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Post by deziloooooo on Jun 17, 2011 15:07:49 GMT -5
If I can put my two cents in here..I would say Palestinian Israeli's , citizens of, Yes..Palestinian non Israeli's , not citizens of, No.Why don't the Palestinians in the occupied territories deserve Israeli citizenship, or citizenship in the independent state of Palestine? Simple , they are not citizens of Israel..when the Palestinians get their state, they will, some day, then they will be citizens of that state and hopefully there will be a role for them to play there , along the lines of a Democratic state and they can vote there as citizens. Actually they have that now..elect the party they want to rule them, in not yet a State , but a territory, yet they run their own affairs, naturally under the watchful eye and at times interference on some issues of the Israelis, but most of the daily life is under their own elected, appointed, out of office due to term limits having expired but still going along with what was the elected, though also a split between the two parties, Hamas won the last election, there was a disagreement, Israel , US didn't recognize the winning party, Hamas, called them terrorists so we have what we have now two parties at loggerheads with each other but trying to come to a one sided consensus, confusing I know but as one has said here, way it is.."Deal with it " ;D The two major parties are Fatah[PA] and Hamas..elections are to be in October I believe ..if all goes as planned.
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Post by NoMoreLunacy on Jun 17, 2011 15:23:49 GMT -5
I know that Israel has not given them citizenship. My question was why shouldn't they have Israeli citizenship given that most of the people there were born under Israeli rule? Or do you support colonialism? I thought everyone was against it since WWII?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2011 15:35:49 GMT -5
Because your ideals don't apply over there ? I thought you don't talk about "over there"? When did I say that ?
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Post by cme1201 on Jun 17, 2011 15:46:10 GMT -5
I support following the rules of the country you are in, how many other countries guarantee citizen status to children who are born of non citizens? Jus soli Jus soli (Latin: right of the soil),[1] also known as birthright citizenship, is a right by which nationality or citizenship can be recognized to any individual born in the territory of the related state. Jus soli is observed by less than 20% of the world's countries. In contacting foreign governments directly, the Center for Immigration Studies was able to confirm that only 33 of the world's 194 countries grant automatic birthright citizenship to children born to illegal aliens. Some countries which do have such automatic birthright citizenship policies rarely grant such citizenship to children of illegal aliens, however. In a number of countries, the automatic application of jus soli has been modified to impose some additional requirements for children of foreign parents, such as the parent being a permanent resident or having lived in the country for a period of time. Some experts have cited a "global trend" away from universal, automatic birthright citizenship.[10] Jus soli has been modified in the following countries: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jus_soli
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Post by deziloooooo on Jun 17, 2011 16:03:02 GMT -5
I know that Israel has not given them citizenship. My question was why shouldn't they have Israeli citizenship given that most of the people there were born under Israeli rule? Or do you support colonialism? I thought everyone was against it since WWII? Once more..they don't live in Israel..they live in the West bank, the West Bank is not part of israel, though many in Israel beleive it is their land, but it isn't in the reality of things, ..many Palastinians also have lived in Jordan too, have relatives there..yet they do not have Jordanian citizenship, in fact till the "67" war..they were living under Jordans rule for decades since 1948, and they didn't have Jordanian citizenship either. In fact the King and his Army threw so many of the Palastinians out of the country when they tried to take it over and remove teh Royal House, kicked them righjt out..many to Leebonan, also no citizenship as well as the West Bank. Where you are getting this idea of anyone and every one can be a citizen where ever they feel like any where in the world just by saying they want to be, yet you have no problem telling the Jews , Israeli's they have to play by different rules then all the others..me think you know this, just kind of liking to methink. ;D
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Post by jarhead1976 on Jun 17, 2011 16:04:12 GMT -5
Israel will rock our world.
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Post by deziloooooo on Jun 17, 2011 16:13:10 GMT -5
Israel will rock our world. Hopefully with good inventions even good tunes..possible the Hora will come back as a folk dance...hope not those other things they have stored away somewhere.
