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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2011 11:00:56 GMT -5
GO, AZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! www.foxnews.com/us/2011/05/08/arizona-seeks-online-donations-build-border-fence/PHOENIX – Arizona lawmakers want more fence along the border with Mexico -- whether the federal government thinks it's necessary or not. They've got a plan that could get a project started using online donations and prison labor. If they get enough money, all they would have to do is get cooperation from landowners and construction could begin as soon as this year. Gov. Jan Brewer recently signed a bill that sets the state on a course that begins with launching a website to raise money for the work, said state Sen. Steve Smith, the bill's sponsor. "We're going to build this site as fast as we can, and promote it, and market the heck out of it," said Smith, a first-term Republican senator. Arizona -- strapped for cash and mired in a budget crisis -- is already using public donations to pay for its legal defense of the controversial get-tough illegal immigration law, known as SB1070. The state is appealing a federal judge's ruling blocking key provisions of the law, including a requirement that immigrants get or carry immigration registration papers. Part of the marketing pitch for donations could include providing certificates declaring that individual contributors "helped build the Arizona wall," Smith said. "I think it's going to be a really, really neat thing." Construction would start "after we've raised a significant amount of money first" but possibly as soon as later this year, Smith said. "If the website is up and there is an overwhelming response to what we've done and millions of dollars in this fund, I would see no reason why engineering or initial construction or finalized plans can't be accomplished," he said. The nearly 2,000-mile U.S.-Mexico border already has about 650 miles of fence of one type or another, nearly half of it in Arizona. The state's border is the busiest gateway for both illegal immigrants and marijuana smuggling. Department of Homeland Security spokesman Matthew Chandler said federal officials declined to comment on the Arizona legislation. State Corrections Director Charles Ryan said getting inmate labor to help construct border fencing wouldn't be a problem. Minimum-security prisoners already have been used to clear brush in immigrants' hiding spots near the border and clean up trash and other material dumped by border-crossers, he said. Work crews of Arizona inmates also have been used to refurbish public buildings, build sidewalks and construct park facilities. At 50 cents an hour, "we are a relatively inexpensive labor force," Ryan said. "If we have the funding to do it, we're capable of doing it."
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Post by ugonow on May 9, 2011 11:07:20 GMT -5
Great idea.But as Napolitano found out after she battled with Bush for fencing there,it is mucho costly to maintain. It is cut and destroyed on a daily basis.
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Post by ugonow on May 9, 2011 11:20:13 GMT -5
I think it would be a lot cheaper to stop their incentives like schooling.healthcare,jobs.......
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2011 11:23:27 GMT -5
But that was then, this is now. We are THROUGH with the illegal coddling Feds. Sure they will try to sue us over this one, too. They do not want the borders closed. Period. Hopefully the generous people that gave us MILLIONS for our defense against the Feds, ongoing, have more where that came from, because we are ready to get moving. Prison labor-- great idea!! Let the illegals build the wall-- LET THEM. And if they try to run-- shoot them. Maybe that will set an example for drug and human smugglers to stay the heck out of AZ!!
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2011 11:26:14 GMT -5
We're working on all that, ugo-- with strong push back from the Feds and activists. One way or another, we are going to stop the nonsense. Feds are going to look real bad if they keep going at us. Let them. We do not care.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2011 11:36:42 GMT -5
www.washingtonpost.com/national/arizona-governor-signs-bill-for-special-dont-tread-on-me-license-plate-for-tea-party/2011/04/29/AFxyNQFF_story.htmlArizona governor signs bill for special ‘Don’t Tread On Me’ license plate for tea party By Associated Press, Published: April 29 PHOENIX — Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer has signed bills approving 11 new special license plates, including one that would feature a “Don’t Tread On Me” slogan to commemorate the tea party and send donations toward the movement. Brewer, a Republican, acted on the license plate bills late Thursday, approving them despite previously expressing concern about Arizona’s growing number of special plates that now number 46. The tea party plate would feature the “Don’t Tread On Me” slogan, rattlesnake emblem and yellow background of the historic Gadsden Flag that is a symbol of the movement that espouses small government. The Legislature completed action April 26 on the bill authorizing the tea party plate. In the run-up to approval, opponents said the tag inappropriately promotes a specific political movement. Supporters said it’s meant to stand up for constitutional principles. Brewer felt comfortable signing the bill authorizing the tea party plate because the movement “is not a purely political organization,” spokesman Matt Benson said Friday. “This is a group that supports the principles of limited government and the Constitution,” Benson said. “Tea party members or not, the governor believes that’s something most Arizonans can support.” Democratic Sen. Kyrsten Sinema, of Phoenix, said it’s wrong to use state resources to support a political organization, whether the tea party or the Democratic Party. “Why not get a bumper sticker like everybody else?” Backers now must raise $32,000 to design and produce the plate....
