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Post by justme on Jun 18, 2019 23:53:06 GMT -5
I'm STILL waiting for the great healthcare plan the GOP was sitting on during the Obama Administration. As I suspected, they probably never had one. Sort of like that blank piece of paper our POTUS was holding up on the Mexico deal the other day... Here's the great healthcare plan! Buy your drugs from Canada! So much for "Buy American!" Republican lawmakers, led by Florida Governor Ron DeSantis, recently voted to pass a proposal to import cheaper, price-controlled drugs from Canada as a way to help its growing population of seniors who can’t afford medications. The plan, which was a key plank of DeSantis’ legislative agenda, still needs to be approved by the federal Health and Human Services Department before it can be implemented. U.S. President Donald Trump, who promised that the Republicans would be “the party of great health care,” supports the proposal. www.ctvnews.ca/world/importing-prescription-drugs-from-canada-could-get-green-light-in-florida-1.4419251Maybe that's why that asshole banned non existent Florida sanctuary cities. Appeal to trump so he'll push this other thing through. And then let him put a tariff on it.
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Post by happyhoix on Jun 19, 2019 7:35:57 GMT -5
""Of course there was also a complaint that too many boomer children are going to college too easily and jacking up the cost with student loans ( please explain that one)"""
That was mostly a supply and demand issue. In 1948 and thru the 1950s the flood of returning GIs filled the colleges. Shortly after came the societal change that all kids needed to go to college if they were to be successful. So most post-war kids were sent to college by their mostly blue-collar parents - ie, a major longterm bubble of students for multiple decades. So yeah, that decades long flood of students resulted in huge demands (and costs) on universities - classrooms, dorms, instructors. So tuition costs shot up to pay for the new demands. And student loans were invented to meet the higher costs, that new easy money fed the beast. Ever more students, ever higher tuition, ever higher student loans.
Ever bigger gap between students who have the resources to go to college and poor students who have to take on a lot of debt to pay for an education - and that's a State college or community college education. Going to an elite ivy league school is now financially not an option for anyone except the very wealthy, or middle class/poor kids who were able to get some kind of scholarship.
So lower class kids get to pick between a bunch of student loan debt, or working 2 - 3 minimum wage jobs to a livable income. Even this option will disappear in the next couple of decades as robotics eliminate a significant number of blue collar jobs, like truck drivers, taxi drivers, fast food employees, retail, etc. There simply won't be enough jobs for the uneducated to each work 2 - 3.
When the playing field becomes obviously unequal, and only a few people end up always succeeding, the rest of the players want to quit the game completely. Sometimes that happens quietly, usually it doesn't.
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Post by phil5185 on Jun 19, 2019 11:41:56 GMT -5
""As a small businessman I was always anti-union, and certainly when it came to my business. But the excesses of some union achievements in the 1960's have been overtaken by the fall of the unions. The gains of the worker post WWII have been all but wiped out. Some can't see beyond the type of job one holds. But sometimes those are the only jobs available to the person."""
I got a serious douse of anti-union early when I was a fresh-out engineer. I was performing a vibration test on a piece of Space Gear. A tech was operating the tester and we had 4 Air Force people witnessing the test. On Friday about 6:00P we were almost finished - the AF folks were anxious to catch their plane home. A fan belt broke on the tester. The tech called Maintenance, no one there. I took the broken belt, drove to a nearby auto parts store, and bought a belt. I took off the guard, installed the belt, put the guard back on, and plugged in the fan motor. And we finished the test - all is well, right??
A few days later I was called into the 'head shed', the Director of Engineering needed to counsel me. A Union grievance said that I should have had an electrician turn off the power, a sheet metal tech should have removed to guard, Purchasing should have requisitioned a belt from a certified supplier - and on & on.
The process was inconceivable to me, it would have taken a couple weeks to get a fan belt and get all of those people scheduled. (I grew up on a farm, when something broke you fixed it and got back out to the field.)
In the 50+ years since that incident, I have developed a small amount of patience for unions. But I think the UAW was a major player in driving the auto manufacturing industry out of Detroit and into Japan in the 1970s. Ironically, unions in Japan, Germany, Canada, etc work comparatively well with management - to the benefit of both Labor & Management.
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Post by happyhoix on Jun 19, 2019 11:58:16 GMT -5
""As a small businessman I was always anti-union, and certainly when it came to my business. But the excesses of some union achievements in the 1960's have been overtaken by the fall of the unions. The gains of the worker post WWII have been all but wiped out. Some can't see beyond the type of job one holds. But sometimes those are the only jobs available to the person."""