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Post by NoMoreLunacy on Jun 17, 2011 16:32:33 GMT -5
I know that Israel has not given them citizenship. My question was why shouldn't they have Israeli citizenship given that most of the people there were born under Israeli rule? Or do you support colonialism? I thought everyone was against it since WWII? Once more..they don't live in Israel..they live in the West bank, the West Bank is not part of israel, though many in Israel beleive it is their land, but it isn't in the reality of things, ..many Palastinians also have lived in Jordan too, have relatives there..yet they do not have Jordanian citizenship, in fact till the "67" war..they were living under Jordans rule for decades since 1948, and they didn't have Jordanian citizenship either. In fact the King and his Army threw so many of the Palastinians out of the country when they tried to take it over and remove teh Royal House, kicked them righjt out..many to Leebonan, also no citizenship as well as the West Bank. Where you are getting this idea of anyone and every one can be a citizen where ever they feel like any where in the world just by saying they want to be, yet you have no problem telling the Jews , Israeli's they have to play by different rules then all the others..me think you know this, just kind of liking to methink. ;D DZ, when you occupy a country by force, you have two choices on how to run it. 1) You can run it like a colony, like the British used to run America 2) You can absorb it as part of your country like America did to Texas In the first case, the residents of the occupied territories do not have voting rights. In the second, they do. Israel has decided to keep West Bank and Gaza as a colony. Colonies are generally frowned upon by countries and societies that believe in democracy, like, say, the USA. I am an US citizen who believes in the core principles of the USA. Hence I think Israel should either absorb or let go. They can let Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank vote in Israeli elections, or they can agree to an independent Palestinian state. Of course, there are people who do not believe in core American principles about freedom, liberty, and democracy, who are fine with colonization. You seem to be one of them, which is fine. That's your right. That is the right of all conservatives who stand up for Israel's right to oppress the people in the colonies. But they, and you, are going against the basic principles that this country was founded on. That's all really.
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Post by NoMoreLunacy on Jun 17, 2011 16:34:18 GMT -5
I support following the rules of the country you are in, how many other countries guarantee citizen status to children who are born of non citizens?
USA does it, it is one of our core principles, I am an American who believes in american values, so I support jus soli. You may not, that's your right.
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Post by NoMoreLunacy on Jun 17, 2011 16:34:52 GMT -5
I thought you don't talk about "over there"? When did I say that ? Is there a <big sigh> emoticon?
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Post by cme1201 on Jun 17, 2011 16:44:19 GMT -5
I know that Israel has not given them citizenship. My question was why shouldn't they have Israeli citizenship given that most of the people there were born under Israeli rule? Or do you support colonialism? I thought everyone was against it since WWII? 20% (and falling) of the world support Jus soli, only 3 countries (none of which are in the middle east) support Jus soli, I would say Israel is following what the majority of the world supports. Do the Palestinian want to be Israels living under and by Israeli law, or do Palestinian want to be under Palestinian rule? Considering they absorbed 1.5 million and offered them citizenship and were rejected, offering it to others may be seen as pointless.
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Post by BeenThere...DoneThat... on Jun 17, 2011 16:45:08 GMT -5
Once more..they don't live in Israel..they live in the West bank, the West Bank is not part of israel, though many in Israel beleive it is their land, but it isn't in the reality of things, ..many Palastinians also have lived in Jordan too, have relatives there..yet they do not have Jordanian citizenship, in fact till the "67" war..they were living under Jordans rule for decades since 1948, and they didn't have Jordanian citizenship either. In fact the King and his Army threw so many of the Palastinians out of the country when they tried to take it over and remove teh Royal House, kicked them righjt out..many to Leebonan, also no citizenship as well as the West Bank. Where you are getting this idea of anyone and every one can be a citizen where ever they feel like any where in the world just by saying they want to be, yet you have no problem telling the Jews , Israeli's they have to play by different rules then all the others..me think you know this, just kind of liking to methink. ;D DZ, when you occupy a country by force, you have two choices on how to run it. 1) You can run it like a colony, like the British used to run America 2) You can absorb it as part of your country like America did to Texas In the first case, the residents of the occupied territories do not have voting rights. In the second, they do. Israel has decided to keep West Bank and Gaza as a colony. Colonies are generally frowned upon by countries and societies that believe in democracy, like, say, the USA. I am an US citizen who believes in the core principles of the USA. Hence I think Israel should either absorb or let go. They can let Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank vote in Israeli elections, or they can agree to an independent Palestinian state. Of course, there are people who do not believe in core American principles about freedom, liberty, and democracy, who are fine with colonization. You seem to be one of them, which is fine. That's your right. That is the right of all conservatives who stand up for Israel's right to oppress the people in the colonies. But they, and you, are going against the basic principles that this country was founded on. That's all really. ...and what is your opinions on Guam, Puerto Rico, American Samoa, and other territories?
