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Post by Angel! on Jun 17, 2011 8:50:04 GMT -5
but much more is that 40,000,000 more people will now have access to medical that were doing without before-- like me. But, unlike me, a lot of those 40,000,000 will abuse it. My god you are so arrogant it is ridiculous. You are unemployed & broke & need help to get medical treatment, but still somehow think you are better than everyone else that might find themselves in your situation. Wake up! You are not special, you are not different, you are exactly the type of person that these programs & the health care reform are designed to help. You are the reason that many of us support these programs - so people can get help when they need it.
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Post by floridayankee on Jun 17, 2011 8:50:26 GMT -5
Do you currently have health insurance? What does it matter? You're not forced to buy that either. yet.....
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Post by NoMoreLunacy on Jun 17, 2011 8:51:14 GMT -5
Oh, the drama. Even before obamacare, there was no means testing in the ER. Keep doing that liberal twist.
I was merely channeling the knee jerk conservative response. You didn't like it eh? See, this is the only way to show conservatives how hollow their own positions are.
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Post by NoMoreLunacy on Jun 17, 2011 8:52:34 GMT -5
Do you currently have health insurance? What does it matter? You're not forced to buy that either. yet..... It matters. If you are anyway buying health insurance today, you have already exercised your choice, and nothing changes for you in future, so you shouldn't be whining. If you are going without today, and depending on your own assets to cover all your medical bills, then you may have a ground to complain.
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Post by mmhmm on Jun 17, 2011 8:52:36 GMT -5
If you choose to live, whether you choose to purchase medical insurance, or not, you're exercising your freedom to have a catastrophic accident, or illness. It's not a matter of choice in that case.
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Post by floridayankee on Jun 17, 2011 8:55:28 GMT -5
Why is your wage flat? Do you not have a personal responsibility to better yourself? Why do you assume I'm not bettering myself. Are you one of those greedy liberals that believes self worth is somehow tied to money?
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Post by NoMoreLunacy on Jun 17, 2011 8:56:38 GMT -5
Why is your wage flat? Do you not have a personal responsibility to better yourself? Why do you assume I'm not bettering myself. Are you one of those greedy liberals that believes self worth is somehow tied to money? I didn't raise the issue of money. You did.
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Post by ugonow on Jun 17, 2011 8:57:08 GMT -5
Would it be constitutional to say,if you choose to seek the services of a medical care provider,you must either pay up front,or show proof of insurance of some sort that will cover it?
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Post by mmhmm on Jun 17, 2011 8:57:20 GMT -5
You may not have meant krickitt, exclusively, florida yankee, but krickitt isn't the only person in this country to whom such things happen. There but for grace could go you, or I, under the wrong circumstances. We may be more fortunate, and have more assets, but ... well, there are many who try very hard but don't have the assets we have. As I said, something must be done about the malingerers, but people who are legitimately working and trying to survive don't deserve to be dumped in the local Dempsy dumpster because they can't afford medical insurance and meet with an untimely catastrophe. We, as those who do have assets, have some responsiblity toward our fellow citizens, IMO.
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Post by floridayankee on Jun 17, 2011 8:59:41 GMT -5
I was merely channeling the knee jerk conservative response. You didn't like it eh? See, this is the only way to show conservatives how hollow their own positions are. So by making up a completely unlikely situation you're declaring victory? Yup...I'm just an evil, greedy, hollow conservative. I'm not worthy.
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Post by mmhmm on Jun 17, 2011 9:00:03 GMT -5
but much more is that 40,000,000 more people will now have access to medical that were doing without before-- like me. But, unlike me, a lot of those 40,000,000 will abuse it. My god you are so arrogant it is ridiculous. You are unemployed & broke & need help to get medical treatment, but still somehow think you are better than everyone else that might find themselves in your situation. Wake up! You are not special, you are not different, you are exactly the type of person that these programs & the health care reform are designed to help. You are the reason that many of us support these programs - so people can get help when they need it. Too true! We see people in the ER all the time who have done their best. Some have been devastated by the economy, some have lost their jobs, some are poor for any number of reasons. They don't have insurance but that doesn't make them worthless. They need help, and care, and compassion, just like anyone else. We recognize the difference between the malingerers and the truly needy, believe me.
