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Post by BeenThere...DoneThat... on Jun 17, 2011 17:22:17 GMT -5
...subsidizing people's healthcare is one method of socializing costs of a service that provides private gain... my "insights" include the belief that this is not appropriate methodology... I'll grant you that there is some public benefit for the containment/control of infectious diseases, but for the most part, we've already done that... so that argument no longer holds the same sway it once did... imo... But how do you deal with people showing up at the ERs that have no health insurance? They are still getting subsidized, only it is more indirect & more costly. ...how do we know it's more costly the current way? ...it's not like we have definite math on the subject... so I, for one, would rather err on the side of caution... ...and I'll "deal with it" much like the people, such as our beloved OP, who couldn't afford a premium service... I'll make the best of things as they are, and try to improve what I can...
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Post by NoMoreLunacy on Jun 17, 2011 19:46:43 GMT -5
I know that you didn't give your solution, nor did you say if you are OK with turning people away from ERs. I also know that you will never give your solution, nor openly admit that you are OK wit turning people away from ERs. ...patience, dude... and my solution is to let private industry handle private services... and while I accept that some may not be able to buy every service on the menu, why should I use the phrase, "I'm okay with it," which implies satisfaction? So you are OK with some poor sod bleeding to death in the footsteps of ER. At least that's balsy. Now only if Republican candidates for office were open about it we could have a nice run for Democrats in power forever. But those dudes lie, you know? No balls.
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Post by BeenThere...DoneThat... on Jun 17, 2011 22:41:21 GMT -5
...patience, dude... and my solution is to let private industry handle private services... and while I accept that some may not be able to buy every service on the menu, why should I use the phrase, "I'm okay with it," which implies satisfaction? So you are OK with some poor sod bleeding to death in the footsteps of ER. At least that's balsy. Now only if Republican candidates for office were open about it we could have a nice run for Democrats in power forever. But those dudes lie, you know? No balls.
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Post by hello fromWarsaw on Jun 17, 2011 23:20:53 GMT -5
"...how do we know it's more costly the current way? ...it's not like we have definite math on the subject... " Of course we do...
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Post by tbop77 on Jun 18, 2011 8:52:48 GMT -5
Trying to understand the conservative thinking:
People should not be required to purchase insurance when they are healthy and working (like the OP)---but when they need medical attention, I should be required to pay for their medical care (through higher taxes and higher insurance premiums).
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Post by BeenThere...DoneThat... on Jun 18, 2011 9:44:42 GMT -5
Trying to understand the conservative thinking: People should not be required to purchase insurance when they are healthy and working (like the OP)---but when they need medical attention, I should be required to pay for their medical care (through higher taxes and higher insurance premiums). People should not be required to purchase insurance when they are healthy and working ...check... when they need medical attention, I should be required to pay for their medical care (through higher taxes and higher insurance premiums). ...you should not have higher taxes... but yes, your insurance premiums probably rose...
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Post by tbop77 on Jun 18, 2011 11:41:50 GMT -5
Thanks...good to know! Makes perfect sense, doesn't it?
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Post by NoMoreLunacy on Jun 18, 2011 12:29:48 GMT -5
Makes perfect sense. Because one selfish conservative didn't get insurance when (s)he was healthy, the liberal has to fund for his failing health down the line through higher insurance premium. Personal responsibility? Screw that.
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Post by tbop77 on Jun 18, 2011 12:35:24 GMT -5
Oh--I thought conservatives were all about personal responsibiltiy.....maybe I need to read this thread again (twice?) LOL
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Post by NoMoreLunacy on Jun 18, 2011 12:40:57 GMT -5
Oh--I thought conservatives were all about personal responsibiltiy.....maybe I need to read this thread again (twice?) LOL All talk no action when it comes to personal responsibility for conservatives. Guess which states have the highest abortion rates? Get which states get the highest handouts from the Feds? All conservative ones. In the mean time liberal states like my own has to pay for it, make sure abortion rights are maintained, and get a bad name in the process for being against personal responsibility. Also, we have Romneycare, while the conservative in question here is on Medicaid.
