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Post by weltschmerz on Jan 16, 2019 17:04:51 GMT -5
Get Mexico to pay for the wall? I fully think that will as he promised. He did not say they will just cut a check. We may have to put up the money and get it from Mexico on the back end Actually, he did. In an April 2016 memo, Trump’s campaign outlined the steps he could take to get Mexico to pay for the wall. "It's an easy decision for Mexico: make a one-time payment of $5-10 billion to ensure that $24 billion continues to flow into their country year after year," the memo said. www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2019/jan/10/donald-trump/trump-claims-he-never-meant-mexico-would-write-che/
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Post by dondub on Jan 16, 2019 17:13:06 GMT -5
Dodd-Frank, aka Lawyers Full Employment Act of 2010.
Antidote for Gramm~Leach~Bliley is more like it.
Try page 574 of Alan Greenspan's book Capitalism in America.
Well I googled it as I don't own the book but it didn't work.
Although I must say that Greenspan was the only Repo that even came close to admitting that his party was responsible for the BushCo. Crash in 2008. Afterall, they were in control of all branches of government and had Big Al in charge at the Fed pushing the cheap money policies creating "irrational exuberance" and a bubbled housing market in conjunction with what became possible from GBL.
How many lawyers did all of that take Phil?
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Post by Opti on Jan 16, 2019 18:24:55 GMT -5
The US rapidly became greatest society in the world - and in only 240 years. Innovation - steam, railroads, telegraph, radio, vast spaces, natural resources, right to own property, laws, a financial system, freedoms. Capitalism spurted & flourished when a society became free of the space & regulatory constraints of European Society. Capitalism is highly dependent upon Creative Destruction. Whenever an innovation is actualized, it replaces/destroys entire industries. To build cars, you needed to destroy the horse industry, the jobs of harness makers, farriers, livery barns. Trains destroyed the stagecoach businesses. Electricity replaced lanterns, gas engines in factories, steam power in factories. Milking machines displaced milkmaids. Refrigerators replaced ice chests (daily ice delivery). Automation/Computers replaced all kinds of menial laboring jobs, house work, cooking, etc. And 1000s of other examples of innovations that destroyed/replaced the 'old' ways. And in nearly all cases, years later the new generation would not want to go back to the old ways. Politically, the US has been moving toward Socialism - avoiding innovation, trying to keep the status-quo, avoiding the creative destruction of existing systems. A recent example is the financial system, the 22,000 Dodd Frank regulations almost stopped the flow of capital that feeds innovation & business. Another eg is climate control - the Left wants to write a carbon-tax Law. So - if the price of getting rid of anti-business, anti-capitalist, regulatory overreach requires that I hear a few vulgarities, crude remarks, and some exaggerations, I'm happy to pay the price. As for the Far-Left count of 'actual' lies (what is it, about 6000 now?) - I have no trouble with that at all. Sorry folks, a misstatement and an exaggeration do not count as lies. I'm very pleased with what Pres Trump is doing for us - but I am saddened that most people seem to be unable to grasp that. Adam Smith was opposed to the idea of private land ownership. Abraham Lincoln had a Marxist giving him economic advice. Thomas Jefferson was opposed to corporations that were endowed with unlimited lifetimes. He was also opposed to the Federal Government having a permanent military of any kind.
from where I sit, liberal ideas are what most of the founders believed in. if you believe as I do, this idea that we are "getting back to" some earlier time of pure capitalist goodness is just silly. there never was such a time.
there WAS, however, a time when our government paid it's bills, largely minded it's own business, and let others do the same. there was a time when each citizen prepared for war according to his ability, and THAT was our national defense. there was a time when worker and owner shared equally in the blessings of free enterprise. I would very much like to get back to that time, but Trump is pretty much the opposite of that as far as I can tell.
I think some folks have a very romantic notion of what the US is, and was and a very unrealistic view of what Europe and other places are and were in the past. Because of Phil's post I did some research on steam power yesterday. The first commercial application wasn't even in the US (in England actually) and was explored in various times and countries. Innovation isn't the sole province of any style of government. To believe capitalism is this holy grail of everything I think requires disregarding history and putting on the pro-business glasses or the business over people goggles. Innovation occurs because people exist and want to solve problems. Otherwise, in capitalism fairyland, apparently we all roved around like hunter gathers all our lives until somehow magically people avoiding religious persecution came to the US, and very shortly lots of capitalism nuggets allegedly started be created here. I guess it was magic and dumb luck the boats even existed to bring our forefathers here.
