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Post by billisonboard on Oct 24, 2020 9:30:42 GMT -5
So, a red state is asking a blue state to bail it out and will not do anything to prevent the problem. I thought conservatives were all for personal responsibility. Fix your own damn problem. Unless they mean personal responsibility is only for poor black people. Actually health professionals who are working in a state controlled by conservatives are looking to save the lives of their patients any way they can and those politicians are making their job more difficult. This is a bit personal for me. I moved from Idaho to Washington in no small part to escape Idaho's political climate. It might be tempting to tell those who remain that they or those close to them deserve to die because they live there and haven't changed that climate. I can't quite go there. It is particularly difficult because I am now in Eastern Washington due to employment which is much closer to Idaho both physically and politically.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Oct 24, 2020 9:38:28 GMT -5
So, a red state is asking a blue state to bail it out and will not do anything to prevent the problem. I thought conservatives were all for personal responsibility. Fix your own damn problem. Unless they mean personal responsibility is only for poor black people. Actually health professionals who are working in a state controlled by conservatives are looking to save the lives of their patients any way they can and those politicians are making their job more difficult. This is a bit personal for me. I moved from Idaho to Washington in no small part to escape Idaho's political climate. It might be tempting to tell those who remain that they or those close to them deserve to die because they live there and haven't changed that climate. I can't quite go there. It is particularly difficult because I am now in Eastern Washington due to employment which is much closer to Idaho both physically and politically. This is also deeply personal to me. By denying the severity of the outbreak, and refusing to do anything to prevent its worsening, they are purposely putting me and my fellow coworker/ICU colleagues around the nation in harms way. They are taking needless risks, and when the inevitable happens, expecting us to risk our lives to save theirs. So, I am pissed off, and am willing to tell states that are heavy into denialism, that you are on your own. If you have a problem with that, elect better leaders, listen to experts, and protect yourself. But to basically tell healthcare workers that we do not care if you get sick and die(and that is essentially what they are doing), has me screaming enough. I am sitting in the ICU watching a nice man, and having to decide if he needs to be put on a ventilator. An action that will mean he has a 30-40% chance of dying, doing so in a miserable way, and possibly having it happen alone. I can see our numbers trending up, and know I am in for a long 6 months. So, excuse me for not being as empathetic as I should. This is what is going throught he minds of people like me, and why there will be significant burn out in healthcare workers when this is all over
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Post by billisonboard on Oct 24, 2020 10:52:05 GMT -5
Actually health professionals who are working in a state controlled by conservatives are looking to save the lives of their patients any way they can and those politicians are making their job more difficult. This is a bit personal for me. I moved from Idaho to Washington in no small part to escape Idaho's political climate. It might be tempting to tell those who remain that they or those close to them deserve to die because they live there and haven't changed that climate. I can't quite go there. It is particularly difficult because I am now in Eastern Washington due to employment which is much closer to Idaho both physically and politically. This is also deeply personal to me. By denying the severity of the outbreak, and refusing to do anything to prevent its worsening, they are purposely putting me and my fellow coworker/ICU colleagues around the nation in harms way. They are taking needless risks, and when the inevitable happens, expecting us to risk our lives to save theirs. So, I am pissed off, and am willing to tell states that are heavy into denialism, that you are on your own. If you have a problem with that, elect better leaders, listen to experts, and protect yourself. But to basically tell healthcare workers that we do not care if you get sick and die(and that is essentially what they are doing), has me screaming enough. I am sitting in the ICU watching a nice man, and having to decide if he needs to be put on a ventilator. An action that will mean he has a 30-40% chance of dying, doing so in a miserable way, and possibly having it happen alone. I can see our numbers trending up, and know I am in for a long 6 months. So, excuse me for not being as empathetic as I should. This is what is going throught he minds of people like me, and why there will be significant burn out in healthcare workers when this is all over But it isn't about "telling states". What you are saying is that your colleague in a red state needs to tell his or her "nice man" and his family that he might need to go on a ventilator to improve his odds of living but, while one is available on the other side of a political line, none is available on this side of that line. So until you elect better leaders who will listen to experts and encourage people to protect themselves, you won't have access to the care needed. (And I don't think you really mean that. I hear frustration speaking.)
