to the edge by accusing me of knowing something thta I do not know.
You also seem bent on continuing to make blanket charges, too, , , , (liberals on this board have been accused of hating everything about America and the West. . . . ), and even within the charges admit they cannot be verified. May I ask where you obtained your debating skills?
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Post by deziloooooo on Jun 29, 2011 18:47:14 GMT -5
desi said: How many similar violations are we allowed desi? Or having read the moderators rationale, should it not be a benchmark for future posts? I am not your guinea pig. I will not test the margin of moderator tolerance. But if you have an inside track and can tell us the size of that margin perhaps there are others who will. If your asking me personally..I would suggest, and I admit , I have been cautioned over time here, and when done so..have acquiesced..it is what it is. I admit, in the beginning here, I liked the back and forth, the dissing, the throwing of arrows and expected and got them back in turn..but for what ever reason, that went out of favor with those who monitor the zone..personally, and this is IMHO only, some here have to thin a skin..one I know actually brought over from the old the same disdain and when i went to start over, was told in no uncertain terms, forget it..still don't know why it was in the first place , though the longer I am here, I find I am not alone in this ones disdain so no biggie to me, with all their rhetoric they can't stand any of that, and complained and still do as to the unfairness of it all.."Oh woe is me and mine" seemed to be the refrain. So that is no longer tolerated..and if you go back for quite a while now, you will see I do not for the most part partake in that any more, at least publicly..now privately, well what goes on in private with friends..well lets face it , it's private and of no concern to any but those who the privates are directed to, don't you agree..? If I do occasionally walk the close line , well I never said I walk on water , and some posts , well a bit of close to the line, warranted, but over all..if told something that had to be adhered to..I am use to taking orders and realize if one doesn't take them , ones butt can be handed to you and a new orifice can appear some where when those above you feel like giving you one, so best to go along , and I do. I would thus suggest..don't sweat it, one knows the guidelines and if privately, publicly am spoken to..just go with it and no problems. I believe as one has said, there is no biggie here on getting rid of people, but if it is needed as thought by those in charge, keep ignoring the advice given, then don't worry about it, it will just happen..zap, zap, that quick.. Those who are not here any more..they never learned that and thus the zaps , zaps..Gone..so be it..
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Post by Shirina on Jun 29, 2011 21:12:25 GMT -5
Then why don't you ask the moderators why people are getting banned for doing exactly that? Are you suggesting the mods are making up charges against them?
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Post by henryclay on Jun 29, 2011 21:36:02 GMT -5
Shirina said: No. That is YOUR suggestion.
Shirina said: I don't ask because it does not concern me. However if you are truly interested you may find it helpful to engage a moderator about it.
It does concern me when I am addressed with blanket accusations and then told the accusations can't be verified. It concerns me that I am being used as an anchor point to further some kind of underhanded purpose that has nothing to do with this board or forum, and has everything to do with making ones own self-imagine look better to ones own self.
I can't say I am proud to be that anchor point, but if that is the extent of depth of the discussion I guess I will have served someone else's need. But other than to just acknowledge it, I see nothing to be gained by responding in kind.
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Post by Shirina on Jun 29, 2011 21:44:10 GMT -5
I'm not making accusations against you personally, but you're treading on verbally dangerous ground when you claim liberals have never been accused of hatred when THIS thread is still sitting on the front page:
‘Heart Of Liberalism Really Is A Hatred For God'
Right there it is ... pretty obvious, isn't it?
So ... you were saying about how this NEVER happens?
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Post by henryclay on Jun 29, 2011 22:03:45 GMT -5
Shirina said:
I say; I believe you made the following accusation:
And I have to ask, (since you accused me directly this time that I said the first quote above), for you to bring to my direct attention exactly what I said and where I said it. You have not been able to verify one siingle accusation til now. Can you verufy this one?
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Post by ed1066 on Jun 29, 2011 22:05:07 GMT -5
So ... it's in the same spirit that Obama supporters are labeled as America-haters, God-haters, Jew-haters, Israel-haters, work-haters, democracy-haters, communists, socialists, Marxists, Saul Alinsky followers, ( ad infinitum ad nauseum) .... yes? No. I label a Jew-hater a Jew-hater, an America-hater an America-hater, and so on. Support of Obama is not the key factor, though I have to admit there is a strong correlative relationship...