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Post by NoMoreLunacy on Jun 17, 2011 16:50:48 GMT -5
DZ, when you occupy a country by force, you have two choices on how to run it. 1) You can run it like a colony, like the British used to run America 2) You can absorb it as part of your country like America did to Texas In the first case, the residents of the occupied territories do not have voting rights. In the second, they do. Israel has decided to keep West Bank and Gaza as a colony. Colonies are generally frowned upon by countries and societies that believe in democracy, like, say, the USA. I am an US citizen who believes in the core principles of the USA. Hence I think Israel should either absorb or let go. They can let Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank vote in Israeli elections, or they can agree to an independent Palestinian state. Of course, there are people who do not believe in core American principles about freedom, liberty, and democracy, who are fine with colonization. You seem to be one of them, which is fine. That's your right. That is the right of all conservatives who stand up for Israel's right to oppress the people in the colonies. But they, and you, are going against the basic principles that this country was founded on. That's all really. ...and what is your opinions on Guam, Puerto Rico, American Samoa, and other territories? the other day Obama gave a speech in Puerto Rico granting Puerto Ricans the right to stay or go, either away, in a plebicite. I think the same should be done for all the other territories.
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Post by NoMoreLunacy on Jun 17, 2011 16:52:39 GMT -5
I know that Israel has not given them citizenship. My question was why shouldn't they have Israeli citizenship given that most of the people there were born under Israeli rule? Or do you support colonialism? I thought everyone was against it since WWII? 20% (and falling) of the world support Jus soli, only 3 countries (none of which are in the middle east) support Jus soli, I would say Israel is following what the majority of the world supports. Do the Palestinian want to be Israels living under and by Israeli law, or do Palestinian want to be under Palestinian rule? Considering they absorbed 1.5 million and offered them citizenship and were rejected, offering it to others may be seen as pointless. Israel may follow whoever it wants to, but I know as an American what I support, and I know what America supports. Palestinians want to live under their own rule, have said so, but Israel wants to keep the occupied territories as a colony.
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Post by deziloooooo on Jun 17, 2011 16:54:53 GMT -5
DZ, when you occupy a country by force, you have two choices on how to run it. 1) You can run it like a colony, like the British used to run America 2) You can absorb it as part of your country like America did to Texas In the first case, the residents of the occupied territories do not have voting rights. In the second, they do. Israel has decided to keep West Bank and Gaza as a colony. Colonies are generally frowned upon by countries and societies that believe in democracy, like, say, the USA. I am an US citizen who believes in the core principles of the USA. Hence I think Israel should either absorb or let go. They can let Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank vote in Israeli elections, or they can agree to an independent Palestinian state. Of course, there are people who do not believe in core American principles about freedom, liberty, and democracy, who are fine with colonization. You seem to be one of them, which is fine. That's your right. That is the right of all conservatives who stand up for Israel's right to oppress the people in the colonies. But they, and you, are going against the basic principles that this country was founded on. That's all really. ...and what is your opinions on Guam, Puerto Rico, American Samoa, and other territories? Ths smart thing would be to give them independence and walk away..not the moral way but as far as a business solution possible the correct one..however, it seems there is no great movement by the great majority to want independence from what I can see, including Puerto Rico.. If so, wanting independence, then by all means off you go, good luck and best wishes to you.
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Post by NoMoreLunacy on Jun 17, 2011 16:57:28 GMT -5
...and what is your opinions on Guam, Puerto Rico, American Samoa, and other territories? Ths smart thing would be to give them independence and walk away..not the moral way but as far as a business solution possible the correct one..however, it seems there is no great movement by the great majority to want independence from what I can see, including Puerto Rico.. If so, wanting independence, then by all means off you go, good luck and best wishes to you. Obama said that he would give Puerto Ricans full voting rights if they want it.
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Post by Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger on Jun 17, 2011 23:39:46 GMT -5
Bi Metal your posts are always great, I like reading them, wherever they are. Still not the right question right? Bimetal wrote: Where did the monies come from for the American banking system in the first place?.. God bless Paul W.
