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Post by hurley1980 on Jun 21, 2019 11:27:28 GMT -5
Maybe they could, if they weren't already working 3 part time, low paying jobs trying to stay afloat.
Not everyone is smart enough to get a scholarship and not everyone is born into a wealthy enough family they can get financial help (or even just a place to live) while attending school to better themselves.
I only know a few people working part time here in SC we are booming with manufacturing not all position require a college degree just a decent work attitude you know willing to work 60 hrs if needed.come to work on time don't call out you know real workers. Hell..I had a entry level position raised to 15.50 hr just to get more foot traffic, even with that sadly I'll go thru 12 people before I get 1 that wants to work So what about those people who can't move to where the factories are? My little cousin and his wife are both CNA's in California, which pays crap money. They have 3 kids, including one they adopted because his drug addicted brother went to jail. They get food stamps, which is fine with me, because they are both working hard and doing the best they can with what was given to them. They pay their rent, they take care of their kids...one which they stopped from going into the foster system. They don't drink or smoke. But both of them were born into pretty white trash families, and college was just never something they thought was an option for them. They both barely graduated high school. There aren't any manufacturing jobs in the small town they live in. And I'm not sure they could do the work anyway. They are not in any way lazy, but they were never going to cut it as a lawyer or and engineer.
I wish you would realize that there just aren't enough good jobs for all of the adults in this country, and some people are going to be relying on assistance. Until better pay becomes a real thing, this is the way it will be.
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Post by swamp on Jun 21, 2019 11:30:35 GMT -5
I only know a few people working part time here in SC we are booming with manufacturing not all position require a college degree just a decent work attitude you know willing to work 60 hrs if needed.come to work on time don't call out you know real workers. Hell..I had a entry level position raised to 15.50 hr just to get more foot traffic, even with that sadly I'll go thru 12 people before I get 1 that wants to work So what about those people who can't move to where the factories are? My little cousin and his wife are both CNA's in California, which pays crap money. They have 3 kids, including one they adopted because his drug addicted brother went to jail. They get food stamps, which is fine with me, because they are both working hard and doing the best they can with what was given to them. They pay their rent, they take care of their kids...one which they stopped from going into the foster system. They don't drink or smoke. But both of them were born into pretty white trash families, and college was just never something they thought was an option for them. They both barely graduated high school. There aren't any manufacturing jobs in the small town they live in. And I'm not sure they could do the work anyway. They are not in any way lazy, but they were never going to cut it as a lawyer or and engineer.
I wish you would realize that there just aren't enough good jobs for all of the adults in this country, and some people are going to be relying on assistance. Until better pay becomes a real thing, this is the way it will be.
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Post by weltschmerz on Jun 21, 2019 12:16:32 GMT -5
Maybe they could, if they weren't already working 3 part time, low paying jobs trying to stay afloat.
Not everyone is smart enough to get a scholarship and not everyone is born into a wealthy enough family they can get financial help (or even just a place to live) while attending school to better themselves.
I only know a few people working part time here in SC we are booming with manufacturing not all position require a college degree just a decent work attitude you know willing to work 60 hrs if needed.come to work on time don't call out you know real workers. Hell..I had a entry level position raised to 15.50 hr just to get more foot traffic, even with that sadly I'll go thru 12 people before I get 1 that wants to work Right. You expect a single woman with 3 kids in daycare to work 60 hours a week.
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Post by thyme4change on Jun 21, 2019 14:23:41 GMT -5
Yes, wouldn’t it be nice if companies like Wal*Mart had to pay a living wage so 25% of it’s employees wouldn’t need govt. assistance(which is simply corporate welfare which Repo-Cons support while at the same time abhorring it for We The People.) Or wouldn't it be better if people would take responsibility for themselves and work more to better themselves Not everyone can do that. Half our population is below average. Plus, we need janitors and whatever. Not everyone can be CEO.
