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Post by henryclay on Jun 16, 2011 19:51:59 GMT -5
Come up positive and yer out. No more good Florida taxpayer funded dole for you.
That's what I heard, starting July 1st. But. . .
Did I hear that right?
Where are the protests? Where is the ACLU? When will the first lawsuit be filed? Better yet, will Obama file it? After all, he's filed more lawsuits against states than anybody else, so far.
Who knows what? I just heard a sound byte on some talk show while I was scanning the boards.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2011 19:54:05 GMT -5
Do they also take the children if the parent tests positive?
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Post by chiver78 on Jun 16, 2011 19:56:12 GMT -5
didn't somebody already start a thread on this?
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Post by marshabar1 on Jun 16, 2011 19:58:20 GMT -5
That's a great idea!! Then if addicts don't want to go into rehab they can go figure out something else to do. As long as addicts are given a little rope they are enabled to continue killing themselves. Let them hit bottom or you're just helping them die. Oped, as far as I'm concerned a drug addicted person is an unfit parent. Alcohol and drugs have ruined more lives than we will ever be able to comprehend. People who CHOOSE drugs choose drugs OVER their families.
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Post by henryclay on Jun 16, 2011 20:01:04 GMT -5
<<<didn't somebody already start a thread on this?>>>> I don't know, chiver. I looked but I didn't find one. I was hoping to get someone with more knowledge on it to come up and post. Would you possibly be that person?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2011 20:01:31 GMT -5
No-- kids can still qualify.. but, guess what-- if Mommy is a drug addict the word is out. Nothing wrong with this, IMO. If you want to be on welfare, better be clean. Another good thing-- if you are being tested for drugs you can't sell your prescription pain pills, because you should have a certain level of them in your blood.. good. Don't want gov't in your pee or blood.. get a job and do what you want.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2011 20:01:30 GMT -5
So when they cut off the dole and the people steal the eyeteeth out of your head... I get so tired of this "feed them or they'll eat you" crap. How about worse... feed them, or they will vote for the 'special interest group' that does feed them... cough, cough, Hamas in Gaza anyone?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2011 20:02:59 GMT -5
The only people who generally qualify for assistance, qualify because they HAVE CHILDREN.... so if you cut their funding for pot... then that IS the kids funding. Kids do not apply for aid on their own... the parents get the aide because they have children.
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Post by chiver78 on Jun 16, 2011 20:03:23 GMT -5
<<<didn't somebody already start a thread on this?>>>> I don't know, chiver. I looked but I didn't find one. I was hoping to get someone with more knowledge on it to come up and post. Would you possibly be that person? I'm pretty sure I saw one a few weeks back. I didn't start one. I'll see if I can find it and link back here. ETA: well, I went back about 3 weeks and couldn't find it. must have been a longer while back than I remember. carry on.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2011 20:05:04 GMT -5
I am not against taking children from unstable environments... although i am reluctant and cautious in the process of assigning who gets to decide the criteria for 'unfit' ... but our foster care system sucks (and Florida is one of the worst)... so without a viable alternative, I don't think you can just cut funding that goes to the welfare of children...