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Post by billisonboard on Jan 16, 2019 19:34:43 GMT -5
... a stupid number. Anything less than 4 bll ... What makes $4B a "smart" number? What exactly will that number provide? What won't $3.99B or $2.6B or $1.3B provide specifically? A few hundred feet fewer of fencing? A few inches of height on the wall?
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Post by grumpyhermit on Jan 16, 2019 20:36:48 GMT -5
... a stupid number. Anything less than 4 bll ... What makes $4B a "smart" number? What exactly will that number provide? What won't $3.99B or $2.6B or $1.3B provide specifically? A few hundred feet fewer of fencing? A few inches of height on the wall? That's the most baffling part of Trump's magic wall to me. How on earth can he estimate the cost if the design keeps changing, they haven't done site surveys...nothing. That's not how you run a massive construction and engineering project. He has basically pulled a number from nowhere, run with it. Even if you support a wall, I don't know how you support this phantom number.
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Post by billisonboard on Jan 16, 2019 20:50:12 GMT -5
What makes $4B a "smart" number? What exactly will that number provide? What won't $3.99B or $2.6B or $1.3B provide specifically? A few hundred feet fewer of fencing? A few inches of height on the wall? That's the most baffling part of Trump's magic wall to me. How on earth can he estimate the cost if the design keeps changing, they haven't done site surveys...nothing. That's not how you run a massive construction and engineering project. He has basically pulled a number from nowhere, run with it. Even if you support a wall, I don't know how you support this phantom number. Because it is a "smart" number.
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Post by tallguy on Jan 16, 2019 21:17:05 GMT -5
The thing to keep in mind is that $5.7B is in no way the final number for what Trump wants. It is a down payment. They say maybe $25B by the time it would be built, but even that is a guess. It could easily expand to be double that or more.
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Post by Value Buy on Jan 16, 2019 21:28:22 GMT -5
sorry.....what the heck are you talking about? Well it starts with understanding who are "they". That would be those people who have a family connection to Mexico and therefore send money back to relatives there. This "they" should not be confused with people who have family connections to Canada or European countries and send money to them. Those people will not have a special tax placed on them. Should we assume "they" represent illegal immigrants working here, and not legal immigrants who are working here legally? (I do not care whether they get taxed or not. Not my ox to gore.)
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Post by billisonboard on Jan 17, 2019 0:53:38 GMT -5
Well it starts with understanding who are "they". That would be those people who have a family connection to Mexico and therefore send money back to relatives there. This "they" should not be confused with people who have family connections to Canada or European countries and send money to them. Those people will not have a special tax placed on them. Should we assume "they" represent illegal immigrants working here, and not legal immigrants who are working here legally? ... I am not sure how you determine that dollar "X" going to Mexico is being sent by an illegal immigrant, a legal immigrant, or a fifth generation American citizen.
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Post by steff on Jan 17, 2019 1:14:07 GMT -5
Here's a stumper for the followers. What is the purpose/payoff for blocking sanctions against Russian oligarch Oleg Deripaska?
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Post by zibazinski on Jan 17, 2019 5:20:24 GMT -5
Should we assume "they" represent illegal immigrants working here, and not legal immigrants who are working here legally? ... I am not sure how you determine that dollar "X" going to Mexico is being sent by an illegal immigrant, a legal immigrant, or a fifth generation American citizen. Don’t care. Money to Mexico is money to Mexico. Illegals are included as are non illegals. Mexico is the problem that needs solving at the moment. The overstaying the visas is another problem. Certainly not handled correctly either. No one should be allowed in this country without a return ticket and where they are staying. This is how other decent countries handle it. You don’t just waltz in and stay. No one should be allowed in unless they are healthy and have a job waiting or someone to totally support them. This coming in and getting on the public tit is bullshit. Don’t know when it started but needs to be stopped.