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Post by cereb on Jun 18, 2011 12:41:26 GMT -5
Oh--I thought conservatives were all about personal responsibiltiy.....maybe I need to read this thread again (twice?) LOL Only when it applies to other people.
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Post by cereb on Jun 18, 2011 12:42:29 GMT -5
Oh--I thought conservatives were all about personal responsibiltiy.....maybe I need to read this thread again (twice?) LOL All talk no action when it comes to personal responsibility for conservatives. Guess which states have the highest abortion rates? Get which states get the highest handouts from the Feds? All conservative ones. In the mean time liberal states like my own has to pay for it, make sure abortion rights are maintained, and get a bad name in the process for being against personal responsibility. Also, we have Romneycare, while the conservative in question here is on Medicaid. You are from MA too? Go Bruins!
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Post by NoMoreLunacy on Jun 18, 2011 12:42:52 GMT -5
All talk no action when it comes to personal responsibility for conservatives. Guess which states have the highest abortion rates? Get which states get the highest handouts from the Feds? All conservative ones. In the mean time liberal states like my own has to pay for it, make sure abortion rights are maintained, and get a bad name in the process for being against personal responsibility. Also, we have Romneycare, while the conservative in question here is on Medicaid. You are from MA too? Go Bruins! Go Bruins!!!!!!!!!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2011 12:45:35 GMT -5
There sure are some assholes on this board. Some of you people are under the impression that there are 40,000,000 people running around with no insurance that can afford insurance-- which is FALSE. No one wants to be uninsured. The great majority of those 40,000,000 that don't have insurance will get free insurance under Obamacare. It's welfare for people that don't qualify for welfare-- like ME. So stop your whining because I had one medical bill for an injury in the last 10 years-----and ZERO outstanding medical bills before that. Looking at it through your eyes you would have to pay for the working poor anyway-- with or without Obamacare. If you choose to think for some bizarre reason that giving the great majority of 40,000,000 more people free insurance will save money, go for it. All those people that don't get medical care now because they don't have insurance... WOW-- now we can go to the doctor any time we want.. 40,000,000 of us.. Plus-- you go spend 80-100 hours a week 6-7 days a week in a cab for close to 11 years while raising a pack of kids NOT ON WELFARE and then get back to me on what a deadbeat I am.
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Post by NoMoreLunacy on Jun 18, 2011 12:47:33 GMT -5
There sure are some assholes on this board.
Tsk. Tsk.
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Post by cereb on Jun 18, 2011 12:50:36 GMT -5
"Some of you people are under the impression that there are 40,000,000 people running around with no insurance that can afford insurance-- which is FALSE."
Well, you seem to be under the impression that those 40 million will just cheat the system. what's the difference between your assumption and anyone else's? Just sayin...
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Post by NoMoreLunacy on Jun 18, 2011 12:53:14 GMT -5
Well, you seem to be under the impression that those 40 million will just cheat the system. what's the difference between your assumption and anyone else's? Just sayin...
Because her extensive, scientific survey done in cabs in a single city categorically proves that point.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2011 13:05:29 GMT -5
Cheat the system?? You call 40,000,000 people going to the doctor on someone elses $$$ when they get sick instead of just waiting it out like we do now cheating?? Now we are getting somewhere... welfare people go to the doc every time they sneeze or have diarrhea-- is that cheating??? Or are they the poor pitiful people that never had a chance... WAH... if you call that cheating then you have to admit that giving 40,000,000 more people the same right will be more of the same-- working man's welfare. Paid for by the tax payers. I'm near the end of my life, most likely, but I do have several children and grandchildren like most people my age and I don't think they should have to take on this burden when there are ALREADY safety nets in place for emergencies like mine. There is no need for anything as extreme as Obamacare. Liberals know this somewhere deep inside.. they just love gov't so much they want to see it in total control of healthcare. THAT is the end game. We all know it. Obamacare is the first little step.. too bad it is not going to happen. People SEE what the liberal mindset is TRYING to do to our country, and it will be stopped in the voting booths. Which is, of course, why liberal lawmakers are trying SO hard to put restrictions on internet, talk radio, and such. Sorry-- not going to work.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2011 13:06:27 GMT -5
I'm getting sick of your personal attacks and insults, lunacy. Knock it off.