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2011 11:39:56 GMT -5
We are not alone...
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Post by ugonow on May 9, 2011 11:40:48 GMT -5
I think it's fine as long as they open it up to all parties,special interest groups, retail stores, coporations...the government selling advertising space on plates could fe a good revenue raiser....
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Post by busymom on May 9, 2011 11:40:56 GMT -5
To keep the fence from getting cut, you'll probably need some guard dogs to patrol. (Much quicker & meaner than people patrolling.)
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Post by Tennesseer on May 9, 2011 11:41:05 GMT -5
Any idea how much of the border land is federally owned and how much is in the hands of private citizens? And will the federal government allow the fence to be built on federal land?
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2011 11:42:50 GMT -5
Wow, lonewolf!! Thx for the link!! Saved it!!
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2011 11:47:17 GMT -5
Ranchers will say okay-- Feds, so far say NO to everything we do. From the link--
Any type of fence would require approval of landowners, but Smith said he expects that to be forthcoming from the state and private land owners, including ranchers who have complained of break-ins and other trouble associated with smugglers and illegal crossings.
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Post by ugonow on May 9, 2011 11:53:51 GMT -5
News Desk Chertoff Defends Border Fence on Private Land By U.S. News Staff
Posted: February 27, 2008 Print Share ThisThe Department of Homeland Security, currently building real and virtual fences on the nation's southern border, won't give in to local lawsuits or complaints from landowners because protecting the nation is a larger responsibility than protecting a landowner's property, according to Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff.
He told reporters today that the department is working with local landowners to settle the issue. Chertoff said he's "sympathetic" to their concerns, but he's not willing to give in, something he said previous administrations did, with the result that the border has become porous.
"Maybe this was a dream," he said, but "I thought there was a huge public demand for a fence. I'm willing to have a fair discussion, but I'm not willing to have an endless discussion."
Chertoff noted that he won't be cowed by lawsuits or insults from the local owners. He said that in the past, administrations were "worn down" by lawsuits and political pressure and ended up doing nothing. He added that the department has come up with a good mix of virtual and real fences but that urban areas need fences because those entering the nation illegally can cross the border and slip into U.S. cities too quickly to be caught."
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Post by Tennesseer on May 9, 2011 11:56:27 GMT -5
Ranchers will say okay-- Feds, so far say NO to everything we do. From the link-- Any type of fence would require approval of landowners, but Smith said he expects that to be forthcoming from the state and private land owners, including ranchers who have complained of break-ins and other trouble associated with smugglers and illegal crossings. So what percent of the border is federal land? And if the federal government says no, what good will bits and pieces of fence do?
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2011 11:58:29 GMT -5
Dogs are a great idea-- along with the troops we want there. ;D In AZ our ranchers have had a TERRIBLE time, costing them big bucks and loss of freedom and safety on their own land. Unless they are hard core Dems I think the ranchers will go along with this. They have allowed Feds to use their land for a long time in this fight. Giffords has Tucson and also a LOT of open land and ranches in her district. The ONLY way she got re-elected was to toughen up on border control in the last elections. We DO have Dems here that want this to stop-- just not the liberal college crowd type.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2011 12:00:37 GMT -5
Virtual fencing has proved to be costly and worthless in AZ. As well as vehicle fencing. Worthless.
I don't know that answer, Tenn. Why don't you go find it.