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Post by NoMoreLunacy on Jun 17, 2011 9:00:25 GMT -5
Would it be constitutional to say,if you choose to seek the services of a medical care provider,you must either pay up front,or show proof of insurance of some sort that will cover it? I don't think so, as then you are interfering with private business.
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Post by NoMoreLunacy on Jun 17, 2011 9:01:40 GMT -5
I was merely channeling the knee jerk conservative response. You didn't like it eh? See, this is the only way to show conservatives how hollow their own positions are. So by making up a completely unlikely situation you're declaring victory? Yup...I'm just an evil, greedy, hollow conservative. I'm not worthy. Now you are sulking. So do you currently have health insurance?
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Post by floridayankee on Jun 17, 2011 9:06:06 GMT -5
It matters. If you are anyway buying health insurance today, you have already exercised your choice, and nothing changes for you in future, so you shouldn't be whining. If you are going without today, and depending on your own assets to cover all your medical bills, then you may have a ground to complain. So I should only care about rights being violated if it impacts me? So I shouldn't care about abortion laws because it doesn't impact me? I shouldn't support same sex marriage because it doesn't impact me? I shouldn't care if they make a black man ride in the back of the bus because it doesn't impact me? puh-leeze. Obamacare stomps on people's right to choose and whether or not this impacts me or not is irrelevant. I support everybody's right to choose, not just my own.
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Post by NoMoreLunacy on Jun 17, 2011 9:08:22 GMT -5
It matters. If you are anyway buying health insurance today, you have already exercised your choice, and nothing changes for you in future, so you shouldn't be whining. If you are going without today, and depending on your own assets to cover all your medical bills, then you may have a ground to complain. So I should only care about rights being violated if it impacts me? So I shouldn't care about abortion laws because it doesn't impact me? I shouldn't support same sex marriage because it doesn't impact me? I shouldn't care if they make a black man ride in the back of the bus because it doesn't impact me? puh-leeze. Obamacare stomps on people's right to choose and whether or not this impacts me or not is irrelevant. I support everybody's right to choose, not just my own. Step at a time. So you agree that you are not impacted personally in any way by Obamacare, despite much bellyaching earlier on?
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Post by floridayankee on Jun 17, 2011 9:12:30 GMT -5
Step at a time. So you agree that you are not impacted personally in any way by Obamacare, despite much bellyaching earlier on? Everybody that loses their right to choose is impacted.
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Post by NoMoreLunacy on Jun 17, 2011 9:16:04 GMT -5
Step at a time. So you agree that you are not impacted personally in any way by Obamacare, despite much bellyaching earlier on? Everybody that loses their right to choose is impacted. OK, I buy that (and will save that for the abortion issue that you raised). So, were you planning to exercise your right to go without health insurance in the future and depend just on your assets?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2011 9:16:52 GMT -5
You support everyone's right to be freeloaders? You support the right of individuals to be able to not pay for insurance, until they need it?
Actually, i'm fine with no mandate... that actually MIGHT succeed in bringing down the insurance companies....
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Post by floridayankee on Jun 17, 2011 9:20:34 GMT -5
You may not have meant krickitt, exclusively, florida yankee, but krickitt isn't the only person in this country to whom such things happen. There but for grace could go you, or I, under the wrong circumstances. We may be more fortunate, and have more assets, but ... well, there are many who try very hard but don't have the assets we have. As I said, something must be done about the malingerers, but people who are legitimately working and trying to survive don't deserve to be dumped in the local Dempsy dumpster because they can't afford medical insurance and meet with an untimely catastrophe. We, as those who do have assets, have some responsiblity toward our fellow citizens, IMO. mmhm...The poster I responded to said " One thing is why should you have to deplete all your assets to get medical care?". You're talking about people with no assets...and I agree with you. I have a problem people that expect others to use their assets so they can keep their own.
