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Post by cereb on Jun 16, 2011 20:58:17 GMT -5
This is going to create a shitstorm like nobody has ever seen. You folks who are in favor of this actually think it's going to save money? HA! All it did was create another bureaucracy, give another bureaucracy more power than it ever should have, and it's not going to save a dime. It's going to cost.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2011 21:05:44 GMT -5
Yeah cereb... EVERYONE will be tested... and then, as long as you pass the test... they will REIMBURSE YOU for the test... meaning the government will be paying for tests (so unlike the gov, if you currently aren't getting money for drug testing, now is the time to jump in...) ...
And, once again we will be pushing users towards harder drugs... which just happen to exit the system more quickly than pot... sigh...
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Post by cereb on Jun 16, 2011 21:08:07 GMT -5
"Yeah cereb... EVERYONE will be tested... and then, as long as you pass the test... they will REIMBURSE YOU for the test..."
That right there is comical.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2011 21:09:31 GMT -5
Is my spelling off again?
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Post by cereb on Jun 16, 2011 21:14:55 GMT -5
None of this would be needed if we would simply stop handing out the money and instead fund soup kitchens. What are they going to do, trade their place in line for some dope? Soup kitchens and food pantry's are funded through FEMA and other sources. However, it's difficult to reach all of those in need with this mode of service.
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Post by cereb on Jun 16, 2011 21:29:48 GMT -5
Soup kitchens and food pantry's are funded through FEMA and other sources. However, it's difficult to reach all of those in need with this mode of service. Set up the stations and if they're hungry enough, they'll find them. They don't seem to have any problem finding the dope dealer's house. And what do you say to the people who are on aide and not abusing the system? That are working? That do take care of their kids? who have simply fallen on hard times? are single mothers with children? Are severely and persistently mentally ill and cannot work because of the amount of medications they have to take to keep them safe from harming themselves or others? Are elderly? Lost a spouse who was the primary breadwinner? These are the actual faces of people who are on welfare. across the country. Are there some who abuse the system? Of course. Are all welfare recipients drug addicts? Of course not.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jun 16, 2011 21:34:54 GMT -5
None of this would be needed if we would simply stop handing out the money and instead fund soup kitchens. What are they going to do, trade their place in line for some dope? I think there should be outlets where you can go help yourself to gummint cheese, gummint rice, gummint beans, etc- staples. This should be in place of food stamps AND agriculture subsidies. You want food- come-n-git-it. No more cash.
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Post by Tennesseer on Jun 16, 2011 21:43:21 GMT -5
So you drug test someone and they come up clean and you then put them on welfare. Do you ever test them again? Easy for some to remain clean long enough to qualify. But what stops them from doing drugs after their drug screen?
To make this truly work, they would have to be randomly tested at least once a month and with little to no notice of the impending drug screen.
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Post by NoMoreLunacy on Jun 16, 2011 21:46:14 GMT -5
Not to worry. With more Puerto Ricans settling down in Florida it is slowly becoming a blue state.
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Post by pappyjohn99 on Jun 17, 2011 1:44:01 GMT -5
Wait till someone screws up the test and you have to prove that. Your entire career down the drain because of the incompetence of some person.
Welcome to life in the private sector. That's how it works for us. No reason it shouldn't work that way for the public sector as well.
And the soup kitchen is a better way to go also. There are way too many people trading food for cash.
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Post by floridayankee on Jun 17, 2011 6:31:38 GMT -5
How about when the test is screwed-up and poppyseed rolls test as heroin? I would strongly recommend welfare recipients avoid poppyseed rolls.
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Post by floridayankee on Jun 17, 2011 6:46:53 GMT -5
Good for the legislature for passing a bill like this. It has been long overdue. A little about the Legislator that sponsored the bill... State Rep. Jimmie Smith can sympathize with the plight of people on public assistance. He's been there.
Fresh off two decades in the Army, he found himself working as a building supervisor. Money was tight and he had an infant at home, so he signed up for a federally funded program that helps poor families buy food for children up to 5 years old.
"I wanted it to be a hand-up and not a handout," said Smith, adding that he never bought as much food as he could have and canceled the assistance before it was scheduled to expire.
What the Lecanto Republican doesn't sympathize with: aid recipients who use illicit drugs. Smith sponsored a bill, signed into law last week by Gov. Rick Scott, requiring applicants for temporary cash assistance to pass a drug test.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2011 7:09:24 GMT -5
Food kitchens might work in the city where you have public transport and dense populations, but they would not work in the country. a WIC type program would be better, where people in the program are limited in the things they can purchase.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2011 7:13:09 GMT -5
But why is it 'prove you are not doing something illegal' ? Why is it test everyone, and not just strategically test those who demonstrate reasonable cause? Except for the fact that it provides a huge new market for government paid drug testing... (which ultimately does not sound like a money saving proposition....)
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Post by pappyjohn99 on Jun 17, 2011 7:19:26 GMT -5
I also am not wild about creating the mindset that you have to prove your innocence to every tin-horn bureaucrat, employer and nosy parker. What happened to them proving you actually did something wrong?
