Why we can’t get a handle on this damn virus

[billisonboard]

Oct 24, 2020 18:44:12 GMT -5 busymom said:

Oct 24, 2020 18:35:50 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Thom was pronounced dead at the scene. Investigators reported evidence of alcohol use by Thom, who was not wearing a seat belt, the State Patrol report said. link

Seems like he gave karma a helping hand.

     Meh.  Sadly, it sounds typical.  Seatbelts?  Masks?  Why would I wear one of those?  (Maybe because I'd kind of like to grow old?)

And I can handle my alcohol.

[tallguy]

Oct 24, 2020 18:01:36 GMT -5 dondub said:

Multiple trips cancelled including Donnadub and the Dubettes going to South Africa for a safari. They have a large credit they are nervous about.
So be bought a lakefront cabin to create our own place to go to. Have had selected friends that lay low come and visit. Donnadub is there now with her sister hiking near Mt. Rainier.
Thinking 2022 before leaving the country again. We have a niece and family in Stockholm, a nephew and wife in Amsterdam, and a cousin and husband in western France we we planning on visiting in 2021 but on hold.
Even going to Portland to see the Dubettes is out but the lake place is almost halfway in between so we have seen them there twice. T-Day will be next time with dinner here in Seattle and then Sat./Sunday at the place. They get tested for their work on a regular basis.

GF and I cancelled a couple of two-week trips we had planned.  One we had reservations already, the other was still being planned.  She would be heading to Florida for two months right around now.  I would either be going with her or following in a couple weeks.  Still don't know about Florida for four months in January, and there is also a four-to- six-week trip to Europe next summer we don't know if we can make.  I'll move up some of my spending on the house, but for the most part I've just got things on hold.  Still, will look forward to new paint, flooring, and carpet.  If I'm going to be in the house, at least make it nicer to be there.  Would still prefer to have had this over a long time ago. 

[oped]

Husband went to Europe twice last year alone because I didn’t feel like it. Now travel memories keep coming up from old trips on Facebook and I’m kicking myself a little.

Although, I will say... several weeks at home just me no husband and kids away at school wasn’t necessarily a bad thing either...

Sigh. But travel. And Movies. I miss movies.

[The Walk of the Penguin Mich]

We were supposed to be in Fiji in May.  That was TD's dive trip that got pushed back to 2021.  We should be in China now, but obviously are not.  Next month, we were supposed to be in Barcelona.  That got pushed to Nov 2021.  Our next trip is supposed to be a riverboat cruise from Amsterdam to Budapest in March.  At this point, I give odds of it happening about 50/50.

[oped]

On never getting a handle on this thing... I canvased in the remotest, reddest part of my county today and there is a fabric store there...  I should have known better, given where I was, but hadn't been there in years and there was one car in the parking lot... so I stopped, and picked up some mask fabric. Of course I wore a mask. The proprietor wasn't wearing a mask herself but honestly lots don't around here. I should have left then, but she didn't say anything when I plopped down my first lot and said 1/2 yard each, just for masks... and kept looking, so she had already cut or I might have left without anything as I returned to the cutting table and she went on about how at least there will be pretty masks in the museum some day for people to look back on and say what stupid crazy people were to wear masks and when i pressed back she said that God would protect her and etc. and I paid and left and threw the bag in the trunk for a few days, and sanitized my arms and everything I touched. I will never go back. 

Honestly, I'm becoming less local shopping. Well, downtown the college towns are very blue pockets and I know them. But the local farmers market is now run by a religious freak and they only allow Trump people and have Trump signs lining the street... I'd rather just get from the large corporate grocery store. I'll order fabric online from now on if the Joanne doesn't have what I want. 

[djAdvocate]

God helps those that help themselves.
God didn't help Herman Cain.

[tbop77]

Trump campaign flouted agreement to follow health guidelines at rally, documents show

www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-campaign-flouted-agreement-to-follow-health-guidelines-at-rally-documents-show/ar-BB1ambEU?ocid=msedgntp


It's all about law and order unless the party of Trump has to follow the rules.  Barr should have been there with tear gas to disburse the crowd.  

[happyhoix]

I live in one of those red areas where all the kids are back in school and the virus numbers are ramping up.

Our company won’t allow you to come to work if you have a family member who has Covid ( or been in contact with someone who has Covid ) for 14 days.