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Post by Opti on Oct 24, 2020 10:57:47 GMT -5
I think some of the issue is that they don't know anyone who's died from it OR been hospitalized OR who's been sick. It's like it doesn't exist - because they have no first hand experience with it. It's like they are skeptical of Covid19 but not skeptical at all about any conspiracy theory, paranormal, or religious dogma. Which just blows my mind.But this is what I don’t get. I have never had shingles. I know no one IRL who has had shingles. As I had chicken pox as a child, I know I am susceptible to shingles. However, I KNOW I don’t want shingles. So I got vaccinated to avoid getting shingles. That is doing everything in my power to avoid a debilitating, painful condition that is likely not going to kill me, just make me miserable. You don’t have to know something is bad first hand to want to avoid it. How is Covid different? Covid is different because Trump turned it into a political tool. Even last night he was continuing to insist it was going away, even when data shows the opposite. His fans don’t want to wear masks because that would be aligning with the weak, hysterical dems. If we had approached this strictly as a public health issue, like polio, we’d be in a much better spot now. I'm beginning to think he is anti-mask simply for the optics of his legacy. We will all be able to remember the time of Covid simply from masked people in pictures. I think this is what bothers him more than anything. That pictures of him and pictures of him interacting with others will show masks and therefore remind him of Covid.
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Post by Opti on Oct 24, 2020 11:09:03 GMT -5
Well. Yesterday's count in GA was 1811 new cases. Today? 2269. Seems to be a little bump there. We started out the week with 800+ new cases. I'm not confident in GA"s numbers, because of Kemp. King of manipulating. If you look the total death rates and remove the COVID cases, there's a lot more people dying this year, on average, compared to the previous few years. If you didn't get a COVID test and died, even if you had all the symptoms of COVID, they are counting that as some other cause of death. I think Florida is doing the same. Not a coincidence both have idiot governors who are trying to pretend COVId is not a big deal. Agree. I'm not willing to look into it at this time, but I believe Florida and Texas among others are under-reporting their Covid deaths.
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Post by Opti on Oct 24, 2020 11:22:02 GMT -5
This is also deeply personal to me. By denying the severity of the outbreak, and refusing to do anything to prevent its worsening, they are purposely putting me and my fellow coworker/ICU colleagues around the nation in harms way. They are taking needless risks, and when the inevitable happens, expecting us to risk our lives to save theirs. So, I am pissed off, and am willing to tell states that are heavy into denialism, that you are on your own. If you have a problem with that, elect better leaders, listen to experts, and protect yourself. But to basically tell healthcare workers that we do not care if you get sick and die(and that is essentially what they are doing), has me screaming enough. I am sitting in the ICU watching a nice man, and having to decide if he needs to be put on a ventilator. An action that will mean he has a 30-40% chance of dying, doing so in a miserable way, and possibly having it happen alone. I can see our numbers trending up, and know I am in for a long 6 months. So, excuse me for not being as empathetic as I should. This is what is going throught he minds of people like me, and why there will be significant burn out in healthcare workers when this is all over But it isn't about "telling states". What you are saying is that your colleague in a red state needs to tell his or her "nice man" and his family that he might need to go on a ventilator to improve his odds of living but, while one is available on the other side of a political line, none is available on this side of that line. So until you elect better leaders who will listen to experts and encourage people to protect themselves, you won't have access to the care needed. (And I don't think you really mean that. I hear frustration speaking.) I think he somewhat means it. I know I go through periods of not caring here and at work.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Oct 24, 2020 11:22:09 GMT -5