I don't know what you do for a living tough, but in the private sector you get UA'ed to get a job, they do random testing without notice, and make you fill the cup if you have an accident. I work for a fortune 500 company and last week a gal fell in the bathroom. She was injured bad enough that her supervisor wanted her to go to the ER to be checked out. This happened on Thursday and Monday she was gone. She was "dirty".
Do you think we should be worried that now she will have to rob people on the street?
This is the world we have created. The welfares have to join us in it. TANSTAAFL.
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Post by cme1201 on Jun 17, 2011 7:21:49 GMT -5
But why is it 'prove you are not doing something illegal' ? Why is it test everyone, and not just strategically test those who demonstrate reasonable cause? Except for the fact that it provides a huge new market for government paid drug testing... (which ultimately does not sound like a money saving proposition....) The average drug test runs 25-35 dollars. The Average food stamp benefit is 100 per month, if you fail a drug test the state has paid 35 dollars to save 1200 a month. Example number only. may not be accurate as to the foodstamp amount.
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Post by ugonow on Jun 17, 2011 7:38:47 GMT -5
Rick Scott is a slick dude.First his company is involved in a large medicare fraud case,now he mandates drug testing for those recieving aid. Is it just a side note that he passed ownership of his medical clinics [who do drug testing] to his wife,so there would be no "conflicts of interest?" Sorry,I think he should pay for every test out of his own pocket. Can you imagine all the drugs that will come up in some elderly's tests? ---sorry at first I had Rick Perry
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jun 17, 2011 7:44:04 GMT -5
How about when the test is screwed-up and poppyseed rolls test as heroin? I would strongly recommend welfare recipients avoid poppyseed rolls. I'd have bet money this was false...but lo and behold: www.snopes.com/medical/drugs/poppyseed.aspStatus: True
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jun 17, 2011 7:44:36 GMT -5
Rick Perry is a slick dude.First his company is involved in a large medicare fraud case,now he mandates drug testing for those recieving aid. Is it just a side note that he passed ownership of his medical clinics [who do drug testing] to his wife,so there would be no "conflicts of interest?" Sorry,I think he should pay for every test out of his own pocket. Can you imagine all the drugs that will come up in some elderly's tests? Well, he was once a Democrat after all...
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Post by ugonow on Jun 17, 2011 7:46:35 GMT -5
Here is his next project---<<<<Scott and Florida Republicans are currently trying to enact a sweeping Medicaid reform bill that would give HMOs and other private health care companies unprecedented control over the government health care program for the poor. Among the companies that stand to benefit from the bill is Solantic, a chain of urgent-care clinics aimed at providing emergency services to walk-in customers. The Florida governor founded Solantic in 2001, only a few years after he resigned as the CEO of hospital giant Columbia/HCA amid a massive Medicare fraud scandal. In January, according to the Palm Beach Post, he transferred his $62 million stake in Solantic to his wife, Ann Scott, a homemaker involved in various charitable organizations.>>>>
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Post by ugonow on Jun 17, 2011 7:48:09 GMT -5
Lucky for him he has leaned far right,otherwise this would be a conflict of interest.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2011 8:57:38 GMT -5
"The average drug test runs 25-35 dollars. The Average food stamp benefit is 100 per month, if you fail a drug test the state has paid 35 dollars to save 1200 a month."
Except they don't actually deny the benefits. The benefit are almost universally NOT for the parent... they are for the children... so a new person will be designated (and they will be tested too!) ... and the benefits will STILL go out...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2011 8:58:40 GMT -5
So lonewolf... all welfare recipients are now also druggies?
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Post by pappyjohn99 on Jun 17, 2011 9:02:22 GMT -5
So lonewolf... all welfare recipients are now also druggies?
Some here believe that the fine folk receiving aid would immediately become whores and pushers if the money was cut off.
Rather an ugly opinion of their fellow man, IMO.
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Post by jarhead1976 on Jun 17, 2011 9:03:15 GMT -5
If we could also get them to show that they are legal citizens that would be awesome.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2011 9:09:57 GMT -5
Prostitution is the worlds oldest profession. To deny it is naive. When there is nothing else left...?
I don't think everyone would turn to prostitution. I actually think that this would not 'catch' all that many people... although it will generate income for those doing testing...
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Post by pappyjohn99 on Jun 17, 2011 9:15:20 GMT -5
You can't be serious Oped. They would be booting every other one.
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Post by pappyjohn99 on Jun 17, 2011 9:16:28 GMT -5
Jarhead - And lets check the house for the live-in boyfreind.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2011 9:19:33 GMT -5
So, every other welfare recipient is on drugs?
And they WILL NOT be booted... the aide is for the children... they will keep testing until someone clean can be put in charge of the $$... and it will STILL be distributed... you can't take the aide away from the chidlren...
And most drugs are NOT staying in the system for months... it will not be hard to stay clean for the initial test... of have someone else pee in the bottle...
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Post by pappyjohn99 on Jun 17, 2011 9:29:28 GMT -5
So, every other welfare recipient is on drugs? Even money on that. But we won't know until we test them all.
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