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Post by BeenThere...DoneThat... on Jun 18, 2011 13:07:06 GMT -5
...while I wouldn't have used krickitt's recent wording, I agree with her sentiment...
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Post by BeenThere...DoneThat... on Jun 18, 2011 13:09:57 GMT -5
<<< I'm near the end of my life, most likely, but I do have several children and grandchildren like most people my age and I don't think they should have to take on this burden when there are ALREADY safety nets in place for emergencies like mine. >>> ...well said...
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Post by cereb on Jun 18, 2011 13:43:51 GMT -5
"Cheat the system?? You call 40,000,000 people going to the doctor on someone elses $$$ when they get sick instead of just waiting it out like we do now cheating?? Now we are getting somewhere.."
No Krickitt, you said that, not me.
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Post by cereb on Jun 18, 2011 13:49:38 GMT -5
I wouldn't say STUPID, actually.. of course, there is that, but much more is that 40,000,000 more people will now have access to medical that were doing without before-- like me. But, unlike me, a lot of those 40,000,000 will abuse it. I've had a few scary things, illnesses, where I would probably have gone to the doctor if I had insurance, but I didn't because I don't have insurance. Each of those passed without incident.. this isn't rocket science. If people have it they will use it. Contrary to popular belief, the working poor not on welfare do not run to the ER every time they cough. We just stay home and work through it. Do the math on that. And, yes, subsidized Obamacare IS taking one man's money and giving it to another for their healthcare-- just like welfare. Here you go. Your words, not mine.
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Post by cereb on Jun 18, 2011 13:50:38 GMT -5
Quote "But, unlike me, a lot of those 40,000,000 will abuse it."
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Post by txbo on Jun 18, 2011 13:56:10 GMT -5
I'm getting sick of your personal attacks and insults, lunacy. Knock it off. What personal attacks, you’re the one that brought up the subject no one else. For some reason you think you are different from any other welfare recipient I’m telling you are not. You constantly whine about all the people that take advantage of the program but see no problem if you are the one using the system. I for one have no problem with this, but don’t piss on my leg and tell me it’s raining. This is not an attack on you but should be looked at as an educational moment.
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Post by cereb on Jun 18, 2011 13:59:38 GMT -5
I'm getting sick of your personal attacks and insults, lunacy. Knock it off. What personal attacks, you�re the one that brought up the subject no one else. For some reason you think you are different from any other welfare recipient I�m telling you are not. You constantly whine about all the people that take advantage of the program but see no problem if you are the one using the system. I for one have no problem with this, but don�t piss on my leg and tell me it�s raining. This is not an attack on you but should be looked at as an educational moment. Wise words.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2011 14:13:25 GMT -5
What I do for a living being insulted has NOTHING to do with this thread, or the fact that I am getting temporary help with a medical problem. Now I'll let you fine people go back to what you are doing. I made my point. There is help out there for people like me if they get in a jam. The NEED for Obamacare is a lie if you insist on saying people can't get medical care AND iuf you insist on saying that 40,000,000 new people on free insurance that can go to the doctor any time they want is going to save this country money.
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Post by txbo on Jun 18, 2011 14:16:45 GMT -5
What I do for a living being insulted has NOTHING to do with this thread, or the fact that I am getting temporary help with a medical problem. Now I'll let you fine people go back to what you are doing. I made my point. There is help out there for people like me if they get in a jam. The NEED for Obamacare is a lie if you insist on saying people can't get medical care AND iuf you insist on saying that 40,000,000 new people on free insurance that can go to the doctor any time they want is going to save this country money. The fact that you are getting help is considered Obamacare since the federal government subsidizes the state for your care.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2011 14:22:09 GMT -5
No-- my state has this care, and has had it way before Obamacare. All states do.
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Post by txbo on Jun 18, 2011 14:24:41 GMT -5
No-- my state has this care, and has had it way before Obamacare. All states do. Check it out, the feds pay the state of AZ for some of that care.
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