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Post by ednkris on Jun 21, 2019 17:33:44 GMT -5
I only know a few people working part time here in SC we are booming with manufacturing not all position require a college degree just a decent work attitude you know willing to work 60 hrs if needed.come to work on time don't call out you know real workers. Hell..I had a entry level position raised to 15.50 hr just to get more foot traffic, even with that sadly I'll go thru 12 people before I get 1 that wants to work That's curious, because one of our associates went on vacation down near there, on the mainland and then over to Kitty Hawk. He says he saw some of the most squalid rural poverty you can imagine. People living right up against animal waste lagoons, and stink so bad you could taste it. Never been there but here in the upstate I can list 100 manufacturers that is always hiring..no squalid conditions around...all I'm saying is most people maybe not all but most can work hard and better themselves
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Post by happyhoix on Jun 21, 2019 17:45:57 GMT -5
That's curious, because one of our associates went on vacation down near there, on the mainland and then over to Kitty Hawk. He says he saw some of the most squalid rural poverty you can imagine. People living right up against animal waste lagoons, and stink so bad you could taste it. Never been there but here in the upstate I can list 100 manufacturers that is always hiring..no squalid conditions around...all I'm saying is most people maybe not all but most can work hard and better themselves When you assume all the people who slip from middle class to lower class, or from lower class to poverty are simply lazy and could work harder but won't, it gives you the lovely opportunity to stop giving a shit about them.
It makes it so much easier to drive past homeless encampments or people with signs begging on the side of the road when you're convinced neither you nor anyone you know would ever end up in that situation because everyone you know works hard.
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Post by kadee79 on Jun 21, 2019 19:54:49 GMT -5
I've driven thru some of S.C. on a 2 lane highway...sorry but there has been poverty obvious in every small town or settlement we went thru. If you can't see it you aren't looking. And it's the same thing in N.C. too and in parts of nearly ever state in this country. You just have to get off the main routes and LOOK!
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Post by OldCoyote on Jun 21, 2019 21:14:50 GMT -5
Why don't they go to work for some one that pays a living wage? Instead of Walmart?
Like where? A manufacturing plant? Sorry, they have all been automated and don't need people. Call centers? They are gone too. Construction? Those wages have been cut by an influx of people - most them legal. Plus that work is not steady. Brain surgeon? Sure. That is a viable alternative. Let the market determine the level of wages.
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Post by OldCoyote on Jun 21, 2019 21:28:08 GMT -5
It seems that as I have been repeatedly call stupid, ignorant, dumb and several catchy phrases,
I don't seem to have any trouble making a living wage, So why does all those super smart people have trouble making a so call decent living?
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Post by thyme4change on Jun 22, 2019 12:09:01 GMT -5
Like where? A manufacturing plant? Sorry, they have all been automated and don't need people. Call centers? They are gone too. Construction? Those wages have been cut by an influx of people - most them legal. Plus that work is not steady. Brain surgeon? Sure. That is a viable alternative. Let the market determine the level of wages. If the market didn't rely on the government to subsidize the workers, I would. But the market is manipulated against workers.
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Post by thyme4change on Jun 22, 2019 15:55:56 GMT -5
Thinking more about Old Coyote's statement. I don't believe it is mathematically possible for everyone to make above average wages.
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Post by justme on Jun 22, 2019 16:49:51 GMT -5
It's not. It's a bell curve, or at least should be with a large population. Unfortunately wage wise our country hasn't been a bell curve in a while.
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Post by OldCoyote on Jun 22, 2019 22:00:39 GMT -5
Thinking more about Old Coyote's statement. I don't believe it is mathematically possible for everyone to make above average wages. it is called "average" wages for a reason.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 23, 2019 20:01:03 GMT -5
Yes, wouldn’t it be nice if companies like Wal*Mart had to pay a living wage so 25% of it’s employees wouldn’t need govt. assistance(which is simply corporate welfare which Repo-Cons support while at the same time abhorring it for We The People.) Or wouldn't it be better if people would take responsibility for themselves and work more to better themselves it would be better still if they had the same opportunities to do so today as in 1973.
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Post by dondub on Jun 24, 2019 11:16:09 GMT -5
Yes, wouldn’t it be nice if companies like Wal*Mart had to pay a living wage so 25% of it’s employees wouldn’t need govt. assistance(which is simply corporate welfare which Repo-Cons support while at the same time abhorring it for We The People.) Or wouldn't it be better if people would take responsibility for themselves and work more to better themselves Either you are massively naïve about Americans, or live in some disaffected zone of meth heads and losers. That you have just supported a multi=billion dollar company in receiving corporate welfare by underpaying those same hard working Americans that HAVE taken responsibility for themselves is telling.