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Post by bimetalaupt on Jun 17, 2011 23:52:18 GMT -5
Bi Metal your posts are always great, I like reading them, wherever they are. Still not the right question right? Bimetal wrote: Where did the monies come from for the American banking system in the first place?.. God bless Paul W. Much of the banking assets can from financing wars.. Civil war(First National Bank of the United States), Spanish American War ( National City) and WWI (Chase National) Wine Production and Banking of the Rothschild family.. They also open one of the largest wineries in the world ( Carmel) in Israel for wine that meet Jewish cleanness laws. Also the Warburg/Dillon family ...If you go to New York you will see fruit grown in Israel everywhere.. Also in the Jewish area of New York they used to sell Israel bonds to mostly Jewish financiers . That was before the credit rating of Israel was high enough to support the bonds.. Today with the very strong Central Bank of Israel run by MIT Professor and IMF chief Economist the GDP is Israel is going well.. they missed most of the downtrurn in the economy. Stanley Fischer has done a very good job .. Phd from MIT>>> Just a thought, Bruce the
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Post by deziloooooo on Jun 18, 2011 0:32:37 GMT -5
Bi Metal your posts are always great, I like reading them, wherever they are. Still not the right question right? Bimetal wrote: Where did the monies come from for the American banking system in the first place?.. God bless Paul W. Much of the banking assets can from financing wars.. Civil war(First National Bank of the United States), Spanish American War ( National City) and WWI (Chase National) Wine Production and Banking of the Rothschild family.. They also open one of the largest wineries in the world ( Carmel) in Israel for wine that meet Jewish cleanness laws. Also the Warburg/Dillon family ...If you go to New York you will see fruit grown in Israel everywhere.. Also in the Jewish area of New York they used to sell Israel bonds to mostly Jewish financiers . That was before the credit rating of Israel was high enough to support the bonds.. Today with the very strong Central Bank of Israel run by MIT Professor and IMF chief Economist the GDP is Israel is going well.. they missed most of the downtrurn in the economy. Stanley Fischer has done a very good job .. Phd from MIT>>> Just a thought, Bruce the good informative post, ty...gave ya a , it's late time for zzzz's so why not..
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Post by Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger on Jun 18, 2011 1:34:00 GMT -5
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Post by Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger on Jun 18, 2011 2:23:48 GMT -5
This page was open when I sat down, I re read your post above Bruce.. First national bank paid for the Revolution, the FIAT greenback of 1861-1862 pd for the civil war. You know, just like how the Fed Reserver system has helped make sure that all that industrial development that happened in the 1870's and 80's didn't go to waist.
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Post by bimetalaupt on Jun 18, 2011 2:30:23 GMT -5
Thank-you for all the kind words. I could not sleep thinking about the friend I have in Midland ( Al and Tommi Cooper) had on their show about 15 years ago the current PM of Israel..( I know this is a bit off subject). He said something about the New Socal Insurance system in Israel and how it compares to the USA and German system.. For everyone the system benefits start very well but are flat vs the peaks of German and USA.. Their is no upper limit but you do get a living replacement.. Current average is about 24,728/ USD per year...from their site..This was design to incurage imagration and workers from the West Bank etc to become citizens.. All they ask was recognition of the Israel government. The average income for West Bank in 2009 was about 2,900 per CIA. Just a thought, Bi Metal Au Pt
Qualifying Conditions Old-age pension
Social insurance: The retirement age for the earnings-tested pension is 67 for men and 62 for women (gradually rising to age 64 by 2017); the age for receiving the pension without an earnings test is 70 for men and 67 for women (gradually rising to age 70 by 2020).
The pension is gradually reduced or suspended if income from work exceeds 57% (for an individual) or 76% (for a person with dependents, according to the number of dependents) of the national average wage. (The national average wage is 8,015 new shekels a month). The reduction is 0.60 of a shekel for every shekel of income above the earnings test.
Must have at least 5 years of coverage in the last 10 years or a total of 12 years of coverage. No qualifying period for insured women who are widowed, divorced, abandoned, married to an uninsured husband, unmarried and aged 57 or older at the time of immigration, or receiving a disability pension during the month before reaching the retirement age.
Income supplement: Paid if income, including the pension, is less than the minimum subsistence level.
Deferred pension: Paid to persons older than the retirement age who did not meet the earnings test requirements for a pension.
Dependent's supplement (earnings-tested): Paid for a dependent spouse or child.
Seniority increment: Paid for more than 10 years of coverage. A housewife is not eligible.
