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Post by steff on Aug 21, 2019 22:29:14 GMT -5
The following list is of NINE things a woman couldn’t do in 1971 – yes the date is correct, 1971.
In 1971 a woman could not:
1. Get a Credit Card in her own name – it wasn’t until 1974 that a law forced credit card companies to issue cards to women without their husband’s signature.
2. Be guaranteed that they wouldn’t be unceremoniously fired for the offense of getting pregnant – that changed with the Pregnancy Discrimination Act of *1978*!
3. Serve on a jury - It varied by state (Utah deemed women fit for jury duty way back in 1879), but the main reason women were kept out of jury pools was that they were considered the center of the home, which was their primary responsibility as caregivers. They were also thought to be too fragile to hear the grisly details of crimes and too sympathetic by nature to be able to remain objective about those accused of offenses. In 1961, the Supreme Court unanimously upheld a Florida law that exempted women from serving on juries. It wasn't until 1973 that women could serve on juries in all 50 states.
4. Fight on the front lines – admitted into military academies in 1976 it wasn’t until 2013 that the military ban on women in combat was lifted. Prior to 1973 women were only allowed in the military as nurses or support staff.
5. Get an Ivy League education - Yale and Princeton didn't accept female students until 1969. Harvard didn't admit women until 1977 (when it merged with the all-female Radcliffe College). Brown (which merged with women's college Pembroke), Dartmouth and Columbia did not offer admission to women until 1971, 1972 and 1981, respectively. Other case-specific instances allowed some women to take certain classes at Ivy League institutions (such as Barnard women taking classes at Columbia), but, by and large, women in the '60s who harbored Ivy League dreams had to put them on hold.
6. Take legal action against workplace sexual harassment. Indeed the first time a court recognized office sexual harassment as grounds for any legal action was in 1977!
7. Decide not to have sex if their husband wanted to – spousal rape wasn’t criminalized in all 50 states until 1993. Read that again...1993.
8. Obtain health insurance at the same monetary rate as a man. Sex discrimination wasn’t outlawed in health insurance until 2010 and today many, including sitting elected officials at the Federal level, feel women don’t mind paying a little more. Again, that date was 2010.
9.The birth control pill: Issues like reproductive freedom and a woman's right to decide when and whether to have children were only just beginning to be openly discussed in the 1960s. In 1957, the FDA approved of the birth control pill but only for "severe menstrual distress." In 1960, the pill was approved for use as a contraceptive. Even so, the pill was illegal in some states and could be prescribed only to married women for purposes of family planning, and not all pharmacies stocked it. Some of those opposed said oral contraceptives were "immoral, promoted prostitution and were tantamount to abortion." It wasn't until several years later that birth control was approved for use by all women, regardless of marital status. In short, birth control meant a woman could complete her education, enter the work force and plan her own life.
Oh, and one more thing, prior to 1880 the age of consent for sex was set at 10 or 12 in more states, with the exception of our neighbor Delaware – where it was 7 YEARS OLD!
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Post by steff on Aug 21, 2019 22:58:59 GMT -5
my mom couldn't rent a hotel room or a rent a car when she left my dad in the early 70's. She couldn't rent an apartment either. Her dad had to sign for her.
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 22, 2019 16:08:45 GMT -5
I heard a segment on PBS yesterday that pointed to the year 1965.
that is the year the alt-right want to return to.
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Post by Tennesseer on Aug 22, 2019 16:50:51 GMT -5
The top ten TV shows in 1965 were Bonanza, Gomer Pyle, U.S.M.C., The Lucy Show, The Red Skelton Hour, Batman, The Andy Griffith Show, 7 Bewitched, The Beverly Hillbillies, Hogan's Heroes, and Green Acres.
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Post by chiver78 on Aug 22, 2019 18:19:12 GMT -5
The top ten TV shows in 1965 were Bonanza, Gomer Pyle, U.S.M.C., The Lucy Show, The Red Skelton Hour, Batman, The Andy Griffith Show, 7 Bewitched, The Beverly Hillbillies, Hogan's Heroes, and Green Acres. I grew up in the 80s watching these shows, and while laughing as appropriate at the dates jokes once they were explained to me, I still understood it was all from a different time. too bad today's Republicans dont.
