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Post by burnsattornincan on Jun 16, 2011 10:35:49 GMT -5
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Post by skeeter on Jun 16, 2011 11:26:32 GMT -5
Krickitt, I don't post very often but have been following your progress since your accident and just wanted to say I'm very glad you were able to find an understanding doctor and that your injuries appear to be healing.
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Post by deziloooooo on Jun 16, 2011 12:01:21 GMT -5
Deal IS, mighty cereb-- I have been told for awhile now that people like me will DIE without Obamacare. That is a LIE!!!!!!!!!!!! I am so sorry I had to test the system, but I did.. OBAMACARE is a LIE!!!! First things first..glad you finally got medical help..glad you got accepted into the State program that you did, and they didn't have to accept you..could have said you didn't qualify , for what ever way you didn't qualify, each State has different programs, different qualifications that change as the governmens change, the finance change. Florida right now for example great cuts..in fact and I was told , don't believe it but was told yesterday they have shut off unmployment..if one is legitimatly laid off, would normally qualify for unemployment, the normal 26 weeks of..nothing to do with extensions, they , State, are taking no applications for..you just don't get it , unemployment. Not sure if it's correct, didn't think they could do that but possible?? As far as the Doctors being professional or not, you thought he would scream at you, give you a one , two, three out the door you go? As far as Obamacare, as you have been wrong so much on your rantings on this being part of medical care, being on State aid..so proud not to at least apply, how many of us told you different..but to listen and think others might be correct, you being wrong...oh no, not me..being wrong. Possible Obama care isn't the bug a boo you think it is, because those who you like hearing from on the media say it's bad...just possible a non expert like say me who has told you how many times , you in your situation, ther are no secrets being given here, you your self have laid out your life in great detail here and elsewhere on other public boards so few secrets are there..for you to be against Obama care for your self and possible your family if they are now not covered, believe your daughter was not covered recently. thousands in ER charges, to not support Obama care for your self and others in the family and to bad mouth it..all because some talking head you admire says it's bad..just didn't compute to me..it's a program almost tailored made for folks like you.,.even if can't afford to pay your share, there is a program to handle that..no more ER visits..your own Doctor..yet here you are still bad mouthing Obamacare, even though you and I still aren't sure of how it will specifically affect us. Well you keep doing it, I know , I know "Freedon Of Speech ".. ;D but I AM GLAD you finally got good care and why not take real advantage and have a good Physical while your at it, it's probably been years.
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Post by reasonfreedom on Jun 16, 2011 12:01:57 GMT -5
See,that just proves healthcare is free and no one has to pay for it. Everyone in the US already has healthcare. I don't have health care and I tried getting it for free, didn't work. If it was free for everybody doctors wouldn't get payed.
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Post by reasonfreedom on Jun 16, 2011 12:04:56 GMT -5
Deal IS, mighty cereb-- I have been told for awhile now that people like me will DIE without Obamacare. That is a LIE!!!!!!!!!!!! I am so sorry I had to test the system, but I did.. OBAMACARE is a LIE!!!! First things first..glad you finally got medical help..glad you got accepted into the State program that you did, and they didn't have to accept you..could have said you didn't qualify , for what ever way you didn't qualify, each State has different programs, different qualifications that change as the governmens change, the finance change. Florida right now for example great cuts..in fact and I was told , don't believe it but was told yesterday they have shut off unmployment..if one is legitimatly laid off, would normally qualify for unemployment, the normal 26 weeks of..nothing to do with extensions, they , State, are taking no applications for..you just don't get it , unemployment. Not sure if it's correct, didn't think they could do that but possible?? As far as the Doctors being professional or not, you thought he would scream at you, give you a one , two, three out the door you go? As far as Obamacare, as you have been wrong so much on your rantings on this being part of medical care, being on State aid..so proud not to at least apply, how many of us told you different..but to listen and think others might be correct, you being wrong...oh no, not me..being wrong. Possible Obama care isn't the bug a boo you think it is, because those who you like hearing from on the media say it's bad...just possible a non expert like say me who has told you how many times , you in your situation, ther are no secrets being given here, you your self have laid out your life in great detail here and elsewhere on other public boards so few secrets are there..for you to be against Obama care for your self and possible your family if they are now not covered, believe your daughter was not covered recently. thousands in ER charges, to not support Obama care for your self and others in the family and to bad mouth it..all because some talking head you admire says it's bad..just didn't compute to me..it's a program almost tailored made for folks like you.,.even if can't afford to pay your share, there is a program to handle that..no more ER visits..your own Doctor..yet here you are still bad mouthing Obamacare, even though you and I still aren't sure of how it will specifically affect us. Well you keep doing it, I know , I know "Freedon Of Speech ".. ;D but I AM GLAD you finally got good care and why not take real advantage and have a good Physical while your at it, it's probably been years. OMG, /z{6,}|z{3,}\.