We have a spike this week of employees whose kids were in contact with Covid at school, so now we don’t have enough employees to run the plants, even after recruiting office works to help fill in. We’re behind in production with no way, at this point, to catch up.

Tell me again how Trump opening everything up and getting all the kids in school was going to ramp up the economy and save us all?

[pulmonarymd]

Oct 27, 2020 9:01:19 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

I live in one of those red areas where all the kids are back in school and the virus numbers are ramping up.

Our company won’t allow you to come to work if you have a family member who has Covid ( or been in contact with someone who has Covid ) for 14 days.

We have a spike this week of employees whose kids were in contact with Covid at school, so now we don’t have enough employees to run the plants, even after recruiting office works to help fill in. We’re behind in production with no way, at this point, to catch up.

Tell me again how Trump opening everything up and getting all the kids in school was going to ramp up the economy and save us all?

Because, reasons, reasons, reasons. Seriously, I got nothing

[thyme4change]

The economy won't improve until people feel safe. I would feel safer if everyone wore a fucking mask.

[Tennesseer]

Oct 27, 2020 11:05:08 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

The economy won't improve until people feel safe. I would feel safer if everyone wore a fucking mask.

As Trump warns of economic disaster, Wall Street grows giddy about Biden

President Donald Trump loves to say that if Joe Biden wins the White House, stocks will crash, retirement accounts will vanish and an economic depression “the likes of which you’ve never seen” will engulf the nation.

But much of Wall Street is already betting on a Biden win — with a much different take on what the results will mean.


Traders in recent weeks have been piling into bets that a “blue wave” election, in which Democrats also seize the Senate, will produce an economy-juicing blast of fresh fiscal stimulus of $3 trillion or more that carries the U.S. past the coronavirus crisis and into a more normal environment for markets.

Complete article here: link

[bean29]

DH told me last night that another family friend ended up in the hospital with Covid-19 and nearly died.  He said the Man's whole family ended up with Covid-19 too.  About a month ago, the Wife of my FIL's cousin passed from Covid-19 and over the summer my SIL's DS got Covid and ended up in the hospital.  She was out of work over a month, and when she returned she went back 1/2 days b/c she was having breathing issues.  The BIL of my DH's office assistant got Covid-19, and DS said his friends from HS went to a wedding recently and now all have tested + for Covid-19.  DD has had friends and co-workers get Covid-19 and I have several co-workers who had family members get it.

My MIL also told me yesterday that my niece's Son spent the weekend with his Dad and Grandparents, and Niece was notified yesterday that the Dad and Grandfather have tested + for Covid-19.  MIL said my BIL (the other Grandpa) also had his other 2 kids at his house for the weekend so now BIL + 3 kids + Grandson all have to quarantine.  BIL's two kids with his ex wife had returned by their Mom by the time DN was notified, so there is another household exposed (BIL's ex--his younger two kids Mom).

My DS just told me this weekend that she did not know anyone that got Covid-19 other than our Uncle who died a few weeks ago.  Idk if she is just not paying attention or what.  Also my DS told me yesterday that this is all overblown.  I then cautioned him about bringing the virus to someone that is high risk like his grandparents, his Dad or his Uncles.  

[thyme4change]

Oct 28, 2020 10:58:30 GMT -5 bean29 said:

DH told me last night that another family friend ended up in the hospital with Covid-19 and nearly died.  He said the Man's whole family ended up with Covid-19 too.  About a month ago, the Wife of my FIL's cousin passed from Covid-19 and over the summer my SIL's DS got Covid and ended up in the hospital.  She was out of work over a month, and when she returned she went back 1/2 days b/c she was having breathing issues.  The BIL of my DH's office assistant got Covid-19, and DS said his friends from HS went to a wedding recently and now all have tested + for Covid-19.  DD has had friends and co-workers get Covid-19 and I have several co-workers who had family members get it.

My MIL also told me yesterday that my niece's Son spent the weekend with his Dad and Grandparents, and Niece was notified yesterday that the Dad and Grandfather have tested + for Covid-19.  MIL said my BIL (the other Grandpa) also had his other 2 kids at his house for the weekend so now BIL + 3 kids + Grandson all have to quarantine.  BIL's two kids with his ex wife had returned by their Mom by the time DN was notified, so there is another household exposed (BIL's ex--his younger two kids Mom).