This is also deeply personal to me. By denying the severity of the outbreak, and refusing to do anything to prevent its worsening, they are purposely putting me and my fellow coworker/ICU colleagues around the nation in harms way. They are taking needless risks, and when the inevitable happens, expecting us to risk our lives to save theirs. So, I am pissed off, and am willing to tell states that are heavy into denialism, that you are on your own. If you have a problem with that, elect better leaders, listen to experts, and protect yourself. But to basically tell healthcare workers that we do not care if you get sick and die(and that is essentially what they are doing), has me screaming enough. I am sitting in the ICU watching a nice man, and having to decide if he needs to be put on a ventilator. An action that will mean he has a 30-40% chance of dying, doing so in a miserable way, and possibly having it happen alone. I can see our numbers trending up, and know I am in for a long 6 months. So, excuse me for not being as empathetic as I should. This is what is going throught he minds of people like me, and why there will be significant burn out in healthcare workers when this is all over But it isn't about "telling states". What you are saying is that your colleague in a red state needs to tell his or her "nice man" and his family that he might need to go on a ventilator to improve his odds of living but, while one is available on the other side of a political line, none is available on this side of that line. So until you elect better leaders who will listen to experts and encourage people to protect themselves, you won't have access to the care needed. (And I don't think you really mean that. I hear frustration speaking.) I am a professional. I will care for and ensure that anyone, even a miserable person, gets the care they need. So no, I do not wish they die. But, the lack of honesty, the feeling of superiority, entitlement, and the intellectual dishonesty is infuriating. They(and I mean the general they) should bear the brunt of their beliefs. But expecting Washington state to bail them out, but be unwilling to do what needs to be done to decrease the need for that to happen is unconscionable. And the people keep electing the same uncaring assholes. So eventually, they should face the realities of what they have voted for.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2020 11:47:55 GMT -5
Here in no-healthcare Eastern Oregon, we were told ICU patients with COVID would be flown to ID for care. So much for that plan, when they are sending patients to WA...
We have 10 cases here in the last few days with a county-wide population of 7K people. We know the cluster is here in town and here there's about 3K people.
People are still fighting to keep schools open and refusing to wear masks. They still go on and on about how masks make you sick and the government wants to control you.
I'm not leaving home until spring. They can all self-genocide themselves.
I agree that people who refuse to take steps to control the virus should be denied medical care.
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Post by billisonboard on Oct 24, 2020 12:02:26 GMT -5
But it isn't about "telling states". What you are saying is that your colleague in a red state needs to tell his or her "nice man" and his family that he might need to go on a ventilator to improve his odds of living but, while one is available on the other side of a political line, none is available on this side of that line. So until you elect better leaders who will listen to experts and encourage people to protect themselves, you won't have access to the care needed. (And I don't think you really mean that. I hear frustration speaking.) I am a professional. I will care for and ensure that anyone, even a miserable person, gets the care they need. So no, I do not wish they die. But, the lack of honesty, the feeling of superiority, entitlement, and the intellectual dishonesty is infuriating. They(and I mean the general they) should bear the brunt of their beliefs. But expecting Washington state to bail them out, but be unwilling to do what needs to be done to decrease the need for that to happen is unconscionable. And the people keep electing the same uncaring assholes. So eventually, they should face the realities of what they have voted for. I hope that come January 20th this isn't where I find myself.
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Post by Tiny on Oct 24, 2020 12:09:09 GMT -5
I think people who don't wear masks and deny that the virus exists - should own it and not get tested or go to the hospital, even if they are infected and suffering or even dying. If you are so sure of it, why use up resources? Let this be a teaching moment for everyone around you. OMG - I have become a monster and will surely go to hell, but I have good company Don't feel bad. I pretty much said that in reply to a relative "Cool. Since it doesn't exist/you don't need to wear a mask - I assume if you do get sick and feel like crap (can't breathe) you're going to stay home - because it's just like "a cold or the flu" right? You're not going to use that really nice Healthcare plan you have right? Why would you pay a copay for a dr visit, when it's just a "cold or the flu". You're not a wimp are you? Loser? Cry baby you're not gonna get all "liberal" if you do get sick?? right Yeah, I, too, have become a monster. Nietzche was right. It is easy to become the monster(s) you fight against. I just can't believe how ugly I've gotten... mostly in response to all the ugliness I see/hear around me. It just can't be ignored anymore.