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Post by phil5185 on Jun 24, 2019 12:39:28 GMT -5
companies like Wal*Mart had to pay a living wage
And you have just supported price and wage fixing. Check with Russia about how well Central Planning worked in the USSR.
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Post by dondub on Jun 24, 2019 13:05:45 GMT -5
Well you support our government subsidizing corporations underpaying workers so as to increase their profits. That’s fascism.
I support people being paid enough they don’t need your tax dollars to pay for government assistance programs. Go ahead and call that whatever you want.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2019 13:10:59 GMT -5
Match the claim to the date: President Donald Trump said Thursday that his administration would have “great health plans” coming out within four weeks. Trump says he will roll out new health care plan in next couple of months May 2018June 2019In these great health plans, will we be able to keep our insurance, if we are happy with it and like it ? I've heard lots of promises on insurance, all around. (Just trying to get back on the insurance topic.)
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 24, 2019 13:36:38 GMT -5
companies like Wal*Mart had to pay a living wage
And you have just supported price and wage fixing. Check with Russia about how well Central Planning worked in the USSR.
I support minimum standards for labor. that includes pay.
lest we become Indonesia.
edit: phil5185- you know that Jefferson was opposed to corporations as they exist today, right? so was Smith. it is one thing to be pro-capitalist, such as myself. it is another to not support living wages, such as you.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 24, 2019 13:38:11 GMT -5
Well you support our government subsidizing corporations underpaying workers so as to increase their profits. That’s fascism. I support people being paid enough they don’t need your tax dollars to pay for government assistance programs. Go ahead and call that whatever you want. that is precisely it.
you either believe in a vibrant economy where ALL citizens share in the wealth of the nation, OR
you think that corporations should disproportionately share in the wealth, and the GuvMint should pick up the tab.
that is really the only two options we got.
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Post by dondub on Jun 24, 2019 14:40:03 GMT -5
Why so many of our fellow citizens choose #2 has befuddled me for years.
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Post by phil5185 on Jun 24, 2019 15:31:43 GMT -5
""you either believe in a vibrant economy where ALL citizens share in the wealth of the nation, OR
you think that corporations should disproportionately share in the wealth, and the GuvMint should pick up the tab.""
You do know that the citizens own the corporations? And I'm not sure how anyone would think that corps disproportionately share in wealth, their share of revenue is typically in the 8% to 12% range, payroll (citizens) takes the lion's share.
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Post by weltschmerz on Jun 24, 2019 16:02:36 GMT -5
""you either believe in a vibrant economy where ALL citizens share in the wealth of the nation, OR
you think that corporations should disproportionately share in the wealth, and the GuvMint should pick up the tab.""
You do know that the citizens own the corporations? And I'm not sure how anyone would think that corps disproportionately share in wealth, their share of revenue is typically in the 8% to 12% range, payroll (citizens) takes the lion's share.
If the citizens who work at Walmart OWN Walmart, why are they on food stamps, medicaid and subsidized housing? It costs taxpayers 6.2 billion dollars to support them.
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Post by kadee79 on Jun 24, 2019 16:33:21 GMT -5
""you either believe in a vibrant economy where ALL citizens share in the wealth of the nation, OR
you think that corporations should disproportionately share in the wealth, and the GuvMint should pick up the tab.""
You do know that the citizens own the corporations? And I'm not sure how anyone would think that corps disproportionately share in wealth, their share of revenue is typically in the 8% to 12% range, payroll (citizens) takes the lion's share.