My DS just told me this weekend that she did not know anyone that got Covid-19 other than our Uncle who died a few weeks ago.  Idk if she is just not paying attention or what.  Also my DS told me yesterday that this is all overblown.  I then cautioned him about bringing the virus to someone that is high risk like his grandparents, his Dad or his Uncles.  

I'm having pronoun problems - does DS switch from son and sister in this post?

[bean29]

Oct 28, 2020 11:37:03 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

Oct 28, 2020 10:58:30 GMT -5 bean29 said:

DH told me last night that another family friend ended up in the hospital with Covid-19 and nearly died.  He said the Man's whole family ended up with Covid-19 too.  About a month ago, the Wife of my FIL's cousin passed from Covid-19 and over the summer my SIL's Sister K got Covid and ended up in the hospital.  She was out of work over a month, and when she returned she went back 1/2 days b/c she was having breathing issues.  The BIL of my DH's office assistant got Covid-19, and our Son said his friends from HS went to a wedding recently and now all have tested + for Covid-19.  Our Daughter has had friends and co-workers get Covid-19 and I have several co-workers who had family members get it.

My MIL also told me yesterday that my niece's Son spent the weekend with his Dad and Grandparents, and Niece was notified yesterday that the Dad and Grandfather have tested + for Covid-19.  MIL said my BIL (the other Grandpa) also had his other 2 kids at his house for the weekend so now BIL + 3 kids + Grandson all have to quarantine.  BIL's two kids with his ex wife had returned by their Mom by the time my Niece N was notified, so there is another household exposed (BIL's ex--his younger two kids Mom).

My Sister just told me this weekend that she did not know anyone that got Covid-19 other than our Uncle who died a few weeks ago.  Idk if she is just not paying attention or what.  Also my Son told me yesterday that this is all overblown.  I then cautioned him about bringing the virus to someone that is high risk like his grandparents, his Dad or his Uncles.  

I'm having pronoun problems - does DS switch from son and sister in this post?

Sorry, yes.  I will edit.  

[happyhoix]

Don Jr said yesterday that people are getting the virus still but the deaths from Covid are “almost nothing”.

So 5600 deaths in seven days is “almost nothing”

Glad to hear we can stop worrying about this now.

Drove through my little very red rural town yesterday on the way home from work and all our restaurants had packed parking lots. Going by the percentage of people who refuse to wear masks at our grocery stores, I’m guessing there isn’t a mask in the place.

We’re fucked.

[flan327]

I have trouble breathing with a mask

I don't have asthma

I let my husband do the damn grocery shopping

Occasionally he remembers to buy something for me

[flan327]

Oct 25, 2020 6:30:15 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

God helps those that help themselves.
God didn't help Herman Cain.

Is that sarcasm?

[weltschmerz]

This is funny....

[djAdvocate]

Oct 30, 2020 7:27:03 GMT -5 flan327 said:

Oct 25, 2020 6:30:15 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

God helps those that help themselves.
God didn't help Herman Cain.

Is that sarcasm?

not at all.

my daddy taught me that we should be self sufficient and safe.

HC was self sufficient but an arrogant tool.

as are all of the anti-mask fools.

God is not there to take care of them.

[happyhoix]

Over on the Fox boards yesterday some guy was going off on how the death rate for Covid was now just 1%, so we should just opening everything up, everyone gets it, a few people die, and then the rest of us are all immune. 

I'm not sure the overall death rate is 1%, but say it is. That's with treatment for those that need it. So say in a city of 400,000 people, you have 800 ICU beds, and usually half are occupied, so 400 free ones. If 1% of the population gets Covid, and 10% of those cases need to go to the hospital, assuming I do my math right, you need 400 ICU beds. But if you give up using masks and social distancing and decide we're going to infect everyone and go with herd immunity, you're out of ICU beds and you have to start making decisions on who gets the ICU beds and ventilators and who get left in the gurneys in the hallways to just die. So your death rate jumps as those 10% of the people who need extra medical assistance don't get it. 

We have to keep the infection rate low so we don't overwhelm the hospitals, so that everyone who needs extra assistance has a bed. The Trump minions either don't understand that, or they understand it and just don't care.

