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Post by reasonfreedom on Jun 16, 2011 15:12:08 GMT -5
Correct. All Obamacare will do is create a higher class of welfare. I don't see the logic in this statement. Perhaps you could explain to me how people who have something they did not have before will continue to cheat to have something they already have? More advertised and easier access. Now the people that were to stupid to know how to get free health care will know how?
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Post by floridayankee on Jun 16, 2011 15:17:45 GMT -5
Except that nobody is asking or telling you that you will need to deplete your personal assets for others to get healthcare. Yes they are...by requiring me to buy health insurance (or pay a penalty if I don't), you're requiring me to pay for someone's health care. That's what insurance does....the healthy pay for the unhealthy.
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Post by cereb on Jun 16, 2011 15:22:32 GMT -5
Except that nobody is asking or telling you that you will need to deplete your personal assets for others to get healthcare. Yes they are...by requiring me to buy health insurance (or pay a penalty if I don't), you're requiring me to pay for someone's health care. That's what insurance does....the healthy pay for the unhealthy. Well now that isn't quite the same as depleting your assets is it? I suppose a better term would have been to say "reduce" no?
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Post by The Virginian on Jun 16, 2011 15:36:14 GMT -5
After reading this Thread I have one question.. Does Obama Care include Mental Help?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2011 15:45:01 GMT -5
I wouldn't say STUPID, actually.. of course, there is that, but much more is that 40,000,000 more people will now have access to medical that were doing without before-- like me. But, unlike me, a lot of those 40,000,000 will abuse it. I've had a few scary things, illnesses, where I would probably have gone to the doctor if I had insurance, but I didn't because I don't have insurance. Each of those passed without incident.. this isn't rocket science. If people have it they will use it. Contrary to popular belief, the working poor not on welfare do not run to the ER every time they cough. We just stay home and work through it. Do the math on that. And, yes, subsidized Obamacare IS taking one man's money and giving it to another for their healthcare-- just like welfare.
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Post by hello fromWarsaw on Jun 16, 2011 15:47:59 GMT -5
It will be cheaper because ER care is the most expensive possible, and everyone will have preventive care (MD advice to lose weight and stop smoking works, etc, nitwits), and NO ONE will have to go on welfare to get care, or go BANKRUPT... 50% of USA doesn't like health reform, 70% admit they don't understand it, and 15% think they understand it and are HIGHLY misled ;D. I'm part of the 15% who DO understand it...tyvm
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Post by bubblyandblue on Jun 16, 2011 15:51:00 GMT -5
I don't see how the private model differs from the public model - I do see Obama Care as creating a private monopoly and that will guarantee high prices. Explain difference between now and Obama care - follow the money please and explain?
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Post by hello fromWarsaw on Jun 16, 2011 15:52:21 GMT -5
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Post by hello fromWarsaw on Jun 16, 2011 17:44:02 GMT -5
No, Obamacare will guarantee lower prices and guaranteed care, and will get better over time. So many people misled by bought off pubs and the big lie propaganda machine
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Post by cereb on Jun 16, 2011 17:50:10 GMT -5
"But, unlike me, a lot of those 40,000,000 will abuse it"
Is it just me?.
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Post by Value Buy on Jun 16, 2011 18:20:30 GMT -5
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Post by hello fromWarsaw on Jun 16, 2011 18:27:18 GMT -5
Interminable snoring is an idiotic non contribution and should be filtered. Very fitting.
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Post by hello fromWarsaw on Jun 16, 2011 18:28:13 GMT -5
GD anarchist canucks!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2011 18:30:15 GMT -5
Correct. All Obamacare will do is create a higher class of welfare. Which class of welfare are you currently partaking of?
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Post by hello fromWarsaw on Jun 16, 2011 18:55:19 GMT -5
Actually, K, that just doesn't make any sense
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Post by NoMoreLunacy on Jun 16, 2011 19:34:56 GMT -5
40,000,000 more people will now have access to medical that were doing without before-- like me. But, unlike me, a lot of those 40,000,000 will abuse it.
How do we know that you are not abusing it?
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Post by NoMoreLunacy on Jun 16, 2011 19:36:09 GMT -5
Correct. All Obamacare will do is create a higher class of welfare.
As opposed to the lower class of welfare that you just took advantage of?
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Post by NoMoreLunacy on Jun 16, 2011 19:38:07 GMT -5
Well now that isn't quite the same as depleting your assets is it? I suppose a better term would have been to say "reduce" no?
May be he makes very little to nothing (and already qualifies for welfare)?
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Post by NoMoreLunacy on Jun 16, 2011 19:43:17 GMT -5
time to work on a living wage to get people off food stampsFor the 102nd Time what monetary figure makes a living wage? What should a burger flipper make? What should a bus boy make? what should a cashier make? What dollar figure would you place on just these 3 jobs hello fromWarsaw? $35/hour.
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Post by NoMoreLunacy on Jun 16, 2011 19:45:54 GMT -5
I have worried quite a lot about what would happen to me if something bad happened. Now I know. You get state medical if you have no income and no big stash of money.