Special old-age benefit (social assistance): Paid to new immigrants not insured because of their age at the time of immigration and to emigrants who returned to Israel, are insured and over the age to receive a pension without the earnings test, but do not satisfy the qualifying period condition.
Income support benefit (social assistance): Must have at least 24 months of continuous residence (12 cumulative months for new immigrants), subject to an earnings and employment test; incapable of earning more than the minimum subsistence level.
A partial benefit is paid to individuals whose combined income from employment and benefits is less than the minimum subsistence level.
Benefits are payable abroad under bilateral agreement.
Disability pension: Must reside in Israel and be between age 18 and the retirement age for the earnings-tested old-age pension. There is no qualifying period. Must have either a total assessed degree of medical disability of at least 60% (from one or more impairments), a total assessed degree of medical disability of at least 40% (if one impairment is assessed as at least 25%), or a total assessed degree of medical disability of at least 50% (for a housewife with a disability).
Must not be able to support his or herself from employment, have an assessed loss of earning capacity of at least 50%, and have no or limited income from employment.
The full pension is paid if assessed with a disability of over 74% and if income from employment is less than the monthly national average wage.
The national average wage is 8,015 new shekels a month.
Partial disability: Paid for an assessed disability of 74% or less.
Incentive pension: The insured's income from employment is higher than the threshold for a normal disability pension and he or she was entitled to a normal disability pension for a least 12 consecutive months before his or her income exceeded the threshold.
Additional monthly pension (AMP): Paid to persons with disabilities with an assessed loss of earning capacity of at least 75% and an assessed degree of medical disability of at least 50%. Must not reside in an institution where a public body pays over 50 percent of expenses.
Graduated AMP: Paid to those who receive an AMP and, due to income from employment, are no longer eligible for the normal disability pension.
Dependent's supplement: A supplement is paid for a spouse or a child with earnings below 57% of the national average wage.
Income supplement: Paid if income, including the disability pension, is less than the minimum subsistence level.
Attendance allowance: Paid if the insured requires the constant attendance of others to perform daily functions. Must be assessed with a disability of at least 60% and be receiving a disability pension (or assessed with a disability of at least 75% and subject to an earnings test).
Mobility allowance: A resident of Israel, between age 3 and the retirement age for men (age 67), with an assessed loss of mobility determined by a medical committee.
Disabled child benefit: A resident of Israel, not living in an institution or with a foster family, and not receiving a mobility allowance (unless the parent has two children, each with a disability and under certain other circumstances).
Long-term care benefit (earnings-tested): At least the retirement age for an earnings-tested old-age pension, not living in an institution, and requiring the constant attendance of others to perform daily functions. The benefit is paid to an individual with income less than 1.5 times the national average wage, to a couple with income less than 2.25 times the national average wage, or to a person with a child with additional income less than 0.75 times the national average wage for each child.
The national average wage is 8,015 new shekels a month.
Benefits are payable abroad under bilateral agreement.
Survivor pension (social insurance): Paid to a widow(er) or child up to age 18 (age 20 if in higher education or the premilitary framework, age 21 if in the military or volunteer service, up to age 22 in certain other cases) of an insured person who died from any cause, except war or hostile action. The deceased had 12 months of coverage in the year before death, 24 months in the last 5 years, 60 months in the last 10 years, or met the qualifying period for an old-age pension. The widow(er)'s pension ceases on remarriage.
A widow must have been married to the deceased at the time of his death and for at least 1 year (6 months if aged 55 or older) or had a child with the deceased.
A widower must have been married to the deceased at the time of her death and for at least 1 year (6 months if aged 55 or older) and must either have a child living with him or satisfy an earnings test.
Survivor pension with income supplement (social assistance): Paid to individuals whose combined income from employment and a survivor pension is less than the minimum subsistence level.
Survivor pension seniority increment: Paid if the insured (except a housewife) had more than 10 years of coverage.
Survivor grant: Paid to a widow(er) younger than age 40 without dependent children or to a widower no longer eligible for a survivor pension.
Special survivor benefit: Paid to the widow and orphans of a person who resided in Israel but was not insured at the time of his immigration.
Marriage grant: Paid to a widow(er) who remarries. The widow(er)'s right to the survivor pension ceases on remarriage.
Death grant: The grant is paid to the widow(er) or children of a deceased pensioner.
Funeral grant: On the death of the insured, the grant is paid to the organization responsible for the funeral.