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Post by NoMoreLunacy on Jun 17, 2011 9:22:26 GMT -5
I have a problem people that expect others to use their assets so they can keep their own.
Like people who have medical insurance and motorcycle insurance?
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Post by mmhmm on Jun 17, 2011 9:25:58 GMT -5
I'm not arguing that point, floridayankee, as should be clear from my posts. I'm just as incensed by the malingerers as you are. I just can't see throwing the baby out with the bathwater to get at those folks.
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Post by Angel! on Jun 17, 2011 9:27:15 GMT -5
I have a problem people that expect others to use their assets so they can keep their own. That is the entire purpose of insurance - to spread the risk so everyone can have coverage. Everyone pays into the pool & everyone has equal coverage. You might as well be saying you don't think that insurance should exist. After all, why should I pay for someone else's accident with my car insurance, it wasn't me that had an accident. Why deplete my assets to cover their mistake?
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Post by floridayankee on Jun 17, 2011 9:30:50 GMT -5
You support everyone's right to be freeloaders? Only if you make the lame assumption that everybody making the personal choice not to buy insurance is a freeloader. I support the right to choose. I also support letting people live with the consequences of their choice as well. Make a good choice and succeed. Make a bad choice and fail. Isn't that what freedom and liberty is all about? Do you not support freedom and liberty?
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Post by NoMoreLunacy on Jun 17, 2011 9:32:59 GMT -5
So FY, if an uninsured person who can't afford to pay goes to ER with head trauma, you would turn him/her back and let him/her die in the name of freedom and liberty?
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Post by swamp on Jun 17, 2011 9:34:27 GMT -5
So, floridayankee, do you have motorcycle insurance? Why have it? Just so someone else like me who rarely drives can pay when you are injured? I was wondering where you were going with this. Of course I have motorcycle insurance.....by choice. Since you're not required to buy auto insurance, you wouldn't be forced to pay for an accident I might be involved in. If you choose to drive and if you choose to purchase insurance, you're exercising your freedom to make a choice. FL doesn't require you to carry auto insurance?! Really?! NY requires it, and if you're convicted of operating without insurance, your license is revoked for 1 year, you can't get a hardship license, and you have to pay $750 to DMV so you can get your license back. If your registration on your car is suspended because of no insurance, the cops confiscate your plates right there and the car gets impounded.
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Post by NoMoreLunacy on Jun 17, 2011 9:36:50 GMT -5
I was wondering where you were going with this. Of course I have motorcycle insurance.....by choice. Since you're not required to buy auto insurance, you wouldn't be forced to pay for an accident I might be involved in. If you choose to drive and if you choose to purchase insurance, you're exercising your freedom to make a choice. FL doesn't require you to carry auto insurance?! Really?! NY requires it, and if you're convicted of operating without insurance, your license is revoked for 1 year, you can't get a hardship license, and you have to pay $750 to DMV so you can get your license back. If your registration on your car is suspended because of no insurance, the cops confiscate your plates right there and the car gets impounded. Florida does require vehicle insurance. FY was generally BS'ing.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2011 9:39:22 GMT -5
I know PA requires auto insurance.
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Post by floridayankee on Jun 17, 2011 9:39:41 GMT -5
You might as well be saying you don't think that insurance should exist. No, that's not what I'm saying. When you choose to jump into "the pool" you do so with the knowledge that you may be paying for the loss of others. When you do not have that choice, you're now being sharing that risk by force. IMHO, forcing an individual to share somebody else's risk is wrong. Again, you are not forced to share in the cost of someone else's accident because you are not forced to purchase auto insurance.
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Post by floridayankee on Jun 17, 2011 9:41:26 GMT -5
FL doesn't require you to carry auto insurance?! Only if you choose to drive. ETA: Insurance is not required for motorcycles.
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Post by NoMoreLunacy on Jun 17, 2011 9:52:11 GMT -5
So, Obamacare requires to have medical insurance only if you choose to live. You happy now, FY?
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