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Post by thyme4change on Jan 17, 2019 8:30:11 GMT -5
Non illegals? Lol. You ain't gotta not do that
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Post by swamp on Jan 17, 2019 8:46:50 GMT -5
I am not sure how you determine that dollar "X" going to Mexico is being sent by an illegal immigrant, a legal immigrant, or a fifth generation American citizen. Don’t care. Money to Mexico is money to Mexico. Illegals are included as are non illegals. Mexico is the problem that needs solving at the moment. The overstaying the visas is another problem. Certainly not handled correctly either. No one should be allowed in this country without a return ticket and where they are staying. This is how other decent countries handle it. You don’t just waltz in and stay. No one should be allowed in unless they are healthy and have a job waiting or someone to totally support them. This coming in and getting on the public tit is bullshit. Don’t know when it started but needs to be stopped. How do you get a return ticket if you drive here? And, actually Canada does let me waltz in, just based on my word. I do it all the time. They trust me to leave when I said I would.
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Post by happyhoix on Jan 17, 2019 9:38:57 GMT -5
Your neighbors are getting their stuff stolen by illegal Mexicans?
Because you make it sound like the only people we have to fear are the ones coming over the border.
I didn't insinuate that. Maybe we do have alot here all I know proper security I worth every penny My point was, keeping every illegal from crossing the border will not make us safe in our homes. We have plenty of home grown criminals.
The far right media likes to highlight media stories about Mexican gang activity, but that's something like 1% of the violence that happens in our country. Statistically, illegal aliens are less likely to commit a crime (they're afraid they'll get arrested and deported) than our own American punks.
But if you watch Fox news, Mexican gangs have taken over the country, spreading drugs and raping white girls, and NONE of that would happened if we build the wall - I'm wondering if you think the same thing?
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Post by billisonboard on Jan 17, 2019 9:49:57 GMT -5
... Mexico is the problem that needs solving at the moment. ... At this moment I see other bad situations in our country as more important. I would prefer we spend the $25B plus on building and staffing drug treatment facilities. The "crisis" of our Southern Border is manufactured.
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Post by tbop77 on Jan 17, 2019 10:06:24 GMT -5
Anyone crying for the parents, brothers, sisters, children of these people? Should be spend $25 billion to build a wall around Purdue Pharma: Over the past two decades, more than 200,000 people have died in the United States from overdoses involving prescription opioids. States and cities continue to file a wave of lawsuits against Purdue Pharma and other opioid manufacturers and distributors. www.nytimes.com/2018/05/29/health/purdue-opioids-oxycontin.html
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Post by phil5185 on Jan 17, 2019 11:48:05 GMT -5
I'm not nearly as cynical as you are. I agree with your assessments of history, we have all seen and studied them in detail - but as an engineer and middle manager in industry for 35 years, I have seen nothing but strong efforts to fix the very problems that you cite. We learned that driving workers to work faster was counterproductive, instead we ask what new equipment can we buy for you that will make your job easier. And changing processes to avoid pollution, and clean existing pollution. You see many SP500 companies that use solar panels - not to save money but to reduce pollution. (solar doesn't actually save much money, but it avoids tapping into a coal-fired power plant). And there is still plenty of work left to do on the pollution front.
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Post by thyme4change on Jan 17, 2019 11:57:33 GMT -5
Don’t care. Money to Mexico is money to Mexico. Illegals are included as are non illegals. Mexico is the problem that needs solving at the moment. The overstaying the visas is another problem. Certainly not handled correctly either. No one should be allowed in this country without a return ticket and where they are staying. This is how other decent countries handle it. You don’t just waltz in and stay. No one should be allowed in unless they are healthy and have a job waiting or someone to totally support them. This coming in and getting on the public tit is bullshit. Don’t know when it started but needs to be stopped. How do you get a return ticket if you drive here? And, actually Canada does let me waltz in, just based on my word. I do it all the time. They trust me to leave when I said I would. I don't think student visas require a return ticket, nor visas for employment, as that would be difficult. Neither Australia nor Great Britainhas a return ticket requirement - even if you are going for a vacation. I'm sure there are countries out that have different requirements, but it isn't like every civilized country in the world has this requirement, and we are over here being dumb and not having that same rule. Although, the argument that 'every developed country in the world provides healthcare, and we are over here being dumb and not doing it' never gets anywhere, so I'm not sure why all of a sudden what other countries do is A+ and we stink. Maybe he will detail out which countries have what - maybe one of those grids, so we can really compare.