If the citizens who work at Walmart OWN Walmart, why are they on food stamps, medicaid and subsidized housing? It costs taxpayers 6.2 billion dollars to support them. Oh yes, citizens own Walmart....hahaha.... www.investopedia.com/articles/insights/060416/top-4-walmart-shareholders-wmt.asp
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Post by dondub on Jun 24, 2019 16:47:18 GMT -5
Perhaps if Wal*Mart paid enough so employees didn't require government assistance programs to survive, they might be able to buy a share or two at the current $111/sh.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 24, 2019 17:11:13 GMT -5
""you either believe in a vibrant economy where ALL citizens share in the wealth of the nation, OR
you think that corporations should disproportionately share in the wealth, and the GuvMint should pick up the tab.""
You do know that the citizens own the corporations? And I'm not sure how anyone would think that corps disproportionately share in wealth, their share of revenue is typically in the 8% to 12% range, payroll (citizens) takes the lion's share.
Of course. I own (6) corporations, Phil.
I did say ALL citizens.
you are not sure how corporations disproportionately share the wealth? really. well, I am here to tell you that they absolutely do. my corporations are far wealthier than your average citizen. period. ALL of them are. ALL. every....one.
I don't understand your comment about revenue. it has nothing to do with wealth. two separate things. this is balance sheet stuff, not income and expense report stuff.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 24, 2019 17:12:05 GMT -5
""you either believe in a vibrant economy where ALL citizens share in the wealth of the nation, OR
you think that corporations should disproportionately share in the wealth, and the GuvMint should pick up the tab.""
You do know that the citizens own the corporations? And I'm not sure how anyone would think that corps disproportionately share in wealth, their share of revenue is typically in the 8% to 12% range, payroll (citizens) takes the lion's share.
If the citizens who work at Walmart OWN Walmart, why are they on food stamps, medicaid and subsidized housing? It costs taxpayers 6.2 billion dollars to support them. because they don't own WalMart. it would be easier to say that WalMart owns them.
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Post by happyhoix on Jun 24, 2019 17:13:53 GMT -5
""you either believe in a vibrant economy where ALL citizens share in the wealth of the nation, OR
you think that corporations should disproportionately share in the wealth, and the GuvMint should pick up the tab.""
You do know that the citizens own the corporations? And I'm not sure how anyone would think that corps disproportionately share in wealth, their share of revenue is typically in the 8% to 12% range, payroll (citizens) takes the lion's share.
I understand it's a limited number of citizens that own the corporations.
Only 52 percent of Americans own any stock.
Top 1% of households own 38% of the stocks.
Doesn't sound like 'we the people' are sharing the wealth of the nation, does it?
www.npr.org/2017/03/01/517975766/while-trump-touts-stock-market-many-americans-left-out-of-the-conversation
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 24, 2019 17:20:24 GMT -5
""you either believe in a vibrant economy where ALL citizens share in the wealth of the nation, OR
you think that corporations should disproportionately share in the wealth, and the GuvMint should pick up the tab.""
You do know that the citizens own the corporations? And I'm not sure how anyone would think that corps disproportionately share in wealth, their share of revenue is typically in the 8% to 12% range, payroll (citizens) takes the lion's share.
I understand it's a limited number of citizens that own the corporations.
Only 52 percent of Americans own any stock.
Top 1% of households own 38% of the stocks.
Doesn't sound like 'we the people' are sharing the wealth of the nation, does it?
www.npr.org/2017/03/01/517975766/while-trump-touts-stock-market-many-americans-left-out-of-the-conversation
precisely. this has been studied in detail. the top 10% own 80% of equities. the bottom 10% have negative net worth.
those are the numbers. let's not debate them.
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Post by happyhoix on Jun 25, 2019 7:02:02 GMT -5
Speaking of 'promises again' - a study of those areas of the country that 'flipped' to Trump in the 2016 election found that they are struggling economically, and that will be a problem for Trump's re-election, as he tries to convince the nation that they're all better off with 'his' economy. www.axios.com/2020-presidential-election-flipped-counties-economic-trouble-7550d8a1-1951-4606-bde4-47f7d8d2e836.html
The Dems need to focus on how Trump did not 'create' a great economy, but merely road the Obama wave, and when Trump talks about how 'his' economy is the best 'maybe in history' they need to go back just a few short years to Clinton's economy, which was doing several percentage points better than we are today.
Trump lies and brags constantly about 'his' economy because that's what's going to win him re-election. Dems need to do a better job of spreading the facts.
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