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Post by henryclay on Jun 29, 2011 22:28:09 GMT -5
ed, I believe it is even more than a strong correlative relationship. I recently saw where someone had characterized it as being akin to sublimely surreal, approaching biblical in nature. Based on the depth of commitment, and with nothing more to give substance to the affectation than an essentially empty biography, how could anyone not come to the realization that faith, and faith alone, is the only viable explanation.
I suppose that's why there was so much made of the "messiah like" worship exhibited by so many in the beginning.
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Post by ❤ mollymouser ❤ on Jun 29, 2011 22:50:00 GMT -5
So ... it's in the same spirit that Obama supporters are labeled as America-haters, God-haters, Jew-haters, Israel-haters, work-haters, democracy-haters, communists, socialists, Marxists, Saul Alinsky followers, ( ad infinitum ad nauseum) .... yes? No. I label a Jew-hater a Jew-hater, an America-hater an America-hater, and so on. Support of Obama is not the key factor, though I have to admit there is a strong correlative relationship... Well, don't use those labels here ... name-calling and insults are against our terms of service. Throwing around accusations of religious discrimination or hatred can often be construed as libel or slander.
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Post by Shirina on Jun 29, 2011 23:54:25 GMT -5
I'm making a direct comparison, Henry, to show that Obama supporters are not the only people around here throwing around accusations. You rattled off a list of things conservatives are called, so I gave a list of things liberals are called. It was to show that liberals are not only to blame ... despite the penchant for many conservatives on this board to blame liberals for everything bad in this world.
You asked for an example and I gave you one. I'm not accusing you directly and never have. If you think it was a personal comment, you are in error. It was directed at conservatives in general. Thus I don't need to show where you, personally, have said anything.
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Post by henryclay on Jun 30, 2011 0:31:02 GMT -5
Shirina said: I did? I mean, I , henryclay, "rattled, (as you put it), off a list of things conservatives are called"?
I am confused. maybe even senile and forgetful, so relying on your sense of fair play and your observation skills, please, I beseech you so that I can deliver the most sincere of apologies in return, , , , when did I rattle off such a list, and what were my exact words?
And please don't tell my wife, my doctor, or my dog. They already have enough reason to doubt my stability.
Or, , , are you just flailing about like a wild hog that has wandered onto the ice of a frozen pond, lost its footing and is trying to get up, striking out at anything that comes by?
While I'm waiting for you to point me to my "rattle off" list, I WON'T hurry with formulating an apology.
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Post by Shirina on Jun 30, 2011 0:54:11 GMT -5
Okay, Henry, it was jkapp who rattled off the list ... which makes me wonder why it is I'm arguing with you and not him ...?
At any rate, my original point was quite clear. I really have no idea where you're trying to take this so-called "discussion" because it appears to be going nowhere. I'm not even sure what point you're trying to convey ... assuming there even is one.
However, all of your rambling and incoherent posts have succeeded in obfuscating my original point. Therefore, I refuse to be dragged down the "tangential highway" toward a bizarre and muddled point of yours I have yet to discern. If I seem to be "flailing about" as you say, it is only because I am "flailing about" trying to figure out just what it is you're on about. At this point in time, it is a genuine mystery.
In fact, I'm not even sure what in blazes we're even talking about, so I'm going to end this circus of confusion with the conclusion of this post.
Good day.
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Post by henryclay on Jun 30, 2011 1:18:42 GMT -5
Shirina said: I've been wondering about that. . . . . . It was about your blanket of accusations that you have not only been unable to validate, but you now even find yourself caught blaming the wrong person. So if any of the things you say have actually been posted, perhaps they were posted by a liberal, and were directed at more rational thinking people, , , conservatives maybe. . . I wonder if you haven't been looking, if you've been looking t all, , , under the wrong handles for your verification.
But you should keep right on with what you're doing. I serves well in giving substance to why I opened this thread.
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Post by Shirina on Jun 30, 2011 2:35:58 GMT -5
You know what Henry, you're still making no sense, and now you're either being willfully ignorant or just plain oblivious. I'm not going to be lured into one of those stupid arguments where I have to repeat my point 30 times in 30 different ways in the hopes that ONE of them will turn on the light in the attic. If you're really intent on this kind of nonsense, then feel free to ramble on for the next hundred posts, for all I care. I'm not going to hold a discussion with a brick wall that seems unwilling or unable to actually comprehend my ORIGINAL point.