[billisonboard]

Nov 1, 2020 9:42:01 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Over on the Fox boards yesterday some guy was going off on how the death rate for Covid was now just 1%, so we should just opening everything up, everyone gets it, a few people die, and then the rest of us are all immune. 

I'm not sure the overall death rate is 1%, but say it is. That's with treatment for those that need it. So say in a city of 400,000 people, you have 800 ICU beds, and usually half are occupied, so 400 free ones. If 1% of the population gets Covid, and 10% of those cases need to go to the hospital, assuming I do my math right, you need 400 ICU beds. But if you give up using masks and social distancing and decide we're going to infect everyone and go with herd immunity, you're out of ICU beds and you have to start making decisions on who gets the ICU beds and ventilators and who get left in the gurneys in the hallways to just die. So your death rate jumps as those 10% of the people who need extra medical assistance don't get it. 

We have to keep the infection rate low so we don't overwhelm the hospitals, so that everyone who needs extra assistance has a bed. The Trump minions either don't understand that, or they understand it and just don't care.

It is one big hairy assed real world story problem. And I remember most of my fellow students hating doing story problems back in math class. On top of that life and death moral issues. It shouldn't be surprising people don't want to deal with the details.

[pulmonarymd]

Herd immunity will require about 70% of the population to have gotten this. So in a country of 330 million, thats about 240 million of us, give or take. Assume 4p million of us have had it. So another 200 million infections. Assume a 0.5% mortality. Another 1 million deaths. If 5% need to be hospitalized, 10 million hospitalizations. If there are about 100k cases a day, that happens over 7 months. Every scared now?

[Tennesseer]

How Are Americans Catching the Virus? Increasingly, ‘They Have No Idea’

New outbreaks used to be traced back to crowded factories and rowdy bars. But now, the virus is so widespread not even health officials are able to keep up.

When the coronavirus first erupted in Sioux Falls, S.D., in the spring, Mayor Paul TenHaken arrived at work each morning with a clear mission: Stop the outbreak at the pork plant. Hundreds of employees, chopping meat shoulder to shoulder, had gotten sick in what was then the largest virus cluster in the United States.

That outbreak was extinguished months ago, and these days, when he heads into City Hall, the situation is far more nebulous. The virus has spread all over town.

“You can swing a cat and hit someone who has got it,” said Mr. TenHaken, who had to reschedule his own meetings to Zoom this past week after his assistant tested positive for the virus.

As the coronavirus soars across the country, charting a single-day record of 99,155 new cases on Friday and surpassing nine million cases nationwide, tracing the path of the pandemic in the United States is no longer simply challenging. It has become nearly impossible.

Gone are the days when Americans could easily understand the virus by tracking rising case numbers back to discrete sources — the crowded factory, the troubled nursing home, the rowdy bar. Now, there are so many cases, in so many places, that many people are coming to a frightening conclusion: They have no idea where the virus is spreading.

“It’s just kind of everywhere,” said Crystal Watson, a senior scholar at the Center for Health Security at the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health, who estimated that tracing coronavirus cases becomes difficult once the virus spreads to more than 10 cases per 100,000 people.

Complete article here:  How Are Americans Catching the Virus? Increasingly, ‘They Have No Idea’

[happyhoix]

Nov 1, 2020 11:46:52 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

How Are Americans Catching the Virus? Increasingly, ‘They Have No Idea’

New outbreaks used to be traced back to crowded factories and rowdy bars. But now, the virus is so widespread not even health officials are able to keep up.

When the coronavirus first erupted in Sioux Falls, S.D., in the spring, Mayor Paul TenHaken arrived at work each morning with a clear mission: Stop the outbreak at the pork plant. Hundreds of employees, chopping meat shoulder to shoulder, had gotten sick in what was then the largest virus cluster in the United States.

That outbreak was extinguished months ago, and these days, when he heads into City Hall, the situation is far more nebulous. The virus has spread all over town.

“You can swing a cat and hit someone who has got it,” said Mr. TenHaken, who had to reschedule his own meetings to Zoom this past week after his assistant tested positive for the virus.

As the coronavirus soars across the country, charting a single-day record of 99,155 new cases on Friday and surpassing nine million cases nationwide, tracing the path of the pandemic in the United States is no longer simply challenging. It has become nearly impossible.

