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Post by steff on Aug 23, 2019 20:14:23 GMT -5
I swear. the point was never about TODAY. It was about how long it took to get to the way things are today.
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Post by andi9899 on Aug 23, 2019 20:19:09 GMT -5
I swear. the point was never about TODAY. It was about how long it took to get to the way things are today.
I get it. I was just responding to MT to tell her that what I was saying could be done. I too think it's BS that it took as long as it did for women to be granted rights.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Aug 23, 2019 20:20:56 GMT -5
traveltips.usatoday.com/rent-car-using-debit-card-21123.htmlWith good credit and a debit card you might be able to rent a car. But if you have no credit and your husband freezes the debit card (which is what I would do in the event of divorce if I had a joint account) you are out of luck. And I can’t imagine any hotel, other than a no-tell motel, would accept cash. I can't remember the name of the hotel where I saw the guy do it, but I don't stay just anyplace. I don't do budget inns. It was a few years ago. One of the guys in the training group I was in paid cash and didn't put down a credit card. ETA: I've always used a debit card in lieu of a credit card to rent both hotels and cars. But again, your original post said with enough cash down. Now you are changing it to a debit card. Would a woman with no income have her own debit card (not linked to a joint account that the husband could just drain? Because I would shut it down if I were getting divorce and my soon-to-be ex was on an account with the money I earned).
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Post by Miss Tequila on Aug 23, 2019 20:22:09 GMT -5
I swear. the point was never about TODAY. It was about how long it took to get to the way things are today.
You keep saying that but I’m saying how I can see that same situation happening today. If women want to live like the 1950s they are going to be in the same situation as the women in the 1950s.
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Post by andi9899 on Aug 23, 2019 20:23:36 GMT -5
I can't remember the name of the hotel where I saw the guy do it, but I don't stay just anyplace. I don't do budget inns. It was a few years ago. One of the guys in the training group I was in paid cash and didn't put down a credit card. ETA: I've always used a debit card in lieu of a credit card to rent both hotels and cars. But again, your original post said with enough cash down. Now you are changing it to a debit card. Would a woman with no income have her own debit card (not linked to a joint account that the husband could just drain? Because I would shut it down if I were getting divorce and my soon-to-be ex was on an account with the money I earned). I didn't change to anything. Read what I wrote again. I said a DIFFERENT person in the group I was in paid cash with no card. Then I edited to say that I always use a debit card. I'm not a person with no income.
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Post by steff on Aug 23, 2019 20:33:08 GMT -5
I swear. the point was never about TODAY. It was about how long it took to get to the way things are today.
You keep saying that but I’m saying how I can see that same situation happening today. If women want to live like the 1950s they are going to be in the same situation as the women in the 1950s. You are putting the blame on the women when back then, they had no choice because they weren't allowed to do certain things. My mom had a job back then. She worked while my dad was in Nam. She worked when she rented an apartment after she left him. But she still wasn't allowed to do the things she needed to in order to start her life over after marriage.
Yes, there are choices now. There weren't choices then. THAT IS THE POINT. Stop trying to apply today's world to a discussion on how it used to be. The entire thing is about how long it took for women to get even basic control over financial areas of their lives.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Aug 23, 2019 20:35:09 GMT -5
But again, your original post said with enough cash down. Now you are changing it to a debit card. Would a woman with no income have her own debit card (not linked to a joint account that the husband could just drain? Because I would shut it down if I were getting divorce and my soon-to-be ex was on an account with the money I earned). I didn't change to anything. Read what I wrote again. I said a DIFFERENT person in the group I was in paid cash with no card. Then I edited to say that I always use a debit card. I'm not a person with no income. I don’t think I implied you were someone with no income. I’m talking about women with no income and no way to get credit. They do put themselves in a position where they have to rely on someone else. Which says some women haven’t really come that far since the days of those in the OP. That’s the biggest reason women in domestic violence situations stay...totally reliant on a man with no resources to leave.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Aug 23, 2019 20:36:45 GMT -5
You keep saying that but I’m saying how I can see that same situation happening today. If women want to live like the 1950s they are going to be in the same situation as the women in the 1950s. You are putting the blame on the women when back then, they had no choice because they weren't allowed to do certain things. My mom had a job back then. She worked while my dad was in Nam. She worked when she rented an apartment after she left him. But she still wasn't allowed to do the things she needed to in order to start her life over after marriage.
Yes, there are choices now. There weren't choices then. THAT IS THE POINT. Stop trying to apply today's world to a discussion on how it used to be. The entire thing is about how long it took for women to get even basic control over financial areas of their lives.
Except there are women in this thread who had different experiences than your mom. They had jobs and credit cards and bank accounts. So I was offering up possible reasons why a woman couldn’t get those things. I said early on I didn’t know your mom’s history
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Post by steff on Aug 23, 2019 20:40:09 GMT -5
Not worth the effort I'm out
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Post by OldCoyote on Aug 23, 2019 20:49:03 GMT -5
Well I am always being told about that male privilege I possess, here was an example that applied at the time. did you read the OP? because it seems like you might have missed it. 1971?
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Post by laterbloomer on Aug 23, 2019 23:37:48 GMT -5
Hmmmm, Male privilege, dying in Vietnam. It is a priviledge. The reality is women barely have the right to die for your country (and many are raped while serving) and the gays are banned from doing it. The patriarchy is afraid of giving women and gays guns and training them to kill their enemies.
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Post by andi9899 on Aug 24, 2019 8:22:51 GMT -5
Somehow I double posted.