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Make America Great Again
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Post by kadee79 on Aug 23, 2019 9:56:35 GMT -5
It must have depended on where you lived....each town/city or area. I think we have had this discussion before cause I had my own credit card in about 1964-65. I rented an apartment with no one else signing & I bought a new car alone...no one else signed. I was in the LA area of Ca. at the time, but I had no problems when I returned to central Ill. either...in 1967. I rented motel rooms all across the country as I traveled alone, by car going from Ca. to Ill....returning to my roots.
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Post by OldCoyote on Aug 23, 2019 12:07:57 GMT -5
Hmmmm, Male privilege, dying in Vietnam.
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Post by billisonboard on Aug 23, 2019 12:31:59 GMT -5
Hmmmm, Male privilege, dying in Vietnam. Tricky issue. Is putting yourself in a position in which you might, and like many in our history have done, die for your country a privilege or something else?
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Post by OldCoyote on Aug 23, 2019 12:48:11 GMT -5
Hmmmm, Male privilege, dying in Vietnam. Tricky issue. Is putting yourself in a position in which you might, and like many in our history have done, die for your country a privilege or something else? Well I am always being told about that male privilege I possess, here was an example that applied at the time.
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Post by steff on Aug 23, 2019 13:00:03 GMT -5
Male privilege. coming home between tours of Viet Nam & beating your wife & toddler daughter. Then going back to Nam & escaping any repercussions from beating them. Abuse happened on base & Marine Corp does nothing to help abused wife.
Wife then tries to leave abuser & can't rent a hotel, can't rent a car, can't get a bank account & eventually has to have her father come 1/2 way across the country to help her.
Male survives Viet Nam, never pays child support, doesn't see child again until she's a teenager, takes off in the middle of the night after a few months & never sees her again, never knows he has a grandson. Male privilege.
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The socialization process experienced by both males and females in this country creates some major challenges for both genders.
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Post by NoNamePerson on Aug 23, 2019 13:45:26 GMT -5
I had a credit card in my name and also birth control pills before I got married. I was married in 64. Served on jury in 70 also. Interesting about some of the other no no’s. Seems like being married was the deciding factor in some cases. Interesting article.
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Male privilege. coming home between tours of Viet Nam & beating your wife & toddler daughter. Then going back to Nam & escaping any repercussions from beating them. Abuse happened on base & Marine Corp does nothing to help abused wife.
Wife then tries to leave abuser & can't rent a hotel, can't rent a car, can't get a bank account & eventually has to have her father come 1/2 way across the country to help her.
Male survives Viet Nam, never pays child support, doesn't see child again until she's a teenager, takes off in the middle of the night after a few months & never sees her again, never knows he has a grandson. Male privilege.
I have no idea of your history or that of your mom's, but I am wondering if the main reason she couldn't rent a hotel or a car was lack of income or credit history. a lot of women back then didn't work. If you don't work you have nothing to get a credit card with (a credit card company will not issue to someone with zero income unless she is relying on the income of her husband...which gets us back to relying on a man). I'm a landlord. If a woman wants to rent an apartment but she has no income and no credit, she is not getting the apartment without a co-signor who has good credit and the means to pay if she doesn't.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Aug 23, 2019 14:36:31 GMT -5
I had a credit card in my name and also birth control pills before I got married. I was married in 64. Served on jury in 70 also. Interesting about some of the other no no’s. Seems like being married was the deciding factor in some cases. Interesting article. I keep coming back to was it the fact that women got married and quit their jobs and then had no income. I wouldn't give a credit card to someone that doesn't have any means to pay it back. To this day, if a woman wants to use her husband's income to qualify for any kind of credit, he would have to co-sign...does that mean we are a throw-back to the 1950s? Or is it more that only people that can pay back debt will actually qualify for said debt?
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Male privilege. coming home between tours of Viet Nam & beating your wife & toddler daughter. Then going back to Nam & escaping any repercussions from beating them. Abuse happened on base & Marine Corp does nothing to help abused wife.