Benefits are payable abroad under bilateral agreement. Old-Age Benefits Old-age pension
Social insurance: 17.35% of the monthly old-age basic amount is paid to an individual pensioner; 26.05% to a couple. Pensioners aged 80 and over receive an additional percentage.
The monthly old-age basic amount is 7,975 new shekels.
Income supplement: For pensioners younger than age 70, from 29.9% to 64.5% of the monthly old-age basic amount is paid, depending on marital status and the number of children. For pensioners aged 70 to 79, from 30.7% to 65.8% of the monthly old-age basic amount is paid. For pensioners aged 80 or older, from 32.1% to 67.8% of the monthly old-age basic amount is paid. An additional 7% for all age groups is paid.
Deferred pension: The pension is increased by 5% for each year retirement is deferred.
Dependent's supplement: 8.7% of the monthly old-age basic amount is paid for the spouse and 5.5% of the monthly old-age basic amount is paid for each of the first two children up to age 18 (age 20 if in higher education or the premilitary framework, age 21 if in military or volunteer service, age 22 in certain other cases). These supplemental rates are included in the pension rates above.
Seniority increment: The pension is increased by 2% for each year of coverage exceeding 10 years, up to 50% of the pension.
Special old-age benefit (social assistance): The benefits are the same as the social insurance old-age pension.
Income support benefit (social assistance): 20% to 25% of the monthly old-age basic amount is paid monthly to an individual pensioner; 27.5% to 37.5% to a couple without children. The benefit amount varies with age. Widows, separated persons, and single parents receive a higher benefit.
The value of the monthly old-age basic amount is 7,975 new shekels.
Benefit adjustment: Benefits are adjusted annually in January according to the increase in the consumer price index in the previous year. Permanent Disability Benefits
Disability pension (social insurance): A full disability pension is 25% of the disability basic amount plus 7% of this amount.
The disability basic amount is 8,074 new shekels a month.
Partial disability: A percentage of the full disability pension is paid according to the assessed degree of disability.
Incentive pension: Up to a full disability pension is paid according to the insured's income.
For a partial disability, a pension is paid according to the insured's earning capacity or a schedule in law (whichever is lower).
Additional monthly pension (AMP): 17% of the disability pension is paid if the assessed degree of disability is at least 80%; 14% for an assessed degree of disability of 70% to 79%; 11.5% for an assessed degree of disability of 50% to 69%.
Graduated AMP: An AMP is paid that decreases gradually over time (the full amount in the first year; 75% of the full amount in the second year; 50% of the full amount in the third year; 25% of the full amount in the fourth year; no pension is paid in the fifth year).
Dependent's supplement (income-tested): Up to 12.5% of the disability basic amount is paid for a spouse; 10% for each of the first two children. An additional 7% is paid for both categories.
Income supplement: Paid if income, including the disability pension, is less than the minimum subsistence level.
Attendance allowance: 50%, 105%, or 175% of the full disability pension is paid, according to the assessed degree of dependence.
Attendance allowance increment: 14%, 28.5%, or 42.5% of the full disability pension is paid, according to the assessed degree of dependence.
Mobility allowance: The monthly benefit varies depending on whether the insured has earned income, has a driver's license, and owns a car. Additional cash benefits may be provided to help cover car taxes and costs resulting from a loss in mobility.
Disabled child benefit: 30% to 120% of the full disability pension is paid, according to the assessed degree of disability.
Disabled child benefit supplements: The cost of schooling for students with disabilities and an additional benefit for children with severe disabilities is paid.
The maximum total benefit is 137% of the full disability pension.
Long-term care benefit (earnings-tested): 91% of the full disability pension is paid if the beneficiary is largely dependent on the help of others; 150% if severely dependent; 168% if completely dependent. Benefits are normally paid directly to the organization providing the long-term care services, not to the beneficiaries. (If long-term care services are not available and the beneficiary lives with and is cared for by a family member, benefits are paid directly to the caregiver at 80%).
The benefit is reduced by 50% if the insured's income is higher than the average wage for a single person; reduced by 50% if income is higher than 1.5 times the average wage for a couple, plus 0.5 times the average wage for each child, up to a maximum.
The national average wage is 8,015 new shekels a month.
Benefit adjustment: Benefits are adjusted annually in January according to the increase in the consumer price index in the previous year. Survivor Benefits
Survivor pension (social insurance): 17.35% of the monthly old-age basic amount is paid for a surviving spouse aged 50 or older or caring for a child.