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Post by sesfw on May 9, 2011 12:04:50 GMT -5
'To keep the fence from getting cut, you'll probably need some guard dogs to patrol. (Much quicker & meaner than people patrolling.) '
I still think the National Guard needs to have a 10 mile wide swath the whole length of the border for artillery/gunnery practice range.
Last I heard the drug runners were using large cranes to pick up SUVs filled with people and drugs from the Mexican side and placing them on the US side close to a populated area. Cars hit the ground and they mix in with the crowds.
National Guard Gunnery Range. Sorta has a nice sound to it. Sounds better every time I hear it.
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Post by deziloooooo on May 9, 2011 12:06:04 GMT -5
But that was then, this is now. We are THROUGH with the illegal coddling Feds. Sure they will try to sue us over this one, too. They do not want the borders closed. Period. Hopefully the generous people that gave us MILLIONS for our defense against the Feds, ongoing, have more where that came from, because we are ready to get moving. Prison labor-- great idea!! Let the illegals build the wall-- LET THEM. And if they try to run-- shoot them. Maybe that will set an example for drug and human smugglers to stay the heck out of AZ!! "And if they try to run-- shoot them." I am surmising you had a bad night sleeping last night Krickitt, possible you should take those sleep pills that were prescribed for you till your recovered fully. Hope your recovery is proceeding along nicely by the way.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2011 12:07:23 GMT -5
Agreed, sae!! We are lucky to have Brewer. The COUNTRY is lucky that we have Brewer.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2011 12:09:05 GMT -5
Yeah, Dez-- I said it. Shoot any illegals that try to escape. Prison breaks are illegal, just like sneaking in our country and committing crimes that land you in prison.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2011 12:12:34 GMT -5
Snarky today, Dez?? Just like yesterday?? I've not taken one single pill since 1 1/2 weeks after I broke my bones. Perhaps YOU should take some sleeping pills since they seem to pop in your mind lately when you post at me? Just a thought. I'm not recovering so quickly because I chose to drug myself in to oblivion. Not my style.
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Post by Tennesseer on May 9, 2011 12:17:47 GMT -5
Virtual fencing has proved to be costly and worthless in AZ. As well as vehicle fencing. Worthless. I don't know that answer, Tenn. Why don't you go find it. If you don't know how do you know this will even work? You live in Arizona-I don't.
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Post by deziloooooo on May 9, 2011 12:27:20 GMT -5
Yeah, Dez-- I said it. Shoot any illegals that try to escape. Prison breaks are illegal, just like sneaking in our country and committing crimes that land you in prison. You really love just posting off the wall , from the seat of your britches comments don't you and do you really expect readers to respond with " Duu , gee a bit drastic but maybe she has it right yadda, yadda " Some guy in the Po-key, busted for taking a punch at a cop say, when picked up because of public intoxication, say third time, Judge finally exasperated with continuous appearances, gives him 30 days to think over his actions "..wanders away, shoot him? Your posts as always, off the wall, never any thought given to them, I know kricketts, "Freedom of Speech " even if it seems most of the utterances are ludicrous and idiotic.
