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Post by cme1201 on Jun 16, 2011 20:31:40 GMT -5
Very intelligent response, I applaud your deep insight.
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Post by NoMoreLunacy on Jun 16, 2011 20:33:35 GMT -5
Very intelligent response, I applaud your deep insight. Well, make some insightful comments about how to improve the living conditions of the working poor in the USA, instead of just repeating that they have to live within a budget, and I will respond in kind.
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Post by cme1201 on Jun 16, 2011 20:42:47 GMT -5
Very intelligent response, I applaud your deep insight. Well, make some insightful comments about how to improve the living conditions of the working poor in the USA, instead of just repeating that they have to live within a budget, and I will respond in kind. I have personally helped. I can not change the situation, what I would like to see all troops withdrawn from foreign bases and those bases closed, I would like to see all foreign aid stopped, the billions in food aid we send to other countries diverted to food shelters, I would like to see our military and Army Corp of Engineers stationed on our land borders, creating a safe country with 1. force and 2. walls. I would like to see our immigration system shut down for 5 years, no one coming in, until such time as all expired visa holders are rounded up and removed. Doing these few simple things would help the poor of our country immensely, yet no politician R,D,I have ever discussed them.
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Post by hello fromWarsaw on Jun 16, 2011 20:54:36 GMT -5
$35 was a good joke. I just wanted to go back to 1968, when we actually had a fair minimum wage, before So. Cal Pubs ruined the country
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Post by deziloooooo on Jun 16, 2011 21:10:19 GMT -5
healthy one day then ZAP..the next day..major problems..and that is how it can happen, you know that. One day you fall off a ladder. Next you know you are abusing Medicaid. So much talk here when Government looks out for their people like it is something new..I believe , and I am a bit hazy here..but who was it, Joseph..back in the day, went into Egypt and suggested to Pharaoh , after getting the lay of the land and the happenings there, to build grain Silo's and 1/7 of the harvest was to be put into them for storage, to open before authorized would be a death sentence so when the bad times came, crop failures, the people would not starve to death, the society would be able to flourish and not break apart. Since Pharaoh and his gang would always have enough to eat, they had the chariots, soldiers, the guns of the day and the power, it wasn't for them these silos were built and guarded, it was for the little people, the most helpless..just some thing nations do. So what we do is the same thing..we are a major power, a sophisticated and caring people and for most of us , we have a caring for our fellow man, citizens, well most of us do anyway. Then there are some, belong to this place called Pro Boards, Money Board Refugees so many here , not all but afraid so many, seem to have a different view on things..luckily no one really listens to them, they are dismissed by the majority out there as just strange, selfish and non caring beings, hard to really understand, most out siders have given up trying to, but they are to insignificant to matter in the scheme of things so of no importance.
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Post by NoMoreLunacy on Jun 16, 2011 21:13:46 GMT -5
Cme, how exactly would your recommendations help the poor?
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Post by cme1201 on Jun 16, 2011 22:01:04 GMT -5
1. Focusing more of our money here instead of bases and economies abroad 2. Distributing food to food banks food shelters providing food full bellies make it easier to feel better about yourself amking it easier to see yourself as having worth. 3. Closing the influx of imigrants, both leagl and illegal, open job opportunities for citizens, allowing the able to climb higher which opens entry level jobs to the poor.
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Post by NoMoreLunacy on Jun 16, 2011 22:05:37 GMT -5
What are you going to spend the money on? Your only idea is shelters. How does that help the working poor? What makes you think conservatives wouldn't want that money to go to tax cuts? Finally, we are not talking unemployment here. We are talking about low wages. What makes you think businesses will give higher wages when there are no immigrants? You already said that businesses give what they can afford.
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Post by deziloooooo on Jun 16, 2011 22:48:29 GMT -5
Well, make some insightful comments about how to improve the living conditions of the working poor in the USA, instead of just repeating that they have to live within a budget, and I will respond in kind. I have personally helped. I can not change the situation, what I would like to see all troops withdrawn from foreign bases and those bases closed, I would like to see all foreign aid stopped, the billions in food aid we send to other countries diverted to food shelters, I would like to see our military and Army Corp of Engineers stationed on our land borders, creating a safe country with 1. force and 2. walls. I would like to see our immigration system shut down for 5 years, no one coming in, until such time as all expired visa holders are rounded up and removed. Doing these few simple things would help the poor of our country immensely, yet no politician R,D,I have ever discussed them. Believe China, South korea, Japan, Singapore..even Europeon countries..many would love to see that..and when we finally peaked around the corners of those walls we will have found us as a second rate power..left far behind, never again to catch up, our influence basically over , and at times, doing a lot of bowing and saying to our betters, yes sir, no sir, what ever you will like sir..
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Post by NoMoreLunacy on Jun 16, 2011 22:51:00 GMT -5
And, last but not least, may I have another one, Sir?