I got a serious douse of anti-union early when I was a fresh-out engineer. I was performing a vibration test on a piece of Space Gear. A tech was operating the tester and we had 4 Air Force people witnessing the test. On Friday about 6:00P we were almost finished - the AF folks were anxious to catch their plane home. A fan belt broke on the tester. The tech called Maintenance, no one there. I took the broken belt, drove to a nearby auto parts store, and bought a belt. I took off the guard, installed the belt, put the guard back on, and plugged in the fan motor. And we finished the test - all is well, right??
A few days later I was called into the 'head shed', the Director of Engineering needed to counsel me. A Union grievance said that I should have had an electrician turn off the power, a sheet metal tech should have removed to guard, Purchasing should have requisitioned a belt from a certified supplier - and on & on.
The process was inconceivable to me, it would have taken a couple weeks to get a fan belt and get all of those people scheduled. (I grew up on a farm, when something broke you fixed it and got back out to the field.)
In the 50+ years since that incident, I have developed a small amount of patience for unions. But I think the UAW was a major player in driving the auto manufacturing industry out of Detroit and into Japan in the 1970s. Ironically, unions in Japan, Germany, Canada, etc work comparatively well with management - to the benefit of both Labor & Management.
Actually, they were correct in that you should have disconnected the power from the unit before replacing the belt - that's OSHA 101, actually. The fact that you didn't know you needed to do it indicated you didn't have LOTO training. If the belt had started up when you were replacing it, amputating one of your fingers, it would have triggered an OSHA site visit and significant fines for the company. Same thing with the guarding - at our plant, only people with specific training in guarding are allowed to remove fixed guards.
Maybe you came in with the mindset that you had the skill set to fix anything in the plant yourself, but as a safety professional, you're the #1 most dangerous employee to have around, not just to yourself, but to your co-workers. I have a feeling you got counseled not just for doing a union job, but for ignoring the plant safety rules.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 19, 2019 12:39:46 GMT -5
Of course there was also a complaint that too many boomer children are going to college too easily and jacking up the cost with student loans ( please explain that one) at the same time commenting on people getting an education and making something of themselves. This is similar to how Trump plays both sides of an issue/non issue. here is what I don't get.
prior to 1973, we had a strong union environment. because of that, collective bargaining was a strategic tool that could be used to pry productivity gains out of corporations and distribute them to the people that were responsible for them. since that time, unions have been decimated, with the upper class cheering it (and, unbelievably, some of the lower class, as well). this has meant that the ONLY tool left for increasing the standard of living for the poor was government, because industry has nobody else to answer to any more.
well, they fixed that problem. we now have a plutocracy.
let the race to the bottom begin. America is Ghana in 20 years.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2019 12:47:20 GMT -5
Because all those poor people overthrowing our government and stock market would really mess with my life. We need to keep them complacent. They are self complacent. That's why the top ten percent aren't really worrying. If they don't have the drive to better themselves...
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 19, 2019 12:48:43 GMT -5
""Of course there was also a complaint that too many boomer children are going to college too easily and jacking up the cost with student loans ( please explain that one)"""
That was mostly a supply and demand issue. In 1948 and thru the 1950s the flood of returning GIs filled the colleges. Shortly after came the societal change that all kids needed to go to college if they were to be successful. So most post-war kids were sent to college by their mostly blue-collar parents - ie, a major longterm bubble of students for multiple decades. So yeah, that decades long flood of students resulted in huge demands (and costs) on universities - classrooms, dorms, instructors. So tuition costs shot up to pay for the new demands. And student loans were invented to meet the higher costs, that new easy money fed the beast. Ever more students, ever higher tuition, ever higher student loans.
huh?
my mom and dad didn't pay a red cent for college. I paid about $25k. my son is going to cost about $100k.
you have it completely backwards. college was once free. it could be again. instead, we are not only taxing boomers, but their children, grandchildren, etc- AND CHARGIN G INTEREST. it is a system that devalues education, rising standards of living, and a debt free life. what kind of society is that?
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Post by dondub on Jun 19, 2019 12:52:17 GMT -5
Because all those poor people overthrowing our government and stock market would really mess with my life. We need to keep them complacent. They are self complacent. That's why the top ten percent aren't really worrying. If they don't have the drive to better themselves... What a clueless post. I think you are lying. Everyone lies.