Gone are the days when Americans could easily understand the virus by tracking rising case numbers back to discrete sources — the crowded factory, the troubled nursing home, the rowdy bar. Now, there are so many cases, in so many places, that many people are coming to a frightening conclusion: They have no idea where the virus is spreading.

“It’s just kind of everywhere,” said Crystal Watson, a senior scholar at the Center for Health Security at the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health, who estimated that tracing coronavirus cases becomes difficult once the virus spreads to more than 10 cases per 100,000 people.

Complete article here:  How Are Americans Catching the Virus? Increasingly, ‘They Have No Idea’

Our occupational nurse deals with our Covid positive employees and she said a lot of them now are getting it from their kids who got it at school, or from family gatherings. Not so much the big spreader events like church and bars.

Thanksgiving is going to be a bunch of super spreader events, especially in red areas like mine where a lot of people think it’s fake.

[pulmonarymd]

Nov 1, 2020 12:53:37 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Nov 1, 2020 11:46:52 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

How Are Americans Catching the Virus? Increasingly, ‘They Have No Idea’

New outbreaks used to be traced back to crowded factories and rowdy bars. But now, the virus is so widespread not even health officials are able to keep up.

When the coronavirus first erupted in Sioux Falls, S.D., in the spring, Mayor Paul TenHaken arrived at work each morning with a clear mission: Stop the outbreak at the pork plant. Hundreds of employees, chopping meat shoulder to shoulder, had gotten sick in what was then the largest virus cluster in the United States.

That outbreak was extinguished months ago, and these days, when he heads into City Hall, the situation is far more nebulous. The virus has spread all over town.

“You can swing a cat and hit someone who has got it,” said Mr. TenHaken, who had to reschedule his own meetings to Zoom this past week after his assistant tested positive for the virus.

As the coronavirus soars across the country, charting a single-day record of 99,155 new cases on Friday and surpassing nine million cases nationwide, tracing the path of the pandemic in the United States is no longer simply challenging. It has become nearly impossible.

Gone are the days when Americans could easily understand the virus by tracking rising case numbers back to discrete sources — the crowded factory, the troubled nursing home, the rowdy bar. Now, there are so many cases, in so many places, that many people are coming to a frightening conclusion: They have no idea where the virus is spreading.

“It’s just kind of everywhere,” said Crystal Watson, a senior scholar at the Center for Health Security at the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health, who estimated that tracing coronavirus cases becomes difficult once the virus spreads to more than 10 cases per 100,000 people.

Complete article here:  How Are Americans Catching the Virus? Increasingly, ‘They Have No Idea’

Our occupational nurse deals with our Covid positive employees and she said a lot of them now are getting it from their kids who got it at school, or from family gatherings. Not so much the big spreader events like church and bars.

Thanksgiving is going to be a bunch of super spreader events, especially in red areas like mine where a lot of people think it’s fake.

It is mostly community spread. More of our hospital employees have caught it this fall than in the spring. And in the spring, our hospital was full with these patients. Now, not so much

[thyme4change]

Oct 27, 2020 11:05:08 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

The economy won't improve until people feel safe. I would feel safer if everyone wore a fucking mask.

It seems as if most have stopped saying "economy" and now say "mental health".

Mental health won't improve by just opening bars and restaurants. It won't improve until people feel safe. I would feel safer if everyone wore a mask.

[tbop77]

Scott Atlas, a White House policy adviser on the coronavirus, apologized on Sunday for “allowing myself to be taken advantage of” by a Russian media outlet backed by the Kremlin.



Atlas said he spoke to RT without realizing the company’s foreign ties.


“It’s tragic. There’s no question about that,” he said. “But if you wanna know what’s happening right now, I think there’s a gross distortion that has sort of been typical of the reporting on this. And that is that there’s this frenzy of focusing on the number of cases when we see a lot of reasons to be sort of, you know, cautiously optimistic here rather than fearful.”


www.politico.com/news/2020/11/01/scott-atlas-apologizes-interview-kremlin-433795

Sometimes....there are no words!  

[thyme4change]

Nov 1, 2020 9:42:01 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Over on the Fox boards yesterday some guy was going off on how the death rate for Covid was now just 1%, so we should just opening everything up, everyone gets it, a few people die, and then the rest of us are all immune. 