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Post by andi9899 on Aug 24, 2019 8:24:03 GMT -5
I didn't change to anything. Read what I wrote again. I said a DIFFERENT person in the group I was in paid cash with no card. Then I edited to say that I always use a debit card. I'm not a person with no income. I don’t think I implied you were someone with no income. I’m talking about women with no income and no way to get credit. They do put themselves in a position where they have to rely on someone else. Which says some women haven’t really come that far since the days of those in the OP. That’s the biggest reason women in domestic violence situations stay...totally reliant on a man with no resources to leave. I didn't say you did. You said I changed my story. I pointed out that I did not. ETA: There is always a shelter if someone really wanted to get away from an abuser. Women generally stay with them because they are afraid of them and what they will do if they leave.
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Post by andi9899 on Aug 24, 2019 8:30:34 GMT -5
Not worth the effort I'm out
Same.
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Post by OldCoyote on Aug 24, 2019 8:49:10 GMT -5
Hmmmm, Male privilege, dying in Vietnam. It is a priviledge. The reality is women barely have the right to die for your country (and many are raped while serving) and the gays are banned from doing it. The patriarchy is afraid of giving women and gays guns and training them to kill their enemies. 58220 total deaths for Vietnam war, It is a priviledge.
Wonder how many that died, considered it a privilege?
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Post by NoNamePerson on Aug 24, 2019 9:42:21 GMT -5
My last comment on 1971 is that I had a 5 yr old kid!
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Post by mmhmm on Aug 24, 2019 9:49:55 GMT -5
Hmmmm, Male privilege, dying in Vietnam. You might want to look up a gal named Sharon Lane. There were plenty of females serving in Viet Nam and their lives were also at risk. Sharon happened to be the only one of those 11K women who paid the ultimate price; however, serving in a field hospital was no picnic. It was female nurse privilege and was so considered by many.
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Post by NoNamePerson on Aug 24, 2019 9:53:15 GMT -5
Well, I lied about last post. billisonboard I had never heard that song since don’t hear lots of country music. I just wanted to let you know you made a mean ole lady tear up. I’ve been to Arlington. It was a moving experience to say the least.
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Post by Tennesseer on Aug 24, 2019 10:03:08 GMT -5
It is a priviledge. The reality is women barely have the right to die for your country (and many are raped while serving) and the gays are banned from doing it. The patriarchy is afraid of giving women and gays guns and training them to kill their enemies. 58220 total deaths for Vietnam war, It is a priviledge.
Wonder how many that died, considered it a privilege?
I wonder how many of the Newtown, CT, Las Vegas, Orlando, El Paso, etc. shooting victims thought it was a privelidge to support the Second Amendment by being murdered or injured.
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Post by OldCoyote on Aug 24, 2019 10:11:10 GMT -5
58220 total deaths for Vietnam war, It is a priviledge.
Wonder how many that died, considered it a privilege?
I wonder how many of the Newtown, CT, Las Vegas, Orlando, El Paso, etc. shooting victims thought it was a privelidge to support the Second Amendment by being murdered or injured. Out of the blue you come up with that, I thought this was about 1971, based on how badly women were treated. I suggested that the men were privileged by being drafted, dying in Vietnam.
Out of the blue come Tenn.
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Post by Tennesseer on Aug 24, 2019 10:12:48 GMT -5
I wonder how many of the Newtown, CT, Las Vegas, Orlando, El Paso, etc. shooting victims thought it was a privelidge to support the Second Amendment by being murdered or injured. Out of the blue you come up with that, I thought this was about 1971, based on how badly women were treated. I suggested that the men were privileged by being drafted, dying in Vietnam.
Out of the blue come Tenn.
Are we not speaking of privilege?
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Post by billisonboard on Aug 24, 2019 10:15:11 GMT -5
Out of the blue you come up with that, I thought this was about 1971, based on how badly women were treated. I suggested that the men were privileged by being drafted, dying in Vietnam.
Out of the blue come Tenn.
Are we not speaking of privilege? My reaction to your post was the same as OC's.
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Post by Tennesseer on Aug 24, 2019 10:22:39 GMT -5
Are we not speaking of privilege? My reaction to your post was the same as OC's. Live with it. At least those who served and died in Vietnam knew there was a possibility they might not return alive. Those shootings I mentioned had zero idea they would not return alive. Yet we still go to war and we still have mass shootings where people die.
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Post by billisonboard on Aug 24, 2019 10:43:26 GMT -5
My reaction to your post was the same as OC's. Live with it. ... Certainly.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Aug 24, 2019 11:16:42 GMT -5
My last comment on 1971 is that I had a 5 yr old kid! I was born in 1971!lol
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Post by Miss Tequila on Aug 24, 2019 11:20:39 GMT -5
Hmmmm, Male privilege, dying in Vietnam. You might want to look up a gal named Sharon Lane. There were plenty of females serving in Viet Nam and their lives were also at risk. Sharon happened to be the only one of those 11K women who paid the ultimate price; however, serving in a field hospital was no picnic. It was female nurse privilege and was so considered by many. 2.2 million men were drafted during Vietnam but women were excluded from the draft. The fact that women had a choice not to go to war but men didn’t does show privilege. If we want true equality we need to admit where women benefited as well.
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Post by steff on Aug 24, 2019 11:40:03 GMT -5
Not every man that went to Viet Nam was drafted. My dad volunteered to go, he wasn't drafted.
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Post by NoNamePerson on Aug 24, 2019 12:34:41 GMT -5
My last comment on 1971 is that I had a 5 yr old kid! I was born in 1971!lol 71 was a good year then.
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Some time back in the 1980s, my mom told be about being not being able to open a checking account in her own name sometime after being married (in 1963).
The next time that I see her, I'll be pressing for details as to when she was declined and whether she had a checking account as a single woman.
There's something about how she told the story, or perhaps how I interpreted it, that has always led me to believe that she would have been approved if she had been single.
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