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Post by dondub on Jun 19, 2019 12:53:56 GMT -5
Of course there was also a complaint that too many boomer children are going to college too easily and jacking up the cost with student loans ( please explain that one) at the same time commenting on people getting an education and making something of themselves. This is similar to how Trump plays both sides of an issue/non issue. here is what I don't get.
prior to 1973, we had a strong union environment. because of that, collective bargaining was a strategic tool that could be used to pry productivity gains out of corporations and distribute them to the people that were responsible for them. since that time, unions have been decimated, with the upper class cheering it (and, unbelievably, some of the lower class, as well). this has meant that the ONLY tool left for increasing the standard of living for the poor was government, because industry has nobody else to answer to any more.
well, they fixed that problem. we now have a plutocracy.
let the race to the bottom begin. America is Ghana in 20 years.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 19, 2019 12:57:31 GMT -5
Because all those poor people overthrowing our government and stock market would really mess with my life. We need to keep them complacent. They are self complacent. That's why the top ten percent aren't really worrying. as much as I hate to agree, @x is right. I am not worried.
but that is because I have an exit strategy.
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Post by dondub on Jun 19, 2019 12:59:24 GMT -5
here is what I don't get.
prior to 1973, we had a strong union environment. because of that, collective bargaining was a strategic tool that could be used to pry productivity gains out of corporations and distribute them to the people that were responsible for them. since that time, unions have been decimated, with the upper class cheering it (and, unbelievably, some of the lower class, as well). this has meant that the ONLY tool left for increasing the standard of living for the poor was government, because industry has nobody else to answer to any more.
well, they fixed that problem. we now have a plutocracy.
let the race to the bottom begin.
America is Ghana in 20 years. How true. The real "takers" are all elements that have worked to stagnate wages, with the end result of destroying our middle class. Anyone that can't see that is either complicit or clueless. Thus we now have millions of children going to bed every night with food insecurity. We have 40% of families that can't handle a $400 emergency. We still have millions with no health insurance. 60,000 homeless live on the streets of LA. Yet the Repo-Con POTUS tax cuts have continued to plunge us ever deeper in debt while the gated community market has thrived as they prepare themselves for the inevitable social unrest. Fortunately for them their stupid wars have created militarized police forces with combat experience. Well done!
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Post by swamp on Jun 19, 2019 13:01:42 GMT -5
Yes, wouldn’t it be nice if companies like Wal*Mart had to pay a living wage so 25% of it’s employees wouldn’t need govt. assistance(which is simply corporate welfare which Repo-Cons support while at the same time abhorring it for We The People.) But my dividends!!!! My portfolio!!!! You monster!!!!
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 19, 2019 13:08:25 GMT -5
here is what I don't get.
prior to 1973, we had a strong union environment. because of that, collective bargaining was a strategic tool that could be used to pry productivity gains out of corporations and distribute them to the people that were responsible for them. since that time, unions have been decimated, with the upper class cheering it (and, unbelievably, some of the lower class, as well). this has meant that the ONLY tool left for increasing the standard of living for the poor was government, because industry has nobody else to answer to any more.
well, they fixed that problem. we now have a plutocracy.
let the race to the bottom begin.
America is Ghana in 20 years. How true. The real "takers" are all elements that have worked to stagnate wages, with the end result of destroying our middle class. Anyone that can't see that is either complicit or clueless. Thus we now have millions of children going to bed every night with food insecurity. We have 40% of families that can't handle a $400 emergency. We still have millions with no health insurance. 60,000 homeless live on the streets of LA. Yet the Repo-Con POTUS tax cuts have continued to plunge us ever deeper in debt while the gated community market has thrived as they prepare themselves for the inevitable social unrest. Fortunately for them their stupid wars have created militarized police forces with combat experience. Well done! what we have in the US is a country of people that are as economically vulnerable as many Africans are, but have air conditioned 5 bedroom free standing homes. it is actually really weird. but this sort of weirdness will correct itself. it has to. in one of two ways. either:
a) American workers will rise up and take claim to their stolen productivity gains or b) American industry will drive the stake in the heart of the American worker and send America into a death spiral for workers.