I'm not sure the overall death rate is 1%, but say it is. That's with treatment for those that need it. So say in a city of 400,000 people, you have 800 ICU beds, and usually half are occupied, so 400 free ones. If 1% of the population gets Covid, and 10% of those cases need to go to the hospital, assuming I do my math right, you need 400 ICU beds. But if you give up using masks and social distancing and decide we're going to infect everyone and go with herd immunity, you're out of ICU beds and you have to start making decisions on who gets the ICU beds and ventilators and who get left in the gurneys in the hallways to just die. So your death rate jumps as those 10% of the people who need extra medical assistance don't get it. 

We have to keep the infection rate low so we don't overwhelm the hospitals, so that everyone who needs extra assistance has a bed. The Trump minions either don't understand that, or they understand it and just don't care.

1% would be more than 3 million people in the US. That is a lot of people. It would double the normal number of deaths.

[giramomma]

Nov 1, 2020 11:35:42 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Herd immunity will require about 70% of the population to have gotten this. So in a country of 330 million, thats about 240 million of us, give or take. Assume 4p million of us have had it. So another 200 million infections. Assume a 0.5% mortality. Another 1 million deaths. If 5% need to be hospitalized, 10 million hospitalizations. If there are about 100k cases a day, that happens over 7 months. Every scared now?

At the rate we're going, in my county, a year from now, everyone will have had it. If we keep it up, it could take less than a year.

Then the question becomes, what's quicker, getting the vaccine, or getting covid?

I also happen to live in a county that is skewed young. 25% of the population is 18 or under; 14% is 65+.

As of now, there are no deaths in the 0-18 crowd. 

The current mortality rate is .003% (49 deaths out of almost 16,000 cases...incase my math is bad).

So, within that year that we have everyone having it, 1200 (give or take) additional folks will die, and most of the deaths will come from the 60+ category. 10% of the deaths comes from the 30-39 crowd and the 50-59 crowd (no deaths for 40 year olds).

As heartless as it is to say, I am not scared for myself or my nuclear family. Because 1) we are being prudent and 2) we are still young 3) we're a healthy lot.

I am worried about my extended family, because of their age.

I have ceased to get scared about  people that are being stupid. I have enough on my plate. And honestly, what good does it do to get worried about things I cannot control. I cannot make other families mask up, cease travel, or anything like that.

[pulmonarymd]

Nov 1, 2020 20:45:19 GMT -5 giramomma said:

Nov 1, 2020 11:35:42 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Herd immunity will require about 70% of the population to have gotten this. So in a country of 330 million, thats about 240 million of us, give or take. Assume 4p million of us have had it. So another 200 million infections. Assume a 0.5% mortality. Another 1 million deaths. If 5% need to be hospitalized, 10 million hospitalizations. If there are about 100k cases a day, that happens over 7 months. Every scared now?

At the rate we're going, in my county, a year from now, everyone will have had it. If we keep it up, it could take less than a year.

Then the question becomes, what's quicker, getting the vaccine, or getting covid?

I also happen to live in a county that is skewed young. 25% of the population is 18 or under; 14% is 65+.

As of now, there are no deaths in the 0-18 crowd. 

The current mortality rate is .003% (49 deaths out of almost 16,000 cases...incase my math is bad).

So, within that year that we have everyone having it, 1200 (give or take) additional folks will die, and most of the deaths will come from the 60+ category. 10% of the deaths comes from the 30-39 crowd and the 50-59 crowd (no deaths for 40 year olds).

As heartless as it is to say, I am not scared for myself or my nuclear family. Because 1) we are being prudent and 2) we are still young 3) we're a healthy lot.

I am worried about my extended family, because of their age.

I have ceased to get scared about  people that are being stupid. I have enough on my plate. And honestly, what good does it do to get worried about things I cannot control. I cannot make other families mask up, cease travel, or anything like that.

The problem with not controlling it is twofold:

1 medical personnel become sacrificial lambs. Willingness to do what needs to be done will degrade and n the future if we see that society does not care about us.

2 the rate of infection will be to high. Hospitals will become overwhelmed. People died as a result of that early in the pandemic, and it will happen again. And other problems will get pushed aside. Already, there are estimates that there will be 10k more cancer deaths in the next 5 years due to delayed screening. If we get another surge, more will die. In addition, there were 75k additional deaths in the US that are unaccounted for. So people likely avoided hospitals for their heart attacks, strokes, etc, and that will continue