Wife then tries to leave abuser & can't rent a hotel, can't rent a car, can't get a bank account & eventually has to have her father come 1/2 way across the country to help her.
Male survives Viet Nam, never pays child support, doesn't see child again until she's a teenager, takes off in the middle of the night after a few months & never sees her again, never knows he has a grandson. Male privilege.
I have no idea of your history or that of your mom's, but I am wondering if the main reason she couldn't rent a hotel or a car was lack of income or credit history. a lot of women back then didn't work. If you don't work you have nothing to get a credit card with (a credit card company will not issue to someone with zero income unless she is relying on the income of her husband...which gets us back to relying on a man). I'm a landlord. If a woman wants to rent an apartment but she has no income and no credit, she is not getting the apartment without a co-signor who has good credit and the means to pay if she doesn't. I've never had a company ask me for income or credit history to rent a car or hotel room. If someone did, I'd turn around and leave. I'll spend my money elsewhere.
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Tricky issue. Is putting yourself in a position in which you might, and like many in our history have done, die for your country a privilege or something else? Well I am always being told about that male privilege I possess, here was an example that applied at the time. When I was a teenager in the late 70's/early 80's If being handed all the privileges of being male could have been bought by joining the military - I would have done it in a heart beat. Taking the chance of losing my life would have been worth it. I grew up very cognizant of being a second class citizen because I was female - and I wanted more than "get married, have kids, that's what women do. It doesn't matter if you are happy or not. It's what you do. "
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Post by Tiny on Aug 23, 2019 16:08:24 GMT -5
Perhaps it depends on where you live and what the culture is. In 1996 when I started house shopping as a single woman quite a few eyebrows were raised AND I got "helpful" comments to not be too dissappointed when the real estate agents wouldn't work very hard for me and the banks wouldn't give me a mortgage.
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I have no idea of your history or that of your mom's, but I am wondering if the main reason she couldn't rent a hotel or a car was lack of income or credit history. a lot of women back then didn't work. If you don't work you have nothing to get a credit card with (a credit card company will not issue to someone with zero income unless she is relying on the income of her husband...which gets us back to relying on a man). I'm a landlord. If a woman wants to rent an apartment but she has no income and no credit, she is not getting the apartment without a co-signor who has good credit and the means to pay if she doesn't. I've never had a company ask me for income or credit history to rent a car or hotel room. If someone did, I'd turn around and leave. I'll spend my money elsewhere. Because you need a credit card to rent a room or a car. If you try to get a credit cars but have zero income or credit, you need a co-signor. Women that rely on men for their financial security have to accept that they will also need to rely on them for credit. That isn’t sexism.
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I had a credit card in my name and also birth control pills before I got married. I was married in 64. Served on jury in 70 also. Interesting about some of the other no no’s. Seems like being married was the deciding factor in some cases. Interesting article. I keep coming back to was it the fact that women got married and quit their jobs and then had no income. I wouldn't give a credit card to someone that doesn't have any means to pay it back. To this day, if a woman wants to use her husband's income to qualify for any kind of credit, he would have to co-sign...does that mean we are a throw-back to the 1950s? Or is it more that only people that can pay back debt will actually qualify for said debt? Not sure of answer but I had credit in my name going into marriage and credit in my name when I exited the marriage. I guess I knew the importance of certain thing in case I wound up on the curb one day. But also one who pretty much depended on myself even when married. Learned at very early age who I could depend on.
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Post by thyme4change on Aug 23, 2019 17:57:21 GMT -5
Well I am always being told about that male privilege I possess, here was an example that applied at the time. When I was a teenager in the late 70's/early 80's If being handed all the privileges of being male could have been bought by joining the military - I would have done it in a heart beat. Taking the chance of losing my life would have been worth it. I grew up very cognizant of being a second class citizen because I was female - and I wanted more than "get married, have kids, that's what women do. It doesn't matter if you are happy or not. It's what you do. " My Grandmother's progressive statement was that I could become a teacher or a nurse. I would suck so bad at either of those. I am not patient and I lack empathy (not to mention I hate sick people and don't like kids that much.) But, if I wanted to be "more than a wife and mother" my options were wide open, as long as they were being a nurse or a teacher.