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Post by NoMoreLunacy on Jun 16, 2011 23:50:44 GMT -5
I am off to bed. Once again, I am proud that a conservative took a handout without any shame. That's what liberals have put in place, so that conservatives have a social safety net.
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Post by BeenThere...DoneThat... on Jun 16, 2011 23:54:24 GMT -5
I am off to bed. Once again, I am proud that a conservative took a handout without any shame. That's what liberals have put in place, so that conservatives have a social safety net. ...good night... but how you read that OP felt no shame in accepting this help, I'll never know...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2011 7:05:40 GMT -5
Even better... conservative/religious guilt... the savior of all hypocrits... I hate this, its wrong, i wish it would end tomorrow... I resent the fact that I need it, and in needing it prove the idea that this is a necessary program.... but i'll use it anyway... and still badmouth it... cause its wrong, and i hate it...
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Post by floridayankee on Jun 17, 2011 7:12:26 GMT -5
Yes they are...by requiring me to buy health insurance (or pay a penalty if I don't), you're requiring me to pay for someone's health care. That's what insurance does....the healthy pay for the unhealthy. Well now that isn't quite the same as depleting your assets is it? I suppose a better term would have been to say "reduce" no? de·ple·tion (d-plshn) n. 1. The act or process of depleting. 2. The state of being depleted; exhaustion. 3. The use or consumption of a resource, especially a natural resource, faster than it is replenished. Depleting is reducing, no?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2011 7:15:25 GMT -5
Only at a rate faster than it is being replenished.
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Post by floridayankee on Jun 17, 2011 7:19:15 GMT -5
healthy one day then ZAP..the next day..major problems..and that is how it can happen, you know that. Of course I know that. I ride a motorcycle and could end up biting the pavement at any time. But, I have no problem using my assets to pay for it. Should I demand everybody else pay for it so I can keep all my stuff or does it make more sense that I use my stuff before even considering asking for help?
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Post by floridayankee on Jun 17, 2011 7:28:03 GMT -5
Only at a rate faster than it is being replenished. Wouldn't increasing insurance rates on a flat wage constitute depleting?
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Post by mmhmm on Jun 17, 2011 7:56:08 GMT -5
I don't know about the rest of you, but we have someone right here among us who has been impacted by the lack of medical insurance in the presence of severe injury. I'm more than happy to pay to see that people like that get the help they need. I'm not worried about my freaking assets in a situation like that! I've got one heck of a lot more than she does at the moment, and I'm not severely injured so I cannot further my collection of assets. There is no reason on earth that a severely injured person should have to feel shame because they need treatment and can't afford to get that treatment. There's no excuse for them having to wait until real damage may have been done because they feel guilty, or are too proud to ask for help. With obvious severe injury, or illness, that person shouldn't have to ask for help. It should have been there from the beginning and gone into effect automatically. That's how we keep people well and productive.
We don't have a problem with seeing these folks in the ER for stabilization, but the ER isn't equipped to offer follow-up care, which is what was needed here. They don't have rehab facilities and they don't have the ability to offer continuing care to ensure injuries don't compound themselves. As a health care worker myself, I know quite well what can happen when treatment isn't available, or is prolonged due to lack of funds. That, to me, in a civilized society, is unconscionable.
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Post by NoMoreLunacy on Jun 17, 2011 8:08:41 GMT -5
I am off to bed. Once again, I am proud that a conservative took a handout without any shame. That's what liberals have put in place, so that conservatives have a social safety net. ...good night... but how you read that OP felt no shame in accepting this help, I'll never know... It's like Weiner talking about shame, you know? Actions speak louder than words.
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Post by NoMoreLunacy on Jun 17, 2011 8:09:43 GMT -5
Even better... conservative/religious guilt... the savior of all hypocrits... I hate this, its wrong, i wish it would end tomorrow... I resent the fact that I need it, and in needing it prove the idea that this is a necessary program.... but i'll use it anyway... and still badmouth it... cause its wrong, and i hate it... Are we taking about Medicaid or homosexuality here?
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Post by NoMoreLunacy on Jun 17, 2011 8:10:54 GMT -5
healthy one day then ZAP..the next day..major problems..and that is how it can happen, you know that. Of course I know that. I ride a motorcycle and could end up biting the pavement at any time. But, I have no problem using my assets to pay for it. Should I demand everybody else pay for it so I can keep all my stuff or does it make more sense that I use my stuff before even considering asking for help? Do you have motorcycle insurance?