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Post by Tiny on Oct 24, 2020 12:15:38 GMT -5
Covid is different because Trump turned it into a political tool. Even last night he was continuing to insist it was going away, even when data shows the opposite. His fans don’t want to wear masks because that would be aligning with the weak, hysterical dems. If we had approached this strictly as a public health issue, like polio, we’d be in a much better spot now. I'm beginning to think he is anti-mask simply for the optics of his legacy. We will all be able to remember the time of Covid simply from masked people in pictures. I think this is what bothers him more than anything. That pictures of him and pictures of him interacting with others will show masks and therefore remind him of Covid. Yes, I agree with you. This is why he will spew something ugly and then a day or two later recant it or say the opposite. I'm sure he knows that giving enough conflicting "sound bites" will insure that his name and legacy will continue. in a few years - the white nationalists/supremacists will be able to pull out appropriate sound bytes to use as "documented facts". It's the only way to manufacture facts in order to combat actual facts. trump's backers are not stupid. They need their own "irrefutable" sources and scientists and people in authority to back up their "facts". And trump is handing it to them.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Oct 24, 2020 14:23:58 GMT -5
So, a red state is asking a blue state to bail it out and will not do anything to prevent the problem. I thought conservatives were all for personal responsibility. Fix your own damn problem. Unless they mean personal responsibility is only for poor black people. I think that this is what is befuddling my brain. WA has been vilified by Trump for its response to Covid. We are doing cautiously ok. We have been opening up and cases are controlled to the best we can control them. Our healthcare system is not currently overwhelmed. Elective surgeries are back on the schedule. New cases have been ranging from 200-700 state wide for the fall so far. Some areas are at a 2% positive rate, others higher. As a state as of yesterday, we were at 4.3%. People grouse at restrictions and mask wearing, but most comply. Things will get worse during the winter, but I suspect that the increases can be handled. However, I don’t know how healthcare could handle the coming increases from both WA and ID. I guess that anticipating the worst and hoping for the best is really all we can do at this point. I am not understanding why others are not doing likewise. Que sera sera? But who will come to their aid?
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Post by pulmonarymd on Oct 24, 2020 14:28:54 GMT -5
So, a red state is asking a blue state to bail it out and will not do anything to prevent the problem. I thought conservatives were all for personal responsibility. Fix your own damn problem. Unless they mean personal responsibility is only for poor black people. I think that this is what is befuddling my brain. WA has been vilified by Trump for its response to Covid. We are doing cautiously ok. We have been opening up and cases are controlled to the best we can control them. Our healthcare system is not currently overwhelmed. Elective surgeries are back on the schedule. New cases have been ranging from 200-700 state wide for the fall so far. Some areas are at a 2% positive rate, others higher. As a state as of yesterday, we were at 4.3%. People grouse at restrictions and mask wearing, but most comply. Things will get worse during the winter, but I suspect that the increases can be handled. However, I don’t know how healthcare could handle the coming increases from both WA and ID. I guess that anticipating the worst and hoping for the best is really all we can do at this point. I am not understanding why others are not doing likewise. Que sera sera? But who will come to their aid? Maybe that is when they will learn. But there will be a lot of pain and suffering before that. To what purpose? Incredibly frustrating, and I would not blame health officials in Washing ton for being pissed
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Post by wvugurl26 on Oct 24, 2020 15:47:53 GMT -5
Having just popped in to a store in my home town, I can see why we can't get a handle on it. Too many people refuse to do the simple things of wear a mask and distance. There is a mask mandate in the state. I got my stuff and got out quickly.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Oct 24, 2020 16:38:34 GMT -5
Having just popped in to a store in my home town, I can see why we can't get a handle on it. Too many people refuse to do the simple things of wear a mask and distance. There is a mask mandate in the state. I got my stuff and got out quickly. I get out as fast as I can even when people comply. This is why when people complain about restrictions causing economic problems, they are wrong. Until the virus is controlled things will not get back to normal
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Oct 24, 2020 16:57:33 GMT -5
Having just popped in to a store in my home town, I can see why we can't get a handle on it. Too many people refuse to do the simple things of wear a mask and distance. There is a mask mandate in the state. I got my stuff and got out quickly. I get out as fast as I can even when people comply. This is why when people complain about restrictions causing economic problems, they are wrong. Until the virus is controlled things will not get back to normal I do too. Gone are the days where I would shop just to see what's out there. I get what I need and get out. Get what's on my grocery list and leave. I was horribly annoyed when I went to a local hardware store and there were many not complying with the mask mandate. About half of those that did comply were were wearing their mask under their nose or chin. Social distancing was nil when I stepped back from paying at the register and stepped on some guy's foot. This is in a state where there IS high compliance! I can't imagine what it's like in a state where there is none.