It ends now. I'm done. Any future response to me in this thread will be utterly ignored.
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Post by henryclay on Jun 30, 2011 8:26:16 GMT -5
Shirina said: I say: I don't know what you ORIGINAL point was or where you made it, BUT ON THIS THREAD if you mean your ORIGINAL POST, that's different, and I didn't respond to it. . . . . . .
However, I DID ask for verification of the charges you made in your SECOND post. I'll repeat those charges here and point out that instead of verifying them you said they could not be verified.
And that exchange was essentially repeated several times over, and ended with you never having validated a single accusation.
I simply don't understand your conversational technique, but I am trying to.
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Post by privateinvestor on Jun 30, 2011 8:39:56 GMT -5
Perhaps you can explain something for me. IF the "liberal" media is actually liberal, why do you expect it to bash liberal politicians? That's the job of the conservative media, isn't it? Shirina you make a valid point. I have noticed that some in the Liberal Media having been bashing some liberal politicians lately i.e., the San Francisco Chronicle that some here have labeled a Liberal Rag of the Worse Kind has published some editorials that bashed Pelosi recently for being too partisan and her refusal to budge on the "Debt Reduction" negotiations in the house...one of her biggest critics is Willy Brown here is their website if you are interested: www.sfgate.com and have a nice day & don't let all these intelligent white conservative males get to you.... P.I. ( Member of The **********White, Conservative Male Club} Btw " intelligent" was edited again after my moniker.. oh well I can deal with that, I guess??
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Post by commentator on Jun 30, 2011 8:57:38 GMT -5
I detect this too, and I think it's sad. too many people think that they will win an argument by insulting the person holding a differing opinion. that's not how I was taught to debate, but hey, what do I know? For what its worth, I do NOT expect to win an argument by insulting the person on the other side. In fact, when I start insulting the other person, or using sarcastic subject lines in PMs, it means I've given up trying to persuade that person of the incorrectness of her position on an issue. Sometimes, I give up really quickly if that other person has gone out of her way to insult me. Aside: If jokes are nothing but funny, why are some jokes (mean-spirited ethnic ones for example) frowned upon?
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Post by commentator on Jun 30, 2011 9:01:30 GMT -5
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Post by privateinvestor on Jun 30, 2011 9:09:05 GMT -5
For what its worth, I do NOT expect to win an argument by insulting the person on the other side
Commnentator FYI....according to deminmaine, our esteemed moderator emeritus here, I think?? "if you argue with a moderator you cannot and will NOT win.". So deal with it and move on down the yellow brick road onto bigger and better days here..
P.I. (MSN Moderator ret)
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jun 30, 2011 9:37:49 GMT -5
For the record, I'm a Kraut, not a Polack.
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Post by maui1 on Jun 30, 2011 10:17:00 GMT -5
i liked the time when people could laugh at themselves...........when this happened, it was very hard to get under ones skin.
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Post by maui1 on Jun 30, 2011 10:17:44 GMT -5
sensitivity, came with 'protections'
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Post by Mkitty is pro kitty on Jun 30, 2011 10:24:29 GMT -5
QUOTE the EXACT post where it was said. Otherwise: derp, derp, derp, ...
All in the context of liberals. You know, that obsession conservatives have? Next!
Did you think you were clever when you typed that?
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Post by privateinvestor on Jun 30, 2011 10:31:46 GMT -5
QUOTE the EXACT post where it was said. Otherwise: derp, derp, derp, ... All in the context of liberals. You know, that obsession conservatives have? Next! Did you think you were clever when you typed that? Thnx again for the puzzling or vague comments...but I don't get them with all due respects I just don't get this obsession you have with conservatives all of the conservative members here that I know are not obsessed with Liberals but are obsessed with making big bucks which is not a bad thing..I am probably too obsessed with the Bosox and might just be irreconcile differences with some ladies I know..
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Post by ed1066 on Jun 30, 2011 10:46:12 GMT -5
Hell yeah! Though, unlike your tired snark, it actually was...
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