{4,}/i/z{6,}|z{3,}\.{4,}/i/z{6,}|z{3,}\.{4,}/i/z{6,}|z{3,}\.{4,}/i/z{6,}|z{3,}\.{4,}/i/z{6,}|z{3,}\.{4,}/i/z{6,}|z{3,}\.{4,}/i/z{6,}|z{3,}\.{4,}/i/z{6,}|z{3,}\.{4,}/i/z{6,}|z{3,}\.{4,}/i/z{6,}|z{3,}\.{4,}/i/z{6,}|z{3,}\.{4,}/i/z{6,}|z{3,}\.{4,}/i/z{6,}|z{3,}\.{4,}/i/z{6,}|z{3,}\.{4,}/i Now that was funny Virgil
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Post by cme1201 on Jun 16, 2011 12:16:29 GMT -5
[q]Florida right now for example great cuts..in fact and I was told , don't believe it but was told yesterday they have shut off unmployment..if one is legitimatly laid off, would normally qualify for unemployment, the normal 26 weeks of..nothing to do with extensions, they , State, are taking no applications for..you just don't get it , unemployment[/q]
Nothing I can find in the state records nor in any journalistic sites back up this claim.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Jun 16, 2011 12:34:34 GMT -5
The issue was you ignoring a cease and desist order with your ridiculous z's. I put the filter in for your benefit, since the only other way to deal with a poster who ignores C&D orders is to ban them.
Perhaps my attempt at 'coercive moderation' was misguided. At any rate, the filter is out and you're now at the mercy of the PM mods if you pull another Rip van Winkle act.
Reason: the string is a regular expression. Google it.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2011 12:41:26 GMT -5
The deal is.. I've been listening for over 2 years now to people saying if you get hurt or sick, whatever, in this country there is no help, and we HAVE to have Obamacare to fix this. I've also seen headlines about Gov. Jan Brewer cutting hundreds of thousands from Medicaid, and everybody is going to DIE!!!!!!!!!!!! I've been uninsured for a long time now, since my divorce, AND have been a hard worker that did not qualify for anything free. Driving my cab all these years, doing contract work with the state Medicaid plan I saw SO much abuse.. incredible, everything from people with several cars in their driveway getting free transportation ( a violation of transport rules), to punks going to the ER in the middle of the night to get "pain" pills, then listening to them sell them on their cell phones all the way home, to people with 3 wild, bouncy kids with runny noses going to the ER to "get checked out". Made me sick. I supported my Gov when she made deep cuts, streamlined state services and vowed to eliminate waste and abuse--- while the headlines SCREAMED that Gov. Brewer was taking away medical from poor people and they would all DIEEEE!!!!! Transportation shrunk to only the old, disabled, really sick or needy-- the rest got bus passes in the form of vouchers for medical transport. (I bet most of them just used their own cars and gas at that point.) Last year I found through the county health dept a well woman check up that ANYONE without health insurance qualifies for, no income guidelines or qualifying . It's been there for years, and also does family planning type of stuff.. no abortions!! I found that every time I got sick, if I was smart, looked on the internet for help, used home remedies, etc-- I always got well. Viruses go away. I have worried quite a lot about what would happen to me if something bad happened. Now I know. You get state medical if you have no income and no big stash of money. It is also a lie that you can't own a home or vehicle.. I looked it up. They do NOT take your home, your car, nothing like that. Yes, it took me a long time to get the help, because I did not ask for it.. pride.. but the state of AZ came looking for me with the offer to help. Even then I resisted until I got scared, several more weeks. Looking on the internet I have found that I could have gotten this help in weeks, not months, if I had applied for it. My point IS--- why do we HAVE to have Obamacare when there ARE programs already to help people? WHY do we have to give 40,000,000 people the right to go to the ER.. which they will.. doctors are hard to get in to see these days.. when they have a cold and do NOT need medical care?? 40,000,000 new people with easy access to medical, that are surviving just fine without it, just like I have done for the last many years.. 40,000,000 now on tons of drugs.. which they are doing just fine without now, just like me. It is going to wipe this country out. People love to hate AZ, a conservative state, but-- gee, Gov Brewer did not send out an order for me to die, did she? On the contrary, my ER bills alerted the state to my need, and they came and found me to help me. SO-- why do we HAVE to have Obamacare again? That's all I'm saying..