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Post by Tennesseer on Jun 16, 2011 20:10:23 GMT -5
Florida governor signs welfare drug-screen measure Saying it is "unfair for Florida taxpayers to subsidize drug addiction," Gov. Rick Scott on Tuesday signed legislation requiring adults applying for welfare assistance to undergo drug screening. "It's the right thing for taxpayers," Scott said after signing the measure. "It's the right thing for citizens of this state that need public assistance. We don't want to waste tax dollars. And also, we want to give people an incentive to not use drugs." Under the law, which takes effect on July 1, the Florida Department of Children and Family Services will be required to conduct the drug tests on adults applying to the federal Temporary Assistance for Needy Families program. The aid recipients would be responsible for the cost of the screening, which they would recoup in their assistance if they qualify. Those who fail the required drug testing may designate another individual to receive the benefits on behalf of their children.Shortly after the bill was signed, five Democrats from the state's congressional delegation issued a joint statement attacking the legislation, one calling it "downright unconstitutional." "Governor Scott's new drug testing law is not only an affront to families in need and detrimental to our nation's ongoing economic recovery, it is downright unconstitutional," said Rep. Alcee Hastings. "If Governor Scott wants to drug test recipients of TANF benefits, where does he draw the line? Are families receiving Medicaid, state emergency relief, or educational grants and loans next?" Rep. Corrine Brown said the tests "represent an extreme and illegal invasion of personal privacy." "Indeed, investigating people when there is probable cause to suspect they are abusing drugs is one thing," Brown said in the joint statement. "But these tests amount to strip searching our state's most vulnerable residents merely because they rely on the government for financial support during these difficult economic times." Joining in the statement denouncing the measure were Democratic Reps. Kathy Castor, Ted Deutch and Frederica Wilson. Controversy over the measure was heightened by Scott's past association with a company he co-founded that operates walk-in urgent care clinics in Florida and counts drug screening among the services it provides. articles.cnn.com/2011-06-01/politics/florida.welfare.drug.testing_1_drug-testing-drug-screening-tanf?_s=PM:POLITICS
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2011 20:15:09 GMT -5
Someone google it. I don't feel like it right now. KIDS can still qualify, as well as another adult in the family. Just like illegals. THEIR kids qualify, even though THEY do not. People are just mad because so many people smoke pot, and it is still illegal most places...and it stays in your system for months, not days. Plus-- get turned down for welfare because of positive for drugs... beware, that is a matter of record. People should stop doing drugs and maybe they could get a job.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2011 20:15:38 GMT -5
Thanks Tenn. That is good to know. I would assume that the people designated are also researched and tested.
Personally though, i think marijuanna should be legal...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2011 20:17:07 GMT -5
It is interesting that he has a private interest in drug testing as many people as possible.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2011 20:17:42 GMT -5
Good, Tenn did it. You know what? Poor people that can't afford to live can't afford drugs, right? So this should be no problem, unless someone is scamming the system.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2011 20:21:18 GMT -5
Growing pot isn't expensive.... and pot is a whole lot less destructive than alcohol... are they going to be alcohol tested as well? And i'm guessing pot doesn't cost as much as cigarettes do some people... are they going to be tested for nicotine as well?
What about those who take drugs that are script?
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Post by chiver78 on Jun 16, 2011 20:28:56 GMT -5
Good, Tenn did it. You know what? Poor people that can't afford to live can't afford drugs, right? So this should be no problem, unless someone is scamming the system. but people that can't afford to live AND to do drugs will sacrifice one for the other. betcha can't guess which one wins.
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Post by handyman2 on Jun 16, 2011 20:31:29 GMT -5
Well the drug dealers may file suit to stop the bill from becoming law. This would be cutting off a major source of income from them. I remember in Tampa there was a major low income housing project that the police had to start patrolling in numbers during the week that welfare checks arrived. The place would be swarming with crack dealers. They made some big drug busts when they got on to what was happening. Good for the legislature for passing a bill like this. It has been long overdue.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2011 20:37:05 GMT -5
It will probably just increase prostitution. I just hope it doesn't increase child abuse.
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Post by chiver78 on Jun 16, 2011 20:37:30 GMT -5
Rep. Corrine Brown said the tests "represent an extreme and illegal invasion of personal privacy." "Indeed, investigating people when there is probable cause to suspect they are abusing drugs is one thing," Brown said in the joint statement. "But these tests amount to strip searching our state's most vulnerable residents merely because they rely on the government for financial support during these difficult economic times." these comments make my head hurt. I'm sorry, but if you are relying on handouts from taxpayers via government programs, then you are also subject to whatever rules the government program places upon you in order to receive those funds. if you do not want to be subjected to those rules, go out and find a job (or 2) and figure it out. I am a yuppie (32 is still young...right? ) and fully acknowledge that I am not very stable as far as having a year's worth of bills saved up in an EF - or whatever is standard practice these days. *knock on wood* were I to lose my job, I have no illusions about my path forward - I would be hitting up my local coffee shop (where I currently buy a cuppa' daily) for an opener's slot, building on a HS job. I would then find something else for the weekends, like a hostess or wait staff slot, leaving my afternoons free to find myself another professional position. what is wrong with people that they think it's appalling to have rules in order to receive their handouts?!?