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I have no idea of your history or that of your mom's, but I am wondering if the main reason she couldn't rent a hotel or a car was lack of income or credit history. a lot of women back then didn't work. If you don't work you have nothing to get a credit card with (a credit card company will not issue to someone with zero income unless she is relying on the income of her husband...which gets us back to relying on a man). I'm a landlord. If a woman wants to rent an apartment but she has no income and no credit, she is not getting the apartment without a co-signor who has good credit and the means to pay if she doesn't. I've never had a company ask me for income or credit history to rent a car or hotel room. If someone did, I'd turn around and leave. I'll spend my money elsewhere. Rental car co. would not rent to me when I did not have a credit card.
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I've never had a company ask me for income or credit history to rent a car or hotel room. If someone did, I'd turn around and leave. I'll spend my money elsewhere. Because you need a credit card to rent a room or a car. If you try to get a credit cars but have zero income or credit, you need a co-signor. Women that rely on men for their financial security have to accept that they will also need to rely on them for credit. That isn’t sexism. You can rent both by putting enough cash down. I've seen people do it. I've put people in rental cars paying cash down working auto claims. It can be done.
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Because you need a credit card to rent a room or a car. If you try to get a credit cars but have zero income or credit, you need a co-signor. Women that rely on men for their financial security have to accept that they will also need to rely on them for credit. That isn’t sexism. You can rent both by putting enough cash down. I've seen people do it. I've put people in rental cars paying cash down working auto claims. It can be done. I’ve never been able to rent a room or a car without putting a credit card on deposit. Even when I wanted to pay cash for a hotel room their policy was a credit card had to go on the room for damages. I. D.o.n.t think the norm is for a hotel or car rental to accept cash only.
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Because you need a credit card to rent a room or a car. If you try to get a credit cars but have zero income or credit, you need a co-signor. Women that rely on men for their financial security have to accept that they will also need to rely on them for credit. That isn’t sexism. You can rent both by putting enough cash down. I've seen people do it. I've put people in rental cars paying cash down working auto claims. It can be done. traveltips.usatoday.com/rent-car-using-debit-card-21123.htmlWith good credit and a debit card you might be able to rent a car. But if you have no credit and your husband freezes the debit card (which is what I would do in the event of divorce if I had a joint account) you are out of luck. And I can’t imagine any hotel, other than a no-tell motel, would accept cash.
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Post by steff on Aug 23, 2019 19:31:29 GMT -5
Good grief. "Debit cards" weren't even a thing in the early 70's. The point isn't about what happens TODAY, it's how long it took to get to TODAY.
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 23, 2019 19:32:09 GMT -5
Tricky issue. Is putting yourself in a position in which you might, and like many in our history have done, die for your country a privilege or something else? Well I am always being told about that male privilege I possess, here was an example that applied at the time. did you read the OP? because it seems like you might have missed it.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Aug 23, 2019 20:01:51 GMT -5
Good grief. "Debit cards" weren't even a thing in the early 70's. The point isn't about what happens TODAY, it's how long it took to get to TODAY.
My point was that even today a woman with no credit and no income will have to rely on someone. That’s why women should always be self sufficient.
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You can rent both by putting enough cash down. I've seen people do it. I've put people in rental cars paying cash down working auto claims. It can be done. traveltips.usatoday.com/rent-car-using-debit-card-21123.htmlWith good credit and a debit card you might be able to rent a car. But if you have no credit and your husband freezes the debit card (which is what I would do in the event of divorce if I had a joint account) you are out of luck. And I can’t imagine any hotel, other than a no-tell motel, would accept cash. I can't remember the name of the hotel where I saw the guy do it, but I don't stay just anyplace. I don't do budget inns. It was a few years ago. One of the guys in the training group I was in paid cash and didn't put down a credit card. ETA: I've always used a debit card in lieu of a credit card to rent both hotels and cars.
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