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Post by grumpyhermit on Jan 17, 2019 12:12:32 GMT -5
How do you get a return ticket if you drive here? And, actually Canada does let me waltz in, just based on my word. I do it all the time. They trust me to leave when I said I would. I don't think student visas require a return ticket, nor visas for employment, as that would be difficult. Neither Australia nor Great Britainhas a return ticket requirement - even if you are going for a vacation. I'm sure there are countries out that have different requirements, but it isn't like every civilized country in the world has this requirement, and we are over here being dumb and not having that same rule. Although, the argument that 'every developed country in the world provides healthcare, and we are over here being dumb and not doing it' never gets anywhere, so I'm not sure why all of a sudden what other countries do is A+ and we stink. Maybe he will detail out which countries have what - maybe one of those grids, so we can really compare. They don't. You have x number of days to leave the country after the school terminates a student's program. After that its on Immigration to track and do what they do if someone doesn't leave as they should.
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Post by swamp on Jan 17, 2019 12:44:32 GMT -5
I don't think student visas require a return ticket, nor visas for employment, as that would be difficult. Neither Australia nor Great Britainhas a return ticket requirement - even if you are going for a vacation. I'm sure there are countries out that have different requirements, but it isn't like every civilized country in the world has this requirement, and we are over here being dumb and not having that same rule. Although, the argument that 'every developed country in the world provides healthcare, and we are over here being dumb and not doing it' never gets anywhere, so I'm not sure why all of a sudden what other countries do is A+ and we stink. Maybe he will detail out which countries have what - maybe one of those grids, so we can really compare. They don't. You have x number of days to leave the country after the school terminates a student's program. After that its on Immigration to track and do what they do if someone doesn't leave as they should. I went to school in Canada for a semester. I had a 6 month student visa. I guess they are issued in 6 month increments.
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Post by tallguy on Jan 17, 2019 12:55:27 GMT -5
I am not sure how you determine that dollar "X" going to Mexico is being sent by an illegal immigrant, a legal immigrant, or a fifth generation American citizen. Don’t care. Money to Mexico is money to Mexico. Illegals are included as are non illegals. Mexico is the problem that needs solving at the moment. The overstaying the visas is another problem. Certainly not handled correctly either. No one should be allowed in this country without a return ticket and where they are staying. This is how other decent countries handle it. You don’t just waltz in and stay. No one should be allowed in unless they are healthy and have a job waiting or someone to totally support them. This coming in and getting on the public tit is bullshit. Don’t know when it started but needs to be stopped. No. The Mexico "crisis" is manufactured to rile up conservatives. The fact is that net migration from Mexico (or of Mexicans) has been flat or negative for years. The fact is that crime by immigrants is lower than by American citizens. You will recall I am on record many times here saying that every person here illegally should be deported, but this "crisis" has been made up to scare people (who are prone to fear anyway) to vote a certain way. This wall idea will prove to be ineffective and wasteful, and will serve to keep just as many trapped inside as kept outside if it is built. Right now there are people going back too. That is why net migration from Mexico is negative. If anyone in power really cared about getting rid of illegal immigration they would go after the employers. Large monetary fines and criminal charges up to and including prison time for anyone who hires an illegal, applying to both corporate management and the hiring managers making the decisions, would dry up the flow quickly. They will never do that, because too many people benefit. And the ones who benefit...ain't the common folk. For politicians, illegal immigration is far more important as an issue to be kept alive than it is as a problem to be solved.
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Post by swasat on Jan 17, 2019 12:57:24 GMT -5
I am not sure how you determine that dollar "X" going to Mexico is being sent by an illegal immigrant, a legal immigrant, or a fifth generation American citizen. Don’t care. Money to Mexico is money to Mexico. Illegals are included as are non illegals. Mexico is the problem that needs solving at the moment. The overstaying the visas is another problem. Certainly not handled correctly either. No one should be allowed in this country without a return ticket and where they are staying. This is how other decent countries handle it. You don’t just waltz in and stay. No one should be allowed in unless they are healthy and have a job waiting or someone to totally support them. This coming in and getting on the public tit is bullshit. Don’t know when it started but needs to be stopped. Says the woman who has owned up here, ON YM, that they offered no health insurance to their employees when they owned the business. So it was fine and dandy for YOU to not offer insurance because you couldn't/wouldn't afford to. But you were absolutely fine hiring these people, fully expecting them to afford healthcare SOMEHOW. This is where the derogatory term you are using - "public tit" - comes in to support irresponsible business owners like you. To support and fill in what YOU would not do. Irresponsible Americans like you.