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Post by NastyWoman on Oct 24, 2020 17:03:24 GMT -5
Having just popped in to a store in my home town, I can see why we can't get a handle on it. Too many people refuse to do the simple things of wear a mask and distance. There is a mask mandate in the state. I got my stuff and got out quickly. I must live in the region of 'sheep!e' sinds our mask mandate in April or May (I don't remember the exact date) I have seen exactly one person without a mask anywhere. This was a homeless person near the post office about a month back. I have seen very few "noses" in that time but for that I might average one a month. That's it and it may (HA!) be the reason that we have done so relatively well despite being one of the first regions in the country to be affected. It is nice when the majority of people at least act like they believe in science. I would say the majority does believe in science but that is really not something I can verify and besides I really don't care whether they do or not as long as they act like they do
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Post by NancysSummerSip on Oct 24, 2020 17:17:15 GMT -5
Speaking of Covid, the Lincoln Project took a very well-aimed shot at the Trumplets: A lawyer for Ivanka Trump and Jared Kushner threatened legal action against the Lincoln Project over New York City billboards that depict the pair as showing "indifference" toward the toll of the coronavirus pandemic, according to a letter shared by the anti-Trump Republican group.
One of the ads, erected this week in Times Square, depicts a smiling Trump gesturing toward the numbers of New Yorkers and Americans who have so far died from COVID-19. In an adjacent ad, her husband is pictured along with the quote, "[New Yorkers] are going to suffer and that's their problem," attributed to him.
Sure, you two little Trump twerps, go ahead and go after the Lincoln Project. Actually, the organization's director fired right back at their little righteous indignation party: An hour after sharing the letter, the Lincoln Project responded that the "billboards will stay up" and called the White House advisers "entitled, out-of-touch bullies...The level of indignant outrage Jared Kushner and Ivanka Trump have shown towards The Lincoln Project for exposing their indifference for the more than 223,000 people who have lost their lives due to their reckless mismanagement of COVID-19 is comical," the group said in a statement.
Go ahead you two entitled brats. Call the big baby in the White House and whine about how the media is mistreating you. They're all in cahoots, those mean Lincoln people, 60 Minutes, CNN, all of them don't like you. Just waaaaaaaaah all the way to West Wing playpen and have your little temper tantrum.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Oct 24, 2020 17:26:12 GMT -5
I get out as fast as I can even when people comply. This is why when people complain about restrictions causing economic problems, they are wrong. Until the virus is controlled things will not get back to normal I do too. Gone are the days where I would shop just to see what's out there. I get what I need and get out. Get what's on my grocery list and leave. I was horribly annoyed when I went to a local hardware store and there were many not complying with the mask mandate. About half of those that did comply were were wearing their mask under their nose or chin. Social distancing was nil when I stepped back from paying at the register and stepped on some guy's foot. This is in a state where there IS high compliance! I can't imagine what it's like in a state where there is none. Just to show how much this affects spending, here it goes. We have significant discretionary income. I have not seen one of my sons since March. Normally, I would have gone at least once, my wife likely twice. Flown both times, hotel or air B and B. Multiple dinners out. Seen my son at college for parent’s weekend. Airfare, hotel, taking his friends out to dinner. Gone to nyc to see a show, hotel overnight, dinner. Maybe 2 more overnight trips. Was at my brothers beach house for a Week. Ate at home every night. Spent very little. Would have gone to beach multiple other times. Did none of that. Instead, we have cash glowed monthly tuition and his rent payments instead of taking it out of mutual funds. Our spending will not go up until I feel it is safe to travel, and I sure as hell won’t spend it somewhere that isn’t taking it seriously. Many of my colleagues have been behaving in a similar manner. We will spend for necessities but litt else for now
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Oct 24, 2020 17:39:40 GMT -5