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Post by Phoenix84 on Jun 16, 2011 20:39:12 GMT -5
"where does he draw the line? Are families receiving Medicaid, state emergency relief, or educational grants and loans next?"
Actually, that's not a bad idea. Hopefully this is the next step.
It's a good thing to ensure those receiving public money are free of drugs and alcohol. You should forfeit some of your freedoms if you depend upon public assistance. If you don't like it then get a job and get off the system. You've proven you can't make it on your own so someone has to step on and be your parent. i'd even go farther and say anyone on Medicaid, welfare, WIC or any other social program shouldn't be able to vote.
"The only people who generally qualify for assistance, qualify because they HAVE CHILDREN.... so if you cut their funding for pot... then that IS the kids funding. Kids do not apply for aid on their own... the parents get the aide because they have children."
Maybe you're fine with giving taxpayer money (money hard working people earned) to junkies and addicts, but most of us aren't.
Think about it oped. If you're a drug addict and you're getting public money, and you have kids, are you going to spend that money on your kids or on the addiction. If you think they'll spend it on the children you're really naive. You seem to really underestimate the power addiction has over people. This bill is actually BETTER for the kids because mom or dad won't get money for drugs and a responsible adult will be entrusted with the benefits.
The kids are ALREADY going without benefits that are meant for them because their dirtbag parents are spending it on drugs. You seem to think that people who are on welfare or addicated to drugs think like you do.
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Post by chiver78 on Jun 16, 2011 20:40:27 GMT -5
Growing pot isn't expensive.... and pot is a whole lot less destructive than alcohol... are they going to be alcohol tested as well? And i'm guessing pot doesn't cost as much as cigarettes do some people... are they going to be tested for nicotine as well? What about those who take drugs that are script? alcohol is legal, as are cigarettes. unfortunately, I don't see any way for positive tests for either to be enforced any more than a test for grease from McDonald's drive-thru meals could be. as far as scripts, I would think if you can produce the script, you should be allowed the appropriate levels of that drug in your system. that's absolutely reasonable.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2011 20:42:39 GMT -5
The 'next step' is actually government workers... everyone knows they are really just elevated welfare recipients anyway
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2011 20:44:13 GMT -5
But the point made was if you are to poor to live, you are too poor for drugs... so if you are too poor to live, i'm guessing you are too poor for smokes and gin... ?? ...
I think we need more WIC and works type programs... but then WIC is being cut i guess... ?
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Post by henryclay on Jun 16, 2011 20:44:54 GMT -5
Well, whoop ti doo.
Somebody mentioned, (dissed), the governor has an interest in profits from drug testing. How does that compare to a federal judge being impeached for taking bribes from drug kingpins?
That's part of the biography on one of the critics of the law. Does anybody recognize the name? It's among those listed above. There's no word on if he has taken any recent bribes or even when was the last time it occurred.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jun 16, 2011 20:45:55 GMT -5
I favor kicking people off the welfare rolls after a period of time anyway. I'm really uneasy with the politics of the "war on drugs" because I feel the "war on drugs" AND welfare should BOTH end.
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Post by Phoenix84 on Jun 16, 2011 20:46:54 GMT -5
"The 'next step' is actually government workers... everyone knows they are really just elevated welfare recipients anyway."
I'm a federal employee, I don't care if I have to get a drug test. I'm clean so it doesn't matter.
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Post by cereb on Jun 16, 2011 20:53:06 GMT -5
"This bill is actually BETTER for the kids because mom or dad won't get money for drugs and a responsible adult will be entrusted with the benefits."
OMG.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2011 20:53:14 GMT -5
Not just his career... i'm guessing they'll have to try to take his kids too... if that is a precedence we set...
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Post by chiver78 on Jun 16, 2011 20:58:03 GMT -5
Wait till someone screws up the test and you have to prove that. Your entire career down the drain because of the incompetence of some person. you aren't taking into account false positives for legitimate things, like those people who are relying on assistance. be careful what you ask for..... I'm not too sure about the details of this, overall. I like the idea in theory, but have yet to see enough detail in the practice to know whether it's a good thing or not. how will they handle false positives? how will they handle legal drugs/alcohol? will there be thresholds like with BAC and driving?
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