I really don't see a third way, and neither (a) or (b) is good for me, as a businessman. so I am outy.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 19, 2019 13:11:52 GMT -5
Yes, wouldn’t it be nice if companies like Wal*Mart had to pay a living wage so 25% of it’s employees wouldn’t need govt. assistance(which is simply corporate welfare which Repo-Cons support while at the same time abhorring it for We The People.) But my dividends!!!! My portfolio!!!! You monster!!!! not to make this an international discussion, but consider this:
the only thing it would take to raise the standard of living from "poverty" to "living" wage for Indonesian workers is for Nike to cut it's dividend 50% mind you, dividends are not necessary. it is excess profit paid to investors. many corporations pay no dividends. so, what we basically see in Nike is them rewarding investors and starving their workers. and the history of how this was done (how these workers came to Nike in the first place) is, imo, no better than slavery.
does anyone think that the future in the US looks any different without the protection of government?
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Jun 19, 2019 13:40:02 GMT -5
France and Russia might have some insight into what happens when the wealth gap gets too big.
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Post by swamp on Jun 19, 2019 13:41:12 GMT -5
France and Russia might have some insight into what happens when the wealth gap gets too big. But they aren't "Murica. We can't learn nothing from them commies.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Jun 19, 2019 13:45:44 GMT -5
France and Russia might have some insight into what happens when the wealth gap gets too big. But they aren't "Murica. We can't learn nothing from them commies. You're right. Louis XVI and the Romanovs are total ancient history, that could NEVER happen in good ole 'Merica.
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Post by phil5185 on Jun 19, 2019 14:10:32 GMT -5
"" Actually, they were correct in that you should have disconnected the power from the unit before replacing the belt - that's OSHA 101, actually. The fact that you didn't know you needed to do it indicated you didn't have LOTO training. If the belt had started up when you were replacing it, amputating one of your fingers, it would have triggered an OSHA site visit and significant fines for the company. Same thing with the guarding - at our plant, only people with specific training in guarding are allowed to remove fixed guards. """
Yes, I disconnected the power. This was several years before OSHA was invented. But some of us actually knew about safety before OSHA.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 19, 2019 17:19:50 GMT -5
France and Russia might have some insight into what happens when the wealth gap gets too big. But they aren't "Murica. We can't learn nothing from them commies. this is the distilled essence of why I have given up.
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Post by billisonboard on Jun 19, 2019 18:26:14 GMT -5
... Is there still any room for enlightened capitalism in the future? A great question. Sadly, I think it takes an event like WWII in which officers and enlisted relied on each other for survival for there to be an appreciation of the contributions of management and labor.
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Post by happyhoix on Jun 20, 2019 7:14:30 GMT -5
"" Actually, they were correct in that you should have disconnected the power from the unit before replacing the belt - that's OSHA 101, actually. The fact that you didn't know you needed to do it indicated you didn't have LOTO training. If the belt had started up when you were replacing it, amputating one of your fingers, it would have triggered an OSHA site visit and significant fines for the company. Same thing with the guarding - at our plant, only people with specific training in guarding are allowed to remove fixed guards. """
Yes, I disconnected the power. This was several years before OSHA was invented. But some of us actually knew about safety before OSHA.
Plenty of company owners also knew about safety prior to OSHA, but it was cheaper, for the bottom line, to forgo any safety rules, guards, training, etc and just replace workers when they got maimed or killed.
That's one of the main reasons for unions, and the entire reason OSHA was established. To create a monetary/criminal reason for company owners to comply with safe work practices.
So not just the business owner, but all the company employees could go home undamaged at the end of the day.
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Post by phil5185 on Jun 20, 2019 8:49:36 GMT -5
"""Plenty of company owners also knew about safety prior to OSHA, but it was cheaper, for the bottom line, to forgo any safety rules, guards, training, etc and just replace workers when they got maimed or killed. That's one of the main reasons for unions, and the entire reason OSHA was established. To create a monetary/criminal reason for company owners to comply with safe work practices.
So not just the business owner, but all the company employees could go home undamaged at the end of the day.""
Agreed. I wasn't complaining about OSHA, just pointing out that my incident happened long before OSHA was invented. I, too, got to go home undamaged at the end of the day - for over 35 years.
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Post by happyhoix on Jun 20, 2019 11:04:57 GMT -5
"""Plenty of company owners also knew about safety prior to OSHA, but it was cheaper, for the bottom line, to forgo any safety rules, guards, training, etc and just replace workers when they got maimed or killed. That's one of the main reasons for unions, and the entire reason OSHA was established. To create a monetary/criminal reason for company owners to comply with safe work practices.
So not just the business owner, but all the company employees could go home undamaged at the end of the day.""