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2011 12:46:53 GMT -5
Sorry for tripping the code. I live in AZ, and use lots of .. I post more like thinking, rather than composing. It's kind of funny now that I know what happened, but it freaked me out yesterday because I had no idea why the stuff popped up in my post.. Burns, I hope you don't fall asleep any more. I would hate for you to get banned. I didn't mean to cause trouble, it was just so... creepy weird..
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Post by deziloooooo on Jun 16, 2011 13:07:36 GMT -5
[q]Florida right now for example great cuts..in fact and I was told , don't believe it but was told yesterday they have shut off unmployment..if one is legitimatly laid off, would normally qualify for unemployment, the normal 26 weeks of..nothing to do with extensions, they , State, are taking no applications for..you just don't get it , unemployment[/q] Nothing I can find in the state records nor in any journalistic sites back up this claim. CME..I ddin't google it, didn't think it was possible because businesses pay into that fund..and as more of their employees file, their contributions increase, but person who told me was adament..so while still shaking my head , but thionking, who knows.. However we have cut so much here, new governors Poll #'s are something like 38 % acceptable , been in office six months?? Wow..think Obama 's took longer to get that low.. I am glad you found nothing..but in todays climate, if true, I wouldn't be surprised.
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Post by cme1201 on Jun 16, 2011 13:20:14 GMT -5
It's okay Dezilooooo, we all expect to see a bit of fear-mongering, Actually the last poll I saw had Scott at a 57% disapproval rating and only a 29% approval rating the remaining 14% were undecided.
As much as he has had to turn our economy, it's going to piss people off to face cuts that needed to be made, in 3 1/2 years if he hasn't turned us around he will go out the door, which I doubt will happen, 2009 Budget was balanced because of stimulus money, 2010 budget was balanced using stimulus money, 2011 budget was balanced using targeted cuts, 2012 budget will be balanced with more cuts, 2013 Budget will be balanced by increasing state sales tax by 1/2 to 1 cent.
Time will tell how the state goes, and I believe we will be seeing an increase in businesses coming to Florida. Of course this is simply my opinion.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2011 13:23:10 GMT -5
I think people go nuts over "cuts" without realizing how much can be saved by cutting waste, abuse, and reorganizing how things are administered. There's TONS of money to be saved without hurting the people that need the programs.
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Post by hello fromWarsaw on Jun 16, 2011 13:31:43 GMT -5
Sure, people without insurance can get health care- all they have to do is lose all their income and assets. Medicaid people that you taxi'd- same thing- and you can be SURE THEY didn't own those cars or houses. The difference is that Obamacare WILL insure people with income and assets and won't MAKE them lose everything to get care, MUCH cheaper non ER care at that. Stupid arrogant myopic GD Republicans... and progressives don't have to leave because we're not flag waving, screwed-over-by-the-rich a-holes, morons
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Post by hello fromWarsaw on Jun 16, 2011 13:42:18 GMT -5
Obamacare also spends $10 billion for low cost clinics, so people won't go to the ER anymore, not to mention having their own doctors. Talk about stubborn. Read about it. and stop listening to bought off Pub talking heads...