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Post by deziloooooo on May 9, 2011 12:34:59 GMT -5
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www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/05/09/arizona-appeals-supreme-court-immigration-law-ruling/?test=latestnewsArizona Appeals to Supreme Court on Immigration Law Ruling Published May 09, 2011 | Associated Press PHOENIX -- Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer announced Monday she will ask the U.S. Supreme Court to overturn a ruling that put the most controversial parts of the state's immigration enforcement law on hold. The planned appeal to the high court comes after Brewer lost an appeal April 11, when a three-judge panel of the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals refused to reverse a lower court's order that prevented key parts of the law from being enforced. The panel said federal officials were likely to prove the law is unconstitutional and succeed in their argument that Congress has given the federal government sole authority to enforce immigration laws. Brewer's lawyers argued the federal government hasn't effectively enforced immigration law at the border and in Arizona's interior and that the state's intent in passing the law was to assist federal authorities as Congress has encouraged. They also argued U.S. District Court Judge Susan Bolton erred by accepting speculation by the federal government that the law might burden legal immigrants and by concluding the federal government would likely prevail. The U.S. Justice Department urged the appeals court to uphold the order that blocked enforcement of parts of the law. The federal government argued the law intrudes on its exclusive authority to regulate immigration, disrupts relations between the United States and Mexico, hinders cooperation between state and federal officials, and burdens legal immigrants. Less than a day before the law was to take effect in July, Bolton blocked key provisions from being enforced, including requirements that immigrants get and carry immigration registration papers and that police -- in enforcing other laws -- question the immigration status of those they suspect are in the country illegally. But Bolton let other parts take effect, such as a ban on obstructing traffic while seeking or offering day-labor services on streets. The law was passed in April 2010 amid years of complaints that the federal government hasn't done enough to lessen the state's role as the nation's busiest illegal entry point. Its passage inspired protests and led to lawsuits seeking to overturn the law and a debate about whether the law would lead to racial profiling. The Arizona law isn't the only one that has challenged federal primacy in immigration. The U.S. Supreme Court is mulling arguments in an appeal by groups that are trying to overturn a 2007 Arizona law that prohibits employers from knowingly hiring illegal immigrants. Civil rights groups have filed a lawsuit aimed at halting a new immigration law in Utah, saying it is too much like portions of Arizona's immigration law. **Onward and upward we go!! Go, Jan!!!!***
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2011 16:12:15 GMT -5
Obama pushing amnesty today in El Paso, Texamexico. Says the border is fine, he has met all demands, gone above and beyond, compares our illegals on welfare to founders of google, etc... Sickening. www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/05/10/obama-urges-congress-pass-immigration-reform/In his first trip to the U.S.-Mexico border as commander-in-chief, President Obama on Tuesday called on Congress to pass sweeping legislation that would remake the nation's immigration system. Speaking to an enthusiastic crowd in the politically unfriendly territory of El Paso, Texas, the president sought to cast immigration overhaul as a pocketbook concern rather than a security or moral issue. Obama noted that Intel, Google, Yahoo and eBay were all founded by an immigrant. "We don't want the next Intel or Google to be created in China or India," he said. "We want those companies and jobs to take root in America." Obama said a bipartisan consensus has formed around "fixing what's broken." "Now we need Congress to catch up," he said. "Now we need to come together around reform that reflects our values as a nation of laws and a nation of immigrants. Reform that demands everyone take responsibility." Brendan Buck, spokesman for House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio, said that House Republicans had no plans to take up immigration legislation and argued that if Obama were serious about immigration reform he would have reached out to Boehner on the issue, which Buck said he hasn't. Countering Republican calls to focus on border security before moving to a comprehensive overhaul, Obama said in his speech that their demands have been more than met by his administration but "they'll never be satisfied." He boasted of increasing border patrol agents, nearing completion of a border fence, and screening more cargo. "We have gone above and beyond what was requested by the very Republicans who said they supported broader reform as long as we got serious about enforcement," Obama said. "But even though we've answered these concerns, I gotta say I suspect there are still going to be some who are trying to move the goal posts on us one more time." "Maybe they'll need a moat," Obama said mockingly to laughter from the crowd. "Maybe they'll want alligators in the moat." MORE.. What a smartazz he is as he panders to illegals in one of the most dangerous cities in the USA because of border problems.
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2011 16:15:18 GMT -5
www.foxnews.com/us/2011/05/10/federal-judge-blocks-utah-immigration-law/Federal Judge Blocks Utah Immigration Law Published May 10, 2011 | Associated Press SALT LAKE CITY -- A federal judge has blocked a new Utah immigration law that lets police check the citizenship status of anyone they arrest. U.S. District Judge Clark Waddoups ruled Tuesday in Salt Lake City hours after the law went into effect. Two civil rights groups had sued to stop the law, contending it was modeled after an Arizona law currently before the federal courts and its implementation could lead to racial profiling. Utah Attorney General Mark Shurtleff says the law is constitutional. The law requires police to verify a person's U.S. immigration status if they are arrested for a serious crime. Immigration checks are optional for lesser crimes.
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