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Post by happyhoix on Jan 17, 2019 13:06:18 GMT -5
I'm not nearly as cynical as you are. I agree with your assessments of history, we have all seen and studied them in detail - but as an engineer and middle manager in industry for 35 years, I have seen nothing but strong efforts to fix the very problems that you cite. We learned that driving workers to work faster was counterproductive, instead we ask what new equipment can we buy for you that will make your job easier. And changing processes to avoid pollution, and clean existing pollution. You see many SP500 companies that use solar panels - not to save money but to reduce pollution. (solar doesn't actually save much money, but it avoids tapping into a coal-fired power plant). And there is still plenty of work left to do on the pollution front. Why bother to invest in equipment to make worker's jobs easier? Oh yes, to avoid getting OSHA citations for the general duty clause - or having to pay worker's comp when someone gets injured on the job. (Wasn't it nicer back in the robber baron days, before all this worker's comp nonsense, when you just fired the guy who cut off his hand, and brought in a new guy with two hands?) And then there is the big gain companies are hoping to achieve - automate everything so they can get rid of the human element completely. Don't fool yourself into thinking corporations do anything for their workers that doesn't have a legal/regulatory stick behind it.
SP500 companies are getting external pressures to reduce CO2 emissions and explore renewable energy. Anyone who does business with Walmart, for instance, is getting that kind of push. Plus, in the current political environment, companies can sell more products if they can claim to be 'green.' Believe me, there isn't a company who would spend money on energy reduction unless the payback was positive.
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Post by happyhoix on Jan 17, 2019 13:09:29 GMT -5
Hey- I got an idea! Let's waste 25 billion dollars building a wall through the desert to satisfy a boisterous campaign pledge that I made to a bunch of yahoos at rallies! I If we really have the urge to build something, let's rebuild some of the bridges and tunnels that are dangerously close to collapsing. You know - infrastructure that's required to allow the free transit of goods and people around the country.
Seems like that should be a little higher up on the 'list of shit to do' list than making a massive wall, when we already have drug lords who have made tunnels to smuggle drugs and people under the walls we already have.
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Don’t care. Money to Mexico is money to Mexico. Illegals are included as are non illegals. Mexico is the problem that needs solving at the moment. The overstaying the visas is another problem. Certainly not handled correctly either. No one should be allowed in this country without a return ticket and where they are staying. This is how other decent countries handle it. You don’t just waltz in and stay. No one should be allowed in unless they are healthy and have a job waiting or someone to totally support them. This coming in and getting on the public tit is bullshit. Don’t know when it started but needs to be stopped. No. The Mexico "crisis" is manufactured to rile up conservatives. The fact is that net migration from Mexico (or of Mexicans) has been flat or negative for years. The fact is that crime by immigrants is lower than by American citizens. You will recall I am on record many times here saying that every person here illegally should be deported, but this "crisis" has been made up to scare people (who are prone to fear anyway) to vote a certain way. This wall idea will prove to be ineffective and wasteful, and will serve to keep just as many trapped inside as kept outside if it is built. Right now there are people going back too. That is why net migration from Mexico is negative. If anyone in power really cared about getting rid of illegal immigration they would go after the employers. Large monetary fines and criminal charges up to and including prison time for anyone who hires an illegal, applying to both corporate management and the hiring managers making the decisions, would dry up the flow quickly. They will never do that, because too many people benefit. And the ones who benefit...ain't the common folk. For politicians, illegal immigration is far more important as an issue to be kept alive than it is as a problem to be solved. Its ridiculous that this keeps having to be repeated yet no one gets it. I have read this so many times on these boards over the years, yet those who want the wall insist its still the fault of those damn Mexicans. How dense can one be?!?!