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Post by deziloooooo on Jun 16, 2011 13:49:47 GMT -5
It's okay Dezilooooo, we all expect to see a bit of fear-mongering, Actually the last poll I saw had Scott at a 57% disapproval rating and only a 29% approval rating the remaining 14% were undecided. As much as he has had to turn our economy, it's going to piss people off to face cuts that needed to be made, in 3 1/2 years if he hasn't turned us around he will go out the door, which I doubt will happen, 2009 Budget was balanced because of stimulus money, 2010 budget was balanced using stimulus money, 2011 budget was balanced using targeted cuts, 2012 budget will be balanced with more cuts, 2013 Budget will be balanced by increasing state sales tax by 1/2 to 1 cent. Time will tell how the state goes, and I believe we will be seeing an increase in businesses coming to Florida. Of course this is simply my opinion. "Time will tell how the state goes, and I believe we will be seeing an increase in businesses coming to Florida. Of course this is simply my opinion" Thats his idea and I hope so, and if it does happen...good, possible i may give him my vote in 3 1/2 years.. If still here, Interesting fact is his own party legislatures, not happy with him..Dems I can understand. Lets face it, the Dems could stay home from Talahasee for as much influence they have now, save the State transportation and over night annd eating money. ;D Only thing the one who told me about it that he and I agree on...poor Marlins, a basket case now.[sigh]
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2011 13:51:40 GMT -5
Thx, skeeter-- missed you up there..
War-- you are wrong about the welfare cheats. I not only drove them, I talked to them, and some of them I had for long rides, hours sometimes. They told me how to jack the system.. they know how. I could have at any time while I was driving my cab, because they taught me how. Don't think for a minute that welfare abusers are not there, and do not have "things". They have more "things" than I do!
Okay, imagine this, people worried about the disintegration of the family, and money, and abuse... Mandate sets in-- two young people qualify for subsidized Obamacare-- cheap, if they get married they won't. They want to get married, have kids, etc. BUT-- it will cost them to get married. SO-- the only reason they would choose to get married is on principle, a fading thing in this country. So, they have the kids, do not ever get married, everybody keeps their free healthcare except maybe Dad as he climbs the ladder and makes more money. Mom and the rugrats get to keep the free medical, and the rugrats are sick constantly.. The kids HAVE a father, just not a legal father. Are they breaking any law?? No. Those kids will also qualify for free education through FAFSA, with Mom as sole custodian.. free college, even if Dad is making buckets of money by then, because the kids have no legal father, and sole custodian Mom is still in a low paying job.. Get it??
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Post by cereb on Jun 16, 2011 13:57:39 GMT -5
Thx, skeeter-- missed you up there.. War-- you are wrong about the welfare cheats. I not only drove them, I talked to them, and some of them I had for long rides, hours sometimes. They told me how to jack the system.. they know how. I could have at any time while I was driving my cab, because they taught me how. Don't think for a minute that welfare abusers are not there, and do not have "things". They have more "things" than I do! Okay, imagine this, people worried about the disintegration of the family, and money, and abuse... Mandate sets in-- two young people qualify for subsidized Obamacare-- cheap, if they get married they won't. They want to get married, have kids, etc. BUT-- it will cost them to get married. SO-- the only reason they would choose to get married is on principle, a fading thing in this country. So, they have the kids, do not ever get married, everybody keeps their free healthcare except maybe Dad as he climbs the ladder and makes more money. Mom and the rugrats get to keep the free medical, and the rugrats are sick constantly.. The kids HAVE a father, just not a legal father. Are they breaking any law?? No. Those kids will also qualify for free education through FAFSA, with Mom as sole custodian.. free college, even if Dad is making buckets of money by then, because the kids have no legal father, and sole custodian Mom is still in a low paying job.. Get it?? This is what is happening now.
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Post by reasonfreedom on Jun 16, 2011 14:05:10 GMT -5
The issue was you ignoring a cease and desist order with your ridiculous z's. I put the filter in for your benefit, since the only other way to deal with a poster who ignores C&D orders is to ban them. Perhaps my attempt at 'coercive moderation' was misguided. At any rate, the filter is out and you're now at the mercy of the PM mods if you pull another Rip van Winkle act. Reason: the string is a regular expression. Google it. Oh, I know it is Virgil. Was putting the string instead of z's, weird sense of humor I guess /sigh
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Post by hello fromWarsaw on Jun 16, 2011 14:07:01 GMT -5
Public colleges cost TWICE as much in 2008 as they did in 2000- thanks pubs-and the book prices and fees skyrocketed also. I'm all for more investigators, the first things that pubs cut- more penny wise sillines. People who don't believe in gov't shouldn't be allowed to run it...dumbest, most selfish party in the modern world .