Agreed. I wasn't complaining about OSHA, just pointing out that my incident happened long before OSHA was invented. I, too, got to go home undamaged at the end of the day - for over 35 years. So far, I have always been able to do that, too.
In the not so distant past, that wasn't so. Both my FIL and my grandfather were missing fingers from machine operations. FIL lost half his first and second fingers on his left hand on a press, and the foundry nurse stitched them shut and sent him home with some aspirin. Very common, pre union/pre OSHA, and if you didn't like it, you were free to work someplace else, which also didn't give a rats ass about you.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2019 8:40:08 GMT -5
France and Russia might have some insight into what happens when the wealth gap gets too big. But they aren't "Murica. We can't learn nothing from them commies. America has wealthy attorneys, and wealthy wardogs. I don't won't to learn anything from commies, after watching the USSR fail in real time. Today's commie fail is Venezuela.
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Post by OldCoyote on Jun 21, 2019 8:59:12 GMT -5
Yes, wouldn’t it be nice if companies like Wal*Mart had to pay a living wage so 25% of it’s employees wouldn’t need govt. assistance(which is simply corporate welfare which Repo-Cons support while at the same time abhorring it for We The People.) Why don't they go to work for some one that pays a living wage? Instead of Walmart?
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Post by thyme4change on Jun 21, 2019 10:09:35 GMT -5
Yes, wouldn’t it be nice if companies like Wal*Mart had to pay a living wage so 25% of it’s employees wouldn’t need govt. assistance(which is simply corporate welfare which Repo-Cons support while at the same time abhorring it for We The People.) Why don't they go to work for some one that pays a living wage? Instead of Walmart?
Like where? A manufacturing plant? Sorry, they have all been automated and don't need people. Call centers? They are gone too. Construction? Those wages have been cut by an influx of people - most them legal. Plus that work is not steady. Brain surgeon? Sure. That is a viable alternative.
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Post by happyhoix on Jun 21, 2019 10:35:57 GMT -5
Why don't they go to work for some one that pays a living wage? Instead of Walmart?
Like where? A manufacturing plant? Sorry, they have all been automated and don't need people. Call centers? They are gone too. Construction? Those wages have been cut by an influx of people - most them legal. Plus that work is not steady. Brain surgeon? Sure. That is a viable alternative. 10 more years, even Walmart won't be a viable option. Automated warehouses will keep track of their contents, automated pickers will restock the shelves, automated check out stations will check you out. Big box stores and grocery stores will be reduced to a couple guys in back making sure the machines don't break down. Even the security guard will be automated.
The future is bright for megatronic engineers and robotic techs, but we won't need several million of them. So what will all the old retail and fast food job holders do, when they can't even get a job at Walmart or McDonalds?
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Post by ednkris on Jun 21, 2019 10:42:16 GMT -5
Yes, wouldn’t it be nice if companies like Wal*Mart had to pay a living wage so 25% of it’s employees wouldn’t need govt. assistance(which is simply corporate welfare which Repo-Cons support while at the same time abhorring it for We The People.) Or wouldn't it be better if people would take responsibility for themselves and work more to better themselves
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Post by happyhoix on Jun 21, 2019 10:50:51 GMT -5
Yes, wouldn’t it be nice if companies like Wal*Mart had to pay a living wage so 25% of it’s employees wouldn’t need govt. assistance(which is simply corporate welfare which Repo-Cons support while at the same time abhorring it for We The People.) Or wouldn't it be better if people would take responsibility for themselves and work more to better themselves Maybe they could, if they weren't already working 3 part time, low paying jobs trying to stay afloat.
Not everyone is smart enough to get a scholarship and not everyone is born into a wealthy enough family they can get financial help (or even just a place to live) while attending school to better themselves.
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Post by ednkris on Jun 21, 2019 11:00:07 GMT -5
Or wouldn't it be better if people would take responsibility for themselves and work more to better themselves Maybe they could, if they weren't already working 3 part time, low paying jobs trying to stay afloat.
Not everyone is smart enough to get a scholarship and not everyone is born into a wealthy enough family they can get financial help (or even just a place to live) while attending school to better themselves.
I only know a few people working part time here in SC we are booming with manufacturing not all position require a college degree just a decent work attitude you know willing to work 60 hrs if needed.come to work on time don't call out you know real workers. Hell..I had a entry level position raised to 15.50 hr just to get more foot traffic, even with that sadly I'll go thru 12 people before I get 1 that wants to work
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