FL citizens on the dole to be drug tested??

[pappyjohn99]

you can't take the aide away from the chidlren...

Why not. No one was the least bit concerned about the children of the girl I mentioned here who lost her job. And since she was fired for cause, she will receive no unemployment.

What's your moral position on that?

[cme1201]

Jun 17, 2011 8:57:38 GMT -5 oped said:

"The average drug test runs 25-35 dollars. The Average food stamp benefit is 100 per month, if you fail a drug test the state has paid 35 dollars to save 1200 a month."

Except they don't actually deny the benefits. The benefit are almost universally NOT for the parent... they are for the children... so a new person will be designated (and they will be tested too!) ... and the benefits will STILL go out...

Actually it is dependant on family size for the amount of benefit's that go out,

FOOD STAMP PROGRAM
www.scribd.com/doc/28946141/Florida-Food-Stamp-Program
According to the chart on page 3 (cant paste it) shows that a family of 4 who gross 2389 per month get a benefit of 668.00 if 1 parent is disqualified from receiving benefits the amount drops to 526.00 which is a savings of 142.00 there are 2.56 million (roughly) Floridaians on Food Stamps, if 5% are disqualified due to drug addiction it works out to an 18,176,000 savings per month in food stamp benefits, if you add in the medicaid benefit the savings increase more.

[Deleted]

If she gets no unemployment and needs food and shelter for her children... that is what these other programs are for... is it not? ...

I am going by what Tenn posted earlier... it says specifically that children will not be denied aide.

And that is not how the family size thing really works...

[jarhead1976]

Jun 17, 2011 9:16:28 GMT -5 pappyjohn99 said:

Jarhead -

And lets check the house for the live-in boyfreind.

That would require Government to get off their a$$ and really do something.

[cme1201]

Jun 17, 2011 9:35:44 GMT -5 oped said:

If she gets no unemployment and needs food and shelter for her children... that is what these other programs are for... is it not? ...

I am going by what Tenn posted earlier... it says specifically that children will not be denied aide.

And that is not how the family size thing really works...

That is Florida guidlines, They will not cut the children they will cut the parent, each member in the family is alloted a share of the funds you receive, if 1 member is removed the amount of foodstamps is reduced by there alloted share.

Explain how it does not work that way.

[Deleted]

No. If you are two adults you will not qualify for aide. It is when you get the dependent child that you qualify... family size is used ONLY to deterime income eligibility... are you going to stop counting the adults income? ...

[cme1201]

Jun 17, 2011 9:42:59 GMT -5 oped said:

No. If you are two adults you will not qualify for aide. It is when you get the dependent child that you qualify... family size is used ONLY to deterime income eligibility... are you going to stop counting the adults income? ...

First off your deflection to make this personal to me isn't' going to work, I am not going to stop counting anything as I do not set the law nor do I set the guidelines. I have only placed the guidelines for review. As the person would still reside in the household their income would be calculated they just would not figure into family size for income redistribution.

2 adults who fall below the poverty guidelines (less than 100% of poverty level based on household size) will receive food stamps, elderly couples with limited assets qualify, when a child is in the picture the poverty threshold moves up to 130%.

I know people who receive Food stamps, they are friends, but, I will not shed one tear for reductions to their food budget.

[ugonow]

I know many seniors that recieve aid. Should be fun making them go in for their tests...maybe Scott can drive them....oh wait,maybe he can send one of his home health nurses

[pappyjohn99]

Should be fun making them go in for their tests

Getting old ain't for sissies.

[cme1201]

Jun 17, 2011 10:17:44 GMT -5 ugonow said:

I know many seniors that recieve aid. Should be fun making them go in for their tests...maybe Scott can drive them....oh wait,maybe he can send one of his home health nurses

Yes, let's play on emotion, great play. Works everytime.

[EVT1]

Not going to happen- it is unconstitutional and all slick Rick has done is waste money and time. Just political BS. Why is he not in jail BTW?

[ugonow]

Yes, let's play on emotion, great play. Works everytime.

Why is that playing on emotion? You think it is an effective use of tax money to drug test seniors? Not to mention you are the one who brought up elderrly couples ...Know how many drugs some of them have in them.....and btw.... Scott does have investments in a company that does home nursing, so they won't have to get out and be tested.

[cereb]

This thread is such a sad statement.

[ugonow]

imo,the money would be better spent cracking down on fraud and abuse and as others suggested immigration status of benefit recipients. And I believe Scott is partially driven by his own greed. His companies will benefit from this.

[Deleted]

Jun 17, 2011 11:20:27 GMT -5 cereb said:

This thread is such a sad statement.