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Post by justme on Jan 17, 2019 13:32:22 GMT -5
Trump/ GOP/ Independents I will say this. Just this morning I have read from at least four people on this who are not Democrats (or at least weren't) and who lean socially moderate and fiscally conservative, who have all been so disgusted by Trump & Co. that they are now on the Democratic side, at least for the near future. And that is 4 just this AM! There are more here, and certainly millions more out in the US 0f A. The GOP just took the biggest drubbing in House seat losses since the post Watergate election. The Senate is more competitive next election than it was this one. What is the GOP doing? It is doubling down. In DC the GOP is rallying behind Trump. In Maine our outgoing Governor just said that we had GOP losses in this state this year because of "soft" Republican women. All your fault ladies! The GOP is doubling down on old white male patriarchy, and worse yet for them, on a shiftless con man named Donald Trump. Good luck with that boys. *waves* Hi. Personally, I'm hoping the swaths of people pissed off after the elections in Florida this year will stay pissed off until next year.
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Post by tallguy on Jan 17, 2019 13:40:08 GMT -5
No. The Mexico "crisis" is manufactured to rile up conservatives. The fact is that net migration from Mexico (or of Mexicans) has been flat or negative for years. The fact is that crime by immigrants is lower than by American citizens. You will recall I am on record many times here saying that every person here illegally should be deported, but this "crisis" has been made up to scare people (who are prone to fear anyway) to vote a certain way. This wall idea will prove to be ineffective and wasteful, and will serve to keep just as many trapped inside as kept outside if it is built. Right now there are people going back too. That is why net migration from Mexico is negative. If anyone in power really cared about getting rid of illegal immigration they would go after the employers. Large monetary fines and criminal charges up to and including prison time for anyone who hires an illegal, applying to both corporate management and the hiring managers making the decisions, would dry up the flow quickly. They will never do that, because too many people benefit. And the ones who benefit...ain't the common folk. For politicians, illegal immigration is far more important as an issue to be kept alive than it is as a problem to be solved. Its ridiculous that this keeps having to be repeated yet no one gets it. I have read this so many times on these boards over the years, yet those who want the wall insist its still the fault of those damn Mexicans. How dense can one be?!?!That IS rhetorical, right?
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Post by steff on Jan 17, 2019 14:50:51 GMT -5
Here's a stumper for the followers. What is the purpose/payoff for blocking sanctions against Russian oligarch Oleg Deripaska? Bueller? Bueller? Bueller?
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Post by zibazinski on Jan 17, 2019 15:14:14 GMT -5
Don’t care. Money to Mexico is money to Mexico. Illegals are included as are non illegals. Mexico is the problem that needs solving at the moment. The overstaying the visas is another problem. Certainly not handled correctly either. No one should be allowed in this country without a return ticket and where they are staying. This is how other decent countries handle it. You don’t just waltz in and stay. No one should be allowed in unless they are healthy and have a job waiting or someone to totally support them. This coming in and getting on the public tit is bullshit. Don’t know when it started but needs to be stopped. Says the woman who has owned up here, ON YM, that they offered no health insurance to their employees when they owned the business. So it was fine and dandy for YOU to not offer insurance because you couldn't/wouldn't afford to. But you were absolutely fine hiring these people, fully expecting them to afford healthcare SOMEHOW. This is where the derogatory term you are using - "public tit" - comes in to support irresponsible business owners like you. To support and fill in what YOU would not do. Irresponsible Americans like you. I never said that. I said we couldn’t afford the maternity rider which would have doubled our premium. It’s very expensive to start a business. Within three years we were able to provide better coverage. But that would not be making a pointless point, would it?
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ednkris
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Post by ednkris on Jan 17, 2019 15:21:17 GMT -5
Absolutely not, he told them to make sure there is funding for border security they came back with a stupid number. Anything less than 4 bll then the dems actually own this shutdown weather Trump says differently or not. The Reps have controlled both sides of Congress for the last two years. Why wasn’t this taken care if before now? (I know the answer, but would love to hear yours) PS, the Dems HAVE provided funds for border security. Just not for this wasteful monument to his ego. Other things to do first like abolish aca act....thanks McCain for screwing that up Tax cuts Now it's time for the wall he will get his money
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