I do too. Gone are the days where I would shop just to see what's out there. I get what I need and get out. Get what's on my grocery list and leave. I was horribly annoyed when I went to a local hardware store and there were many not complying with the mask mandate. About half of those that did comply were were wearing their mask under their nose or chin. Social distancing was nil when I stepped back from paying at the register and stepped on some guy's foot. This is in a state where there IS high compliance! I can't imagine what it's like in a state where there is none. Just to show how much this affects spending, here it goes. We have significant discretionary income. I have not seen one of my sons since March. Normally, I would have gone at least once, my wife likely twice. Flown both times, hotel or air B and B. Multiple dinners out. Seen my son at college for parent’s weekend. Airfare, hotel, taking his friends out to dinner. Gone to nyc to see a show, hotel overnight, dinner. Maybe 2 more overnight trips. Was at my brothers beach house for a Week. Ate at home every night. Spent very little. Would have gone to beach multiple other times. Did none of that. Instead, we have cash glowed monthly tuition and his rent payments instead of taking it out of mutual funds. Our spending will not go up until I feel it is safe to travel, and I sure as hell won’t spend it somewhere that isn’t taking it seriously. Many of my colleagues have been behaving in a similar manner. We will spend for necessities but litt else for now LOL! Our travel budget is quite high and I'm not booking anything for 2021 because of what we had booked in 2019 for 2020. The trips are paid, we just needed to shift dates into next year. That means we have not been paying for trips I'd normally be booking in 2020 for 2021. Next year (hopefully) we will be looking at booking in 2021 for 2022. Like your money went for tuition, our money went for house repairs. We have resided and painted the house, replaced pieces of the deck, looking at doing some structural work and bathroom and laundry room counters are getting changed out for quartz. These are all things that were on the list of house stuff we need to do in the future, but it's all done/getting done with money we are not using for travel. I guess it's good that we are supporting the local laborers, but hotels and airlines are getting zilch and restaurants a small fraction of what they'd normally be getting from us. I was chatting with a friend of mine about wanting to buy a new purse. It was waaaay more than what I'd normally spend, but as my biggest expense these days is for my Kindle, buying it is more tempting. At this point, I'm thinking 'why not'?
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Post by wvugurl26 on Oct 24, 2020 17:40:58 GMT -5
I'm not trying to take my time normally but this was faster than that. I was here probably six weeks ago and it was much better compliance wise.
Where I live it is much better. Some noses sticking out but nothing like this. It's going to be a total debacle as it gets colder.
Maybe they'll get it when they are crying about childcare because it's virtual school for their kids. In person school can change weekly based on the number of cases in the local community. And this county was right on the edge when last week's map was released.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Oct 24, 2020 17:46:23 GMT -5
I'm not trying to take my time normally but this was faster than that. I was here probably six weeks ago and it was much better compliance wise. Where I live it is much better. Some noses sticking out but nothing like this. It's going to be a total debacle as it gets colder. Maybe they'll get it when they are crying about childcare because it's virtual school for their kids. In person school can change weekly based on the number of cases in the local community. And this county was right on the edge when last week's map was released. Seattle schools have already announced that they're going to be virtual until Jan. It was in today's newspapers. I'm not sure what the local schools have planned, but we are doing better than Seattle case wise, so I can see this county opening up schools before then.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Oct 24, 2020 17:52:29 GMT -5
Just to show how much this affects spending, here it goes. We have significant discretionary income. I have not seen one of my sons since March. Normally, I would have gone at least once, my wife likely twice. Flown both times, hotel or air B and B. Multiple dinners out. Seen my son at college for parent’s weekend. Airfare, hotel, taking his friends out to dinner. Gone to nyc to see a show, hotel overnight, dinner. Maybe 2 more overnight trips. Was at my brothers beach house for a Week. Ate at home every night. Spent very little. Would have gone to beach multiple other times. Did none of that. Instead, we have cash glowed monthly tuition and his rent payments instead of taking it out of mutual funds. Our spending will not go up until I feel it is safe to travel, and I sure as hell won’t spend it somewhere that isn’t taking it seriously. Many of my colleagues have been behaving in a similar manner. We will spend for necessities but litt else for now LOL! Our travel budget is quite high and I'm not booking anything for 2021 because of what we had booked in 2019 for 2020. The trips are paid, we just needed to shift dates into next year. That means we have not been paying for trips I'd normally be booking in 2020 for 2021. Next year (hopefully) we will be looking at booking in 