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Post by NoMoreLunacy on Jun 17, 2011 8:12:13 GMT -5
I don't know about the rest of you, but we have someone right here among us who has been impacted by the lack of medical insurance in the presence of severe injury. I'm more than happy to pay to see that people like that get the help they need. I'm not worried about my freaking assets in a situation like that! I've got one heck of a lot more than she does at the moment, and I'm not severely injured so I cannot further my collection of assets. There is no reason on earth that a severely injured person should have to feel shame because they need treatment and can't afford to get that treatment. There's no excuse for them having to wait until real damage may have been done because they feel guilty, or are too proud to ask for help. With obvious severe injury, or illness, that person shouldn't have to ask for help. It should have been there from the beginning and gone into effect automatically. That's how we keep people well and productive. We don't have a problem with seeing these folks in the ER for stabilization, but the ER isn't equipped to offer follow-up care, which is what was needed here. They don't have rehab facilities and they don't have the ability to offer continuing care to ensure injuries don't compound themselves. As a health care worker myself, I know quite well what can happen when treatment isn't available, or is prolonged due to lack of funds. That, to me, in a civilized society, is unconscionable. What about personal responsibility?
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Post by NoMoreLunacy on Jun 17, 2011 8:13:09 GMT -5
Only at a rate faster than it is being replenished. Wouldn't increasing insurance rates on a flat wage constitute depleting? Why is your wage flat? Do you not have a personal responsibility to better yourself?
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Post by floridayankee on Jun 17, 2011 8:31:47 GMT -5
I don't know about the rest of you, but we have someone right here among us who has been impacted by the lack of medical insurance in the presence of severe injury. I'm more than happy to pay to see that people like that get the help they need. I'm not worried about my freaking assets in a situation like that! I've got one heck of a lot more than she does at the moment, and I'm not severely injured so I cannot further my collection of assets. Don't get me wrong mmhm....I have no problem helping those in need. At least two posters on this thread expressed the thought that people shouldn't have to deplete their assets before they get help. IE: Let everyone else pay for their care so they can keep their stuff. I'm sorry, but that's total bullshit that people think that I should be forced to use my assets to care for them so they can keep theirs. They want to spend my money rather than their own...and I'm the greedy one.
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Post by NoMoreLunacy on Jun 17, 2011 8:33:02 GMT -5
So, floridayankee, do you have motorcycle insurance? Why have it? Just so someone else like me who rarely drives can pay when you are injured?
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Post by mmhmm on Jun 17, 2011 8:39:29 GMT -5
Frankly, florida yankee, I don't think people like krickitt want to spend your assets instead of their own. I think they'd love to be able NOT to do that. The fact is, however, they don't have any assets. Do I want to support malingerers? Oh, hell, NO! I do, however, want to be absolutely positive that people like krickitt don't fall by the wayside in an effort to keep the malingers from gaining something to which they're not entitled. That's throwing the baby out with the bathwater. Better to spend the money upfront to get rid of those malingerers through close scrutiny and decisive action when fraud is discovered. That takes a large team of people and that takes money. I'm willing to pay to get that done, just as I'm willing to pay to get people like krickitt served before they end up possibly crippled for life. To me, it's a no-brainer.
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Post by NoMoreLunacy on Jun 17, 2011 8:43:06 GMT -5
Frankly, florida yankee, I don't think people like krickitt want to spend your assets instead of their own. I think they'd love to be able NOT to do that. The fact is, however, they don't have any assets. Do I want to support malingerers? Oh, hell, NO! I do, however, want to be absolutely positive that people like krickitt don't fall by the wayside in an effort to keep the malingers from gaining something to which they're not entitled. That's throwing the baby out with the bathwater. Better to spend the money upfront to get rid of those malingerers through close scrutiny and decisive action when fraud is discovered. That takes a large team of people and that takes money. I'm willing to pay to get that done, just as I'm willing to pay to get people like krickitt served before they end up possibly crippled for life. To me, it's a no-brainer. Yeah, let's create a huge red tape to scrutinize whether someone is a fraud as they lie bleeding in the ER. That's the Republican response to health care. Create more bureaucracy.
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Post by floridayankee on Jun 17, 2011 8:43:11 GMT -5
So, floridayankee, do you have motorcycle insurance? Why have it? Just so someone else like me who rarely drives can pay when you are injured? I was wondering where you were going with this. Of course I have motorcycle insurance.....by choice. Since you're not required to buy auto insurance, you wouldn't be forced to pay for an accident I might be involved in. If you choose to drive and if you choose to purchase insurance, you're exercising your freedom to make a choice.
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Post by NoMoreLunacy on Jun 17, 2011 8:44:29 GMT -5
So, floridayankee, do you have motorcycle insurance? Why have it? Just so someone else like me who rarely drives can pay when you are injured? I was wondering where you were going with this. Of course I have motorcycle insurance.....by choice. Since you're not required to buy auto insurance, you wouldn't be forced to pay for an accident I might be involved in. If you choose to drive and if you choose to purchase insurance, you're exercising your freedom to make a choice. Do you currently have health insurance?
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Post by floridayankee on Jun 17, 2011 8:49:18 GMT -5
Frankly, florida yankee, I don't think people like krickitt want to spend your assets instead of their own. I wasn't implying krickitt. I'm not mentioning names, but go back to page 1 to see what I was responding to. Oh, the drama. Even before obamacare, there was no means testing in the ER. Keep doing that liberal twist.
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