You're right. Some people on here...yourself included, along with oped and others will find any excuse you can to keep people on the government dole.

"If no welfare then people will riot while at the same time becoming tranny hookers dealing drugs to babies on the playground and grandma will start making snuff films to keep her script habit alive!"

This is the sad statement kind of crap y'all come up with.

[cereb]

"You're right. Some people on here...yourself included, along with oped and others will find any excuse you can to keep people on the government dole."

Not true at all. Not even close. But thanks for the mini emo rant.

[Deleted]

Oh no... I'd love if we spent more money on fraud prevention and works programs, and targeted food programs. I've said so lots.

I don't see how drug testing will actually do anything but line the pockets of the testers though...

[Deleted]

And for those few people who might be caught and have funds limited, yes, i think if they are core drug users, they are more likely to turn towards further illegal methods to get what they want/need...

[cereb]

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[cme1201]

Jun 17, 2011 11:11:59 GMT -5 ugonow said:

Yes, let's play on emotion, great play. Works everytime.

Why is that playing on emotion? You think it is an effective use of tax money to drug test seniors? Not to mention you are the one who brought up elderrly couples ...Know how many drugs some of them have in them.....and btw.... Scott does have investments in a company that does home nursing, so they won't have to get out and be tested.

Yes I knew of Scott's involvement with these companies 2 days after he announced he was going to run, it didn't matter to those who voted for him, just as it doesn't matter now.

Most seniors who receive foodstamps are signed up at the Social Security office, (at least the one's in my area) there doctors can sign certified blood work, as they are more than likely haveing full blood work ups with the pill regimine many seniors are on.

[pappyjohn99]

And I believe Scott is partially driven by his own greed. His companies will benefit from this.

And so would our society. Not a thing wrong with making money if it benefits everyone.

[Deleted]

It will not benefit everyone...

How is it OK to pass legislation that helps you make money through government funds... but horror upon horror if you are part of a public union?

[Deleted]

Jun 17, 2011 11:31:30 GMT -5 oped said:

Oh no... I'd love if we spent more money on fraud prevention and works programs, and targeted food programs. I've said so lots.

I don't see how drug testing will actually do anything but line the pockets of the testers though...

This is what I don't understand. Why do you have to spend MORE money to prevent FRAUD? Just fucking prevent it in the first place. Simple and doesn't cost anyone an extra dime. Cost savings galore.

Would you rather have drug testers pockets lined....or drug dealers?

[ugonow]

IMO, it is an illconcieved plan . What drugs will be looked for?The majority of abused drugs are legal. Do we ignore valium because it is legal? Or do we just stick to coke,pot,crack,etc? Do you think if such a law is in place these people will smoke up then go be tested? I think the money would be better spent on fraud and abuse prevention and investigation.

[cereb]

The money that will be spent on this new bureaucracy would be much better spent on jobs training, sheltered work shops and child care for those women who are single with children. Families or adults who are suspected of drug use or who are currently in the process of a conviction or arrest should have their benefit suspended. A one time offer of rehab and commitment to stay sober with testing gets you back your benefit. Failure to comply with your sobriety gets you booted off your benefit and a nice visit from the kind and helpful folks at CPS.

[Deleted]

Jun 17, 2011 11:38:05 GMT -5 ugonow said:

IMO, it is an illconcieved plan . What drugs will be looked for?The majority of abused drugs are legal. Do we ignore valium because it is legal? Or do we just stick to coke,pot,crack,etc? Do you think if such a law is in place these people will smoke up then go be tested? I think the money would be better spent on fraud and abuse prevention and investigation.

Obviously your run on the mill illegal drugs should be check for. As far as 'legal' prescription drugs are concerned, there's a simple and effective way to test for this:

"We found these (prescription) drugs in your system. Can you show us the prescription or get your doctor to verify that these legal drugs have been issued to you for YOUR use?"

Damn....that was simple. Next.

[ugonow]

Ironic the right was so adament about "government telling us what medical procedures we can or can't have" but in the last month have been for Scott mandating this and Perry mandating ultrasounds.

[cme1201]

A urine test is not a medical precedure.

[ugonow]

Obviously your run on the mill illegal drugs should be check for. As far as 'legal' prescription drugs are concerned, there's a simple and effective way to test for this:

"We found these (prescription) drugs in your system. Can you show us the prescription or get your doctor to verify that these legal drugs have been issued to you for YOUR use?"

Damn....that was simple. Next.

Yea...real simple..... Now you have to open a new government agency to run through all these....... real simple.......

[ugonow]

A urine test is not a medical precedure.

It is a diognostic procedure done by the medical profesion