Once a conservative has tasted blood, or the free support from social safety net, there is no keeping the conservative back. She will keep asking for more cuts - but for everyone but herself - as she is not abusing the welfare, but everyone else is.
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Post by deziloooooo on Jun 16, 2011 20:06:44 GMT -5
Except that nobody is asking or telling you that you will need to deplete your personal assets for others to get healthcare. Yes they are...by requiring me to buy health insurance (or pay a penalty if I don't), you're requiring me to pay for someone's health care. That's what insurance does....the healthy pay for the unhealthy. healthy one day then ZAP..the next day..major problems..and that is how it can happen, you know that.
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Post by cme1201 on Jun 16, 2011 20:08:54 GMT -5
time to work on a living wage to get people off food stampsFor the 102nd Time what monetary figure makes a living wage? What should a burger flipper make? What should a bus boy make? what should a cashier make? What dollar figure would you place on just these 3 jobs hello fromWarsaw? $35/hour. I'll go with Warsaw's 10.50 as 35 hour for said job would be beyond ridiculous. If I as a small business owner have to double the salary of the lowest level worker, I have 1 of 3 options to deal with rising labor costs. The following is my example only. It applies to small business with less than 30 emplyee'sOption 1. I am able to absorb the labor cost having 10 employee's means I am absorbing an additional 32.50 increase per hour. Best case scenario, would assume I am sitting on cash that allows room for growth. Is not financially sustainable Option 2. I have to raise prices. If the quantity of widgets I sell remains constant and I am unable to increase the amount of widgets I sell the I must adjust price of widgets to cover the increased cost of labor. This is a medium case scenario, as long as the price increase of widgets does not affect sells, is self sustaining, if price of widgets are more than folks are willing to pay sells decrease. Option 3. Because of either declining sales or inability for market to absorb a price increase, I lay 2 people off and move one person to a part time position to counter act the increased labor cost. This is a worst case scenario, it is the most financially sustaining model for absorbing the costs associated with labor increases. *For a business to absorb 32.5 labor dollars an hour they would need to divert $5600 per month to cover 10 emplyee's 40 hours per week, this is why I say it is unsustanable. edited: for some reason it posted before I was finished.
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Post by NoMoreLunacy on Jun 16, 2011 20:10:42 GMT -5
And whose problem is that? What about some personal responsibility and running a business with the cost structure that is provided to you?
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Post by NoMoreLunacy on Jun 16, 2011 20:11:51 GMT -5
healthy one day then ZAP..the next day..major problems..and that is how it can happen, you know that.
One day you fall off a ladder. Next you know you are abusing Medicaid.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2011 20:12:49 GMT -5
31.50 an hour minimum wage would only result in massive inflation. Its not realistic, and would not be successful in doing what you desire/anticipate...
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Post by cme1201 on Jun 16, 2011 20:14:34 GMT -5
And whose problem is that? What about some personal responsibility and running a business with the cost structure that is provided to you? Excuse me? Is that even rational. If labor costs rise then I must make certain choices to deal with the rise, morally I must do what is in the best interest of the company not the employee.
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Post by NoMoreLunacy on Jun 16, 2011 20:14:47 GMT -5
31.50 an hour minimum wage would only result in massive inflation. Its not realistic, and would not be successful in doing what you desire/anticipate... I was just getting tired of the repeated whining about no one posting the exact amount of living wage so I just posted it to end the discussion.
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Post by NoMoreLunacy on Jun 16, 2011 20:16:20 GMT -5
And whose problem is that? What about some personal responsibility and running a business with the cost structure that is provided to you? Excuse me? Is that even rational. If labor costs rise then I must make certain choices to deal with the rise, morally I must do what is in the best interest of the company not the employee. And when wages drop workers have to morally do what is best for themselves, which is unionize and put political pressure to make $35 the minimum wage. You have a lot of problem with that. Yet you think your own selfishness is hunky dory. Why should workers care what is in the best interest of the company if the company doesn't care about what is in the best interest of the worker? It's a two way street.
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Post by cme1201 on Jun 16, 2011 20:27:58 GMT -5
Excuse me? Is that even rational. If labor costs rise then I must make certain choices to deal with the rise, morally I must do what is in the best interest of the company not the employee. And when wages drop workers have to morally do what is best for themselves, which is unionize and put political pressure to make $35 the minimum wage. You have a lot of problem with that. Yet you think your own selfishness is hunky dory. Why should workers care what is in the best interest of the company if the company doesn't care about what is in the best interest of the worker? It's a two way street. My selfishness, where do I show selfishness? Where have I stated that I expect workers to do what's in the best interest of the business? I don't have issues with Unions, I have issues with Governmental Unions, Unions represent 6.9% of the private workforce yet 36.2% of governmental workers. Learning to work in a budget is essential for owning a business, if you cannot cover costs you must take the most dynamic approach to keep the business running.
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Post by NoMoreLunacy on Jun 16, 2011 20:29:31 GMT -5
So do it instead of complaining about high wages.
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