The monthly old-age basic amount is 7,975 new shekels.
Child increment: 8.1% of the monthly old-age basic amount is paid for each child.
A single child not covered by the survivor pension child increment receives 10.8% of the basic old-age amount; 8.1% each if there is more than one child; 10.8% for each full orphan.
For a widow(er) aged 40 to 49 with no children, the pension is 13.0% of the old-age basic amount.
If the survivor also receives the old-age pension, the survivor pension is reduced by 50%.
Survivor pension with income supplement (social assistance): 29.9% to 62.7% of the monthly old-age basic amount minus 165 new schekels is paid to a widow(er) depending on his or her age and the number of children. The resulting amounts are increased by an additional 7%.
25% of the monthly old-age basic amount minus 165 new shekels is paid for a single child (orphans and abandoned children); 37.5% minus 330 new shekels for two children.
Survivor pension seniority increment: The pension is increased by 2% for each year the deceased had more than 10 years of coverage, up to 50% of the survivor pension.
Survivor grant: For a widow(er) younger than age 40 with no children, 36 months of the survivor pension is paid in a lump sum.
Special survivor benefit: The benefits are the same as for the social insurance survivor pension.
Marriage grant: The grant is 36 months of the survivor pension and is paid in two installments (the first upon marriage, the second 2 years after).
Death grant: A lump sum of the disability basic amount is paid to the widow(er) or children of a deceased pensioner.
The disability basic amount is 8,074 new shekels.
Funeral grant: The cost of the burial is paid, up to a fixed amount.
Benefit adjustment: Benefits are adjusted annually in January according to the increase in the consumer price index in the previous year. Administrative Organization
Ministry of Social Affairs (http://www.molsa.gov.il) provides general supervision.
National Insurance Institute (http://www.btl.gov.il) administers the program, collects contributions, and pays benefits through its branch offices.
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Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger
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Viva La Revolucion!
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Post by Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger on Jun 18, 2011 16:16:37 GMT -5
Here is that chart i was telling you about deziloooo
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2011 7:54:35 GMT -5
Is there a <big sigh> emoticon? Still doesn't answer the question. And you say I'm dodging ?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2011 20:39:41 GMT -5
"Do onto others what you would have them do onto yourself" or something like that is a Bible passage. Aren't the jewish people the "chosen people"Shouldn't they follow it closer to the letter? As it is now, Israeli are doing to palestinians exactly what was done to them in the past. I don't recall any jewish person claiming that being chased and ostracized all over Europe and the World for that matter, was a good thing. So why not let the palestinians have their litle piece of land and live in it? They have big cohones because they know US stands behind them. That's why we should just take our hands of of them and let them be!
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Post by floodofsantorum on Jun 21, 2011 20:50:53 GMT -5
Well said oped.
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Post by ed1066 on Jun 21, 2011 20:51:33 GMT -5
There's so much wrong with that I don't even know where to start...
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Post by marshabar1 on Jun 21, 2011 20:57:35 GMT -5
The people who run the middle east have no interest in the Palestinians having their land. Israel has tried to accommodate them. The people who run the middle east, and the devil who runs this world for that matter, wants the destruction of Israel plain and simple. All this discussion about Palestinians is moot. The only happy Palestinians are those who live in Israel. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_citizens_of_IsraelThe Hamas leaders who live the high life in Gaza or Paris and in all the capitals of the world where useful idiots treat them like royalty are probably the happiest Palestinians of all. The rest are treated like dogs by their own people.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2011 8:33:52 GMT -5
<<<<< Given that we Palestinians are the ones who have been dispossessed, occupied, and oppressed, one might expect that we should be the ones making such a demand. But that isn’t the case. Why? Because our right to exist as a nation is self-evident. We are the natives of that land! We know we have that right. >>>>> Mundane, tiresome, and inaccurate. All groups of peoples claim to be "natives of the land". This usually takes place when they've been there long enough to forget the details of who they displaced.
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Post by privateinvestor on Jun 24, 2011 9:34:06 GMT -5
Barack O'Bully Wants to End Israel
That may be a stretch but his pressuring Netanyahu to come to the negotiating table in a few more weeks with the Palestinians and trying to set the agenda may not be working for his political gain with the Jewish Community in the Unites States. Because I would hazard a guess and say Netanyahu is more popular or has a higher approval rating than Obama does.....IMHO
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