2021 for 2022. Like your money went for tuition, our money went for house repairs. We have resided and painted the house, replaced pieces of the deck, looking at doing some structural work and bathroom and laundry room counters are getting changed out for quartz. These are all things that were on the list of house stuff we need to do in the future, but it's all done/getting done with money we are not using for travel. I guess it's good that we are supporting the local laborers, but hotels and airlines are getting zilch and restaurants a small fraction of what they'd normally be getting from us. I was chatting with a friend of mine about wanting to buy a new purse. It was waaaay more than what I'd normally spend, but as my biggest expense these days is for my Kindle, buying it is more tempting. At this point, I'm thinking 'why not'? We are replacing our garage doors. Also had a number of unplanned medical expenses. Prostatectomy for me, fractured thumb requiring pins for my wife. Spending more on prepared food at grocery store and local shops. At least the money stays local
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Post by weltschmerz on Oct 24, 2020 17:56:02 GMT -5
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Post by dondub on Oct 24, 2020 18:01:36 GMT -5
Multiple trips cancelled including Donnadub and the Dubettes going to South Africa for a safari. They have a large credit they are nervous about. So be bought a lakefront cabin to create our own place to go to. Have had selected friends that lay low come and visit. Donnadub is there now with her sister hiking near Mt. Rainier. Thinking 2022 before leaving the country again. We have a niece and family in Stockholm, a nephew and wife in Amsterdam, and a cousin and husband in western France we we planning on visiting in 2021 but on hold. Even going to Portland to see the Dubettes is out but the lake place is almost halfway in between so we have seen them there twice. T-Day will be next time with dinner here in Seattle and then Sat./Sunday at the place. They get tested for their work on a regular basis.
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Post by Opti on Oct 24, 2020 18:12:52 GMT -5
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Oct 24, 2020 18:16:08 GMT -5
LOL! Our travel budget is quite high and I'm not booking anything for 2021 because of what we had booked in 2019 for 2020. The trips are paid, we just needed to shift dates into next year. That means we have not been paying for trips I'd normally be booking in 2020 for 2021. Next year (hopefully) we will be looking at booking in 2021 for 2022. Like your money went for tuition, our money went for house repairs. We have resided and painted the house, replaced pieces of the deck, looking at doing some structural work and bathroom and laundry room counters are getting changed out for quartz. These are all things that were on the list of house stuff we need to do in the future, but it's all done/getting done with money we are not using for travel. I guess it's good that we are supporting the local laborers, but hotels and airlines are getting zilch and restaurants a small fraction of what they'd normally be getting from us. I was chatting with a friend of mine about wanting to buy a new purse. It was waaaay more than what I'd normally spend, but as my biggest expense these days is for my Kindle, buying it is more tempting. At this point, I'm thinking 'why not'? We are replacing our garage doors. Also had a number of unplanned medical expenses. Prostatectomy for me, fractured thumb requiring pins for my wife. Spending more on prepared food at grocery store and local shops. At least the money stays local DH asked me if I wanted to get my eyes corrected for my severe nearsightedness. I'm not eligible for LASIX, but since he got had his cataract surgery and got corrected lenses, his world has changed. Unfortunately, I have no cataracts so the surgery would be 100% on our dime other than just paying for the corrective lenses implanted. Only problem is that I need to ditch my contacts for about 6 weeks in order to have my eyes stabilize enough to get a correct lens reading. What I *should* have done was ditch my contacts while we had the SIP order and by then my eyes should have stabilized. However, if we wind up with another order like this, it's now on the table!
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Post by billisonboard on Oct 24, 2020 18:35:50 GMT -5
Thom was pronounced dead at the scene. Investigators reported evidence of alcohol use by Thom, who was not wearing a seat belt, the State Patrol report said. link Seems like he gave karma a helping hand.
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Post by busymom on Oct 24, 2020 18:44:12 GMT -5
Thom was pronounced dead at the scene. Investigators reported evidence of alcohol use by Thom, who was not wearing a seat belt, the State Patrol report said. link Seems like he gave karma a helping hand. Meh. Sadly, it sounds typical. Seatbelts? Masks? Why would I wear one of those? (Maybe because I'd kind of like to grow old?)
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