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2011 14:09:18 GMT -5
And it will get worse with 40,000,000 more people in the game.. and they don't have to be on welfare to qualify, either. You can be a respectable working person way above poverty level and get free or VERY cheap Obamacare. I will go as far as saying MAYBE it will decrease welfare some, encourage people to work more hours or whatever without risking their healthcare. SO-- more tax dollars coming in then... possibly.. no, tax credits for children, refunds over the amount paid in.. I just can't see the money saving thing here. MAYBE get some off food stamps, but that income guideline is quite high, also, these days. All I see is more cost, not less. A LOT of things will have to change in all social programs to make this save money, and people will scream bloody murder if anyone even SUGGESTS messing with people on food stamps, etc.. then if they DO.. bang, people will cut their hours, whatever, AGAIN, to still qualify for their freebies. Let's face it-- people want something for nothing in this country, and they will do all kinds of bad things to get it.
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Post by hello fromWarsaw on Jun 16, 2011 14:18:58 GMT -5
After Obamacare, time to work on a living wage to get people off food stamps. One could argue it's the Reaganists, who got all these people working below poverty level jobs with no health care, that got us in this mess. (1968's min. wage today would be 10.50, what they pay in other modern countries...--why are WE the banana republic of modern countries? ) ;D
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Post by cme1201 on Jun 16, 2011 14:22:14 GMT -5
time to work on a living wage to get people off food stamps
For the 102nd Time what monetary figure makes a living wage?
What should a burger flipper make? What should a bus boy make? what should a cashier make? What dollar figure would you place on just these 3 jobs hello fromWarsaw?
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Post by hello fromWarsaw on Jun 16, 2011 14:28:32 GMT -5
Actually, people with an income over$1000 or so can't get any foodstamps... companies keep people part time to get the government involve in their pay (food stamps) and health care (medicaid)...THAT should end...
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Post by hello fromWarsaw on Jun 16, 2011 14:30:49 GMT -5
"For the 102nd Time what monetary figure makes a living wage? " Can you read?
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Post by reasonfreedom on Jun 16, 2011 14:32:53 GMT -5
One thing is why should you have to deplete all your assets to get medical care? Obamacare initially will cost more as many ill people will seek medical care. Overtime as people get in better health it will settle down. As for yourself, you got help but they will do help like that but if you have ongoing issues you might not be treated. In this state many considered able cannot get medicaid, there are certain guidelines here. Of course illegals get it all free, but that's another issue. I don't want to have to be considered indigent before getting care. Some of it just stabilizes too and that's it. Besides the repubs are ready to wipe it all out anyway and if they get their way they will. Nowadays medical care consists of treatment with prescription drugs. With the exception of antibiotics and a few others, prescription drugs does not cure the problem it just masks it. I call that pharmaceuticals getting fatter over time not people getting healthier.
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Post by hello fromWarsaw on Jun 16, 2011 14:35:00 GMT -5
I even say what a living wage is (1968's, before Nixon and the Reaganistas messed everything up pandering to the rich and misleading the careless)...but the misled are too quick in their kneejerk response to read that far...
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Post by floridayankee on Jun 16, 2011 14:51:05 GMT -5
One thing is why should you have to deplete all your assets to get medical care? Better question is why should I have to deplete my assets so you can get medical care? Just like welfare has taught more people to be responsible with their money? We're the worlds fattest country and you expect people to get healthier just because of Obamacare? If anything we'll get worse because suddenly more people are having others pay for their health care.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2011 15:00:59 GMT -5
Correct. All Obamacare will do is create a higher class of welfare.
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Post by cereb on Jun 16, 2011 15:03:36 GMT -5
One thing is why should you have to deplete all your assets to get medical care? Better question is why should I have to deplete my assets so you can get medical care? Just like welfare has taught more people to be responsible with their money? We're the worlds fattest country and you expect people to get healthier just because of Obamacare? If anything we'll get worse because suddenly more people are having others pay for their health care. Except that nobody is asking or telling you that you will need to deplete your personal assets for others to get healthcare.
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Post by cereb on Jun 16, 2011 15:06:39 GMT -5
Correct. All Obamacare will do is create a higher class of welfare. I don't see the logic in this statement. Perhaps you could explain to me how people who have something they did not